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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lad View Post
    The anti semite thing, the not bowing low enough, the "bully" narrative that has recently surfaced, the backlash over Brexit, the mockery whenever he asks a question in PMQs that came from someone who isn't like them, the blatant front page lies about wanting money for being on the privy council. It's nothing short of hysterical madness.
    Yes agree with all of that, apart from the Brexit thing

    But how does that turn around in a few years (or maybe even by next year) so much for Labour to have a chance of winning a general election?

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    About Brexit. This is just my opinion. But he wanted to remain and he was disappointed with the result. He stated his position was to remain and I don't apportion any of the blame to him for what happened, although admittedly that may be because of me own bias. I'm not going to throw figures around to try to convince anyone because with something as abstract as this, you can pull anything from anywhere to support your view. I'm just saying what I believe. I know he has been critical of the EU in the past, but it is deserving of criticism. It doesn't logically follow that he wants the country to leave.

    The backlash he got over Brexit truly dismayed me because I felt he was one of a few treating the electorate with any degree of respect. And he continues to. Some people (not saying you) may want their party leader to join in with the Tory scaremongering about wars and lies about funding the NHS, but I don't.

    As for a GE, a lot can happen between now and then. I do wonder how different things could have been by now if the party had rallied behind him. And if they were able to carry that momentum into a GE, I don't see why they couldn't make a fucking good go of it.

    Instead, this mess.

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    Don't think his heart was really in the Remain campaign, but yes ther criticism was harsh

    Just seen nothing to suggest that Corbyn will be taking a strong/pro-EU stand against the Tories. You see what he says in interviews, on social media, what he's stood for in the past and it's other things, as is his perogative.

    There's plenty of things I agree with corbyn with, and he's been on the right side of history so many times over the years. But for me Europe is the most important issue right now, so for that he's the wrong opposition leader

    Agree things could have been different if the party stood behind him, but they didn't and in the unlikely event they do now then few will think it's genuine. Labour are in a mess now, incredible that Tory support is growing after what they've done, and whilst it's far from all beinf Corbyn's fault, he's a big part of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lad View Post
    The anti semite thing, the not bowing low enough, the "bully" narrative that has recently surfaced, the backlash over Brexit, the mockery whenever he asks a question in PMQs that came from someone who isn't like them, the blatant front page lies about wanting money for being on the privy council. It's nothing short of hysterical madness.

    Imagine if a tory lied about money spent on the nhs? It would all over the news
    Way I hear it, Soze some kind of butcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moe1971 View Post
    Imagine if a tory lied about money spent on the nhs? It would all over the news
    m8...

    They did!


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    Being in a union, I get a vote in the upcoming Labour election and think it's far from clear.

    Vote for Corbyn means an almost certain split in the party with the parliamentary Labour party (PLP) splitting off to form some SDP style centre left grouping.

    Vote for Smith means disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Labour party members who might be the lifeblood of the activist side of the party come an election.

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    Suppose you could argue the party is split in 2 now..ideologically those on the right of the party I'd say are nearer to the liberally or even tories and have virtually no connection with the parties socialist origins.

    But would a split just destroy the party? I think there is a massive chunk of people sisenfranchised with the current system.I just don't think there is enough of them to vote in a left wing gmnt.I'd even argue the country aa a whole is generally very much on the right of the political spectrum and has been for a while.there has only been 1 trully left wing gmnt in the last 60 yrs and they wete only elected after the ravages of a world war.
    Way I hear it, Soze some kind of butcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moe1971 View Post
    Suppose you could argue the party is split in 2 now..ideologically those on the right of the party I'd say are nearer to the liberally or even tories and have virtually no connection with the parties socialist origins.

    But would a split just destroy the party? I think there is a massive chunk of people sisenfranchised with the current system.I just don't think there is enough of them to vote in a left wing gmnt.I'd even argue the country aa a whole is generally very much on the right of the political spectrum and has been for a while.there has only been 1 trully left wing gmnt in the last 60 yrs and they wete only elected after the ravages of a world war.
    Absolutely.

    The baffling and upsetting thing is the likes of Farage and Trump are somehow also able to appeal to those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lad View Post
    Absolutely.

    The baffling and upsetting thing is the likes of Farage and Trump are somehow also able to appeal to those people.
    I don't reckon it's too baffling how they're managing to do it.

    They're demagogues and they're pointing the finger at groups like migrants while simultaneously playing the anti-establishment card.

    Loads of people have been left behind by globalisation and they're looking for someone to blame while lapping up the idea that there's easy answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lad View Post
    Absolutely.

    The baffling and upsetting thing is the likes of Farage and Trump are somehow also able to appeal to those people.
    Think labour took for granted it support big chunks of the north.in towns like oldham.and Rochdale and oldham there are clearly issues surrounding immigration and new labour where completely out of touch with the white working class communities in such towns..

    Hence the support for ukip.
    Way I hear it, Soze some kind of butcher.

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