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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    You can play a "2" without both being Mascherano/Kante/Makelele types. It's just a case of a bit of role-tweaking. Both can't bomb forward simultaneously, at least one thinks "back to shape" when we lose the ball while the front 4 aim to regain it, one is vigilant of the gap between full-back and centre-back (or the hole in front of 2 centre-backs) depending on where an opposition attacker has it, things like this.

    Don't think it's a huge overhaul by any means and we should be capable. We can generally be relied upon to score 2 goals. If a midfield re-adjust and a slight tweak at full-back can mean we tend to concede 0 or 1 goal per game rather than 2, then it has to be worth a shot.

    We need to protect "Zone 14" and concede less crosses/corners (which Ward dealt with pretty well actually). Beyond that we're not too shabby.
    Out of the midfielders we have none are out n out DMs, weve all known that for a while. They all are more attack minded, would be a huge asset to the side to have a midfielder like matic. If we did you could see a better side to Can. He'd have that freedom going forward. Our midfields problem is that their best assets are going forward, nobody is better at protecting the back 4 than assisting the attack but im not convinced Klopp would play that way anyway but then again he definitley wanted to bring in Dahoud last season who is a DM .
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    Quote Originally Posted by teesred View Post
    Out of the midfielders we have none are out n out DMs, weve all known that for a while. They all are more attack minded, would be a huge asset to the side to have a midfielder like matic. If we did you could see a better side to Can. He'd have that freedom going forward. Our midfields problem is that their best assets are going forward, nobody is better at protecting the back 4 than assisting the attack but im not convinced Klopp would play that way anyway but then again he definitley wanted to bring in Dahoud last season who is a DM .
    He probably won't change his ways, he's an attacking coach. Much prefer his way to Allardyce or Pulis, just need decent back line to compliment the forwards. It will be great to see 1 goal being enough to win a game on a regular basis, instead of it being a rarity.
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    Has a Klopp side ever used DM's really though? I'm not familiar with what he did over the years formation wise in Dortmund. But I bet he would rather not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyebo View Post
    He probably won't change his ways, he's an attacking coach. Much prefer his way to Allardyce or Pulis, just need decent back line to compliment the forwards. It will be great to see 1 goal being enough to win a game on a regular basis, instead of it being a rarity.
    Agree. Ive no issue with it either way. If he did play that way it would detract from the flair play we have. At the end of the day he must surely despair at the goals we concede. We dont get ripped apart by quality attacking, we make stupid mistakes and lose concentration. They are things that can be rectified but just dont seem to be so with our defenders. They just need to be a slight bit better for a huge difference to be made.
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    Migs

    Milner Matip Lovren Robertson/Moreno

    Can Wiji

    Salah Firmino(c) Coutinho

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    Sturridge/Mane


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    CCTV, you really have a hard on for Firmino to play in midfield don't you!

    Just somebody who can head a ball would make a difference. What i'd give for a 24 year old Sami right about now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Oh Sid, hilarious thread title.

    All jokes aside, we're experiencing something "anti-Benitez" at present. Rafa ensured we had a great spine, but we never quie reached Nirvana out wide. Klopp has addressed the wide area issue we've had for years, but at times the spine looks fragile.

    The window is closed so we can't fix personnel right now, but there are things we can tweak. One is the set-up.

    I'd love us to go 4-2-3-1 for a bit and try a game or two without Hendo. Can and Wijnaldum as a "2" with (injuries/bans permitting) Coutinho in the pocket, Mane and Salah wide, Firmino up top, with Can and Wiji given "defence first" instructions. I actually liked our full-back balance first half too - Flanagan defends first and probably knows his limitations in attack and that could potentially be the Yin to Moreno/Robertson Yang.

    The main point though is having a "2" - our attacking options are so mobile anyway that they'd always find a pass on.

    I'd bloody love to see it. If we take that hypothetical "6" of Can, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Coutinho and Firmino then bear in mind that Keita replaces one of them next year, plus were to heaven forbid get a genuine DM for it, it looks a real unit. But until personnel (CB, DM, Keita)are available, a protective "2" is what I want us to try.

    Anyone else have any formation tweaks they'd like to see?

    Frustrating night. Oh well, next game.
    Interesting, some great constructive concepts in this....BUT the bit in bold I'm afraid.. well it's far too little and far too late. The pundits will be the last people to be frank about an English player with an impeccable reputation for professionalism inside the game, but IF that masks people ability to see - then I wonder if they are watching at all.

    1. Persisting with Henderson in the squad isn't great - he has little to pass on other than running around a lot.

    2. Persisting with him in the first 11 is a handicap we cannot afford

    3. (my biggest fear) Persisting with him as captain is possibly going to cost Klopp his job

    He offers NOTHING in any dimension off the game, maybe he looks world class at Melwood...maybe that explains his relentless inclusion when fit... but he looks totally out of his depth come matchday. I watched second choice Leicester City players bamboozle him last night - he was chasing down nothing and running nowhere.. When the ball was given to him he treated it like a hot potato.... This is nothing new - I have witnessed this for years.. He simply isn't good enough...and it's embarrassing to have to keep saying it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    CCTV, you really have a hard on for Firmino to play in midfield don't you!

    Just somebody who can head a ball would make a difference. What i'd give for a 24 year old Sami right about now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    CCTV, you really have a hard on for Firmino to play in midfield don't you!

    Just somebody who can head a ball would make a difference. What i'd give for a 24 year old Sami right about now.

    Hopefully not a hard on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    CCTV, you really have a hard on for Firmino to play in midfield don't you!

    Just somebody who can head a ball would make a difference. What i'd give for a 24 year old Sami right about now.
    Think it best suits our team at present. A bank of four and five. Striker up top, the formation Klopp had his best success with at Dortmund.

    Bobby is a good shout for captain imo too, works his arse off - backed up by stats, his tracking back runners whilst a false9/CF is exceptional, usually fit and available for selection, creates and links up play contributes assists. He's a player who leads by example, has the requisite character/quality, and one who players would look to imo.

    Playing Bobby at ten gets him more involved in play and when he releases wide players Salah/Phil/Mane they can break forward with a CF beyond Bobby and him arriving onto the breaking ball.
    Defensively it puts more players in positions to contribute. Bobby dropping in to CM, the wide players assisting the fullbacks defensively and prevents them (fullbacks) joining attacks till later phases of possession.

    A 6-3-1 rather than a 343 type presently with our marauding fullbacks. People say our forwards are class let's put the attacking emphasis on them primarily and sort out the shoddy defense record.

    Klopp has a lot of support, even after the summer transfer window, time has come though to sort out the shambles in defending and game management.
    There simply has to be some kind of rapid response to our current problems by Klopp.

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