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    As per the we don't have DMS opinions/comments - that also holds for a DM in a 433/4123.

    So if we don't have a DM , having played Can & Hendo at DM, why not overcome that deficiency by playing two cm players in a holding role.
    Back four and 2holding mids tasked with sorting out our soft core and responsible to be in position for defending. Cross comes in to the box should be five players minimum in the heart of our defense positionally - allowing for one of our fullbacks being out to pressurise the ball.

    Milner Matip Lovren
    Can Wiji
    All tasked with being in the box centrally to improve our defending.

    Salah Firmino Coutinho dropping back to give us our 45-1.

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    Were we not playing a 442 diamond with Can at the base of the midfield over the last few games of last season? We barely conceded a goal in the last 6-7 games if I recall correctly.

    Id like to see us line up like this at the weekend:

    Mignolet
    Milner Matip Gomez Robertson
    Can
    Wijnaldum Grujic
    Coutinho
    Firmino Salah

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Think it best suits our team at present. A bank of four and five. Striker up top, the formation Klopp had his best success with at Dortmund.

    Bobby is a good shout for captain imo too, works his arse off - backed up by stats, his tracking back runners whilst a false9/CF is exceptional, usually fit and available for selection, creates and links up play contributes assists. He's a player who leads by example, has the requisite character/quality, and one who players would look to imo.

    Playing Bobby at ten gets him more involved in play and when he releases wide players Salah/Phil/Mane they can break forward with a CF beyond Bobby and him arriving onto the breaking ball.
    Defensively it puts more players in positions to contribute. Bobby dropping in to CM, the wide players assisting the fullbacks defensively and prevents them (fullbacks) joining attacks till later phases of possession.

    A 6-3-1 rather than a 343 type presently with our marauding fullbacks. People say our forwards are class let's put the attacking emphasis on them primarily and sort out the shoddy defense record.

    Klopp has a lot of support, even after the summer transfer window, time has come though to sort out the shambles in defending and game management.
    There simply has to be some kind of rapid response to our current problems by Klopp.
    Is this the same as 3 at the back.....i always think if the left or right back isn't great at defending but good going forward......Make them wingbacks....giving them slightly less debenture responsibility. ..but we'd have 5 in defence.

    Wouldn't Milner be more effective in that role than as an out and out left back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    As per the we don't have DMS opinions/comments - that also holds for a DM in a 433/4123.

    So if we don't have a DM , having played Can & Hendo at DM, why not overcome that deficiency by playing two cm players in a holding role.
    Back four and 2holding mids tasked with sorting out our soft core and responsible to be in position for defending. Cross comes in to the box should be five players minimum in the heart of our defense positionally - allowing for one of our fullbacks being out to pressurise the ball.

    Milner Matip Lovren
    Can Wiji
    All tasked with being in the box centrally to improve our defending.

    Salah Firmino Coutinho dropping back to give us our 45-1.
    As for defensive midfielders .....haven't we been talking about getting a dedicated DM since (if I have this right ) Rafa shoe horned Lucas into the role????

    How long ago was that?

    Its just become clear to my abused brain..........no wonder we can't progress....we never buy players to fill the holes or deficiencies in the squad...

    Oh my god. ....its sooo simple...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by shminkyred View Post
    Is this the same as 3 at the back.....i always think if the left or right back isn't great at defending but good going forward......Make them wingbacks....giving them slightly less debenture responsibility. ..but we'd have 5 in defence.

    Wouldn't Milner be more effective in that role than as an out and out left back?
    It's a back 4 with 2 DMS. Given our soft centre I was just showing how we should be set if crosses come in, one fullback out to the crosser/blocking,. CBS shuffle over covering front post and centre with the other left back covering in behind CBS. Two centremid should be in the box central. That would be the base positions.
    With a 3cam tasked with getting back to assist.

    Our fullbacks may be good going forward but have to defend also.
    This back six , tasked with defending primarily, would generally speaking be able to recycle possession easily enough and build play , as teams usually don't press us.
    If they do have a 4/5/6 man press we hoof it upfield and leave our CF and 3cam have a crack. The long ball keeps them honest too.

    In short if we concede there's 6 players who have automatic question marks and the keeper. Then upto the front four to score, with our 3cam having responsibility to get back also when out of possession.

    Imo Coutinho doesn't suit the ten role here.
    Salah Firmino Coutinho
    --------Mane

    Phil'd drop deeper making play than Salah.
    Bobby and Mane could swap about , two 9.5s .
    But Bobby ten and Mane as our CF would be best imo.

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    Can't help but feel a good DM would have been on Jonjo like a flash but hey ho.

    Is what it is.
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    Not so sure Sid, he was quite deep. Good ball but just terrible defending particularly by Matip.

    One lucky goal like that should not be costing us two points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Can't help but feel a good DM would have been on Jonjo like a flash but hey ho.

    Is what it is.
    Missed the game with work and not seen the build up play to the goal. But seen plenty of comments about it which ye might comment on , which I think ties back into the 4231 setup.

    First comment I seen, was Gini should've been on Shelvey. Hendo being the DM in 433, arguably should have been further back in defense.

    Moreno up the pitch, kept Lovren out to their right hand side threat. While Matip sprinted back Dejan didn't raise an arm in what is supposedly an offside goal?, which when we play a high offside line we should be raising our hand for the call and sprinting back.

    All in all, these comments would tie in with the arguments for a 4231. ??

    We're 1-0 up, turnover a ball poorly by Sturridge. Shelvey their creative player puts in a good pass. Our left back/fullbacks? Missing meaning our LCB is left hanging, our DM is pressing the ball and not shielding or filling in for the centrebacks, our no8s aren't onto their passer.

    The 4231 fix. Our fullbacks stay back more so and don't have men in behind.
    Our 2dm/dlp/cm cover the centrebacks. That's our defensive 6 to shore up our centre and ridiculous chances conceded.
    Our front 3 behinds the CF are on disrupting fullbacks and midfielders, while our sole striker occupies two centrebacks.
    We seemingly have super pacey wide players so being a touch deeper in midfield shouldn't be a problem.

    Dropping points trying to ko the opponent !!


    Migs
    Gomez Matip Lovren Moreno
    Hendo Wiji
    Salah Mane Coutinho/Salah Coutinho Mane - element of interchange between these 3.
    Sturridge

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