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  1. #91
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    Ryan Sessegnon is an option as Fulham are going down and he only has 12 months on his contract.....As long as the price is around £20m and nothing stupid like £40-50m, he also has alot of experience for an 18 year old.

    He won't get in over Robertson for sure but with abit of coaching he could get the odd game at LB and also can play in an advanced position as well.

  2. #92
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    If moving Trent into midfield is a serious option then we should be looking at Wan-Bissaka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dicko1969 View Post
    Centre Back

    Ferro signed a new deal with Benfica at the beginning of March and the club inserted a €100m (£85m) release clause in the defender’s contract.

    The youngster is now tied to Benfica until the summer of 2023.

    Liverpool interest
    No De Ligt, no party!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Sounds like a sustainable model..
    18/19 income figures.

    Group Stage - £13.34m (£2.36m p/win, £787k p/draw)
    Last 16 - £8.31m
    Quarter-Finals - £9.19m
    Semi-Finals - £10.5m
    Runners Up - £13.12m
    Winners - £16.62m

    Our 17/18 campaign there was a little less money - we took in £44.5m for our run to the final, which, had we had this season's financial set-up, would have been £63.9m.

    We obviously can't guarantee going far each season, but we can see trends in the Champion's League of spells of sides keeping a pretty consistent level over periods of 3-5 years, or indeed more. You only need to look at the last few years to see that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid have been consistently up there - and if you can become/remain such a side, then you can advance your growth in Europe (and domestically) which feed into each other due to the financially-driven aspect of the modern game.

    We've been "victims" so-to-speak of the modern game's set-up when we were frozen out of the Top 4 and other sides were able to get further and further ahead - the tables may now be slightly turned.

    Not to mention that the 2-legged nature of Champion's League ties seems to suit us very well - partly because we haven't yet lost a 2-legged European tie under Klopp (so our footballing "philosophy" suits the competition) and partly because of Anfield.

    As our seeding gets better (oh yes, the UEFA co-efficient) due to these good performances, our chances of ending up in a "Group of Death" like this season get reduced, as we should end up in Pot 2 or indeed Pot 1, which, whilst not ensuring knock-out stage football on a guaranteed basis, certainly increases our chances of it a lot.

    So whilst it would be wrong for us (or Klopp) to place all our eggs in the Champion's League basket, the benefits of doing well are clear to see - which is probably what the boss was getting at.

    If we end up taking in finances in the £40-£60m range from Europe alone this season, it gives us a huge boost in terms of contract extensions for higher-wage players, wages for new players and indeed transfer fees, especially given how good our recruitment is - we're not trying to buy a £100m player for each position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    No De Ligt, no party!
    I hope to Fowler that there's no chance of this happening. We'd be spending more on a back-up to Joe Gomez than we did to bring in Virgil Van Dijk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    18/19 income figures.

    Group Stage - £13.34m (£2.36m p/win, £787k p/draw)
    Last 16 - £8.31m
    Quarter-Finals - £9.19m
    Semi-Finals - £10.5m
    Runners Up - £13.12m
    Winners - £16.62m

    Our 17/18 campaign there was a little less money - we took in £44.5m for our run to the final, which, had we had this season's financial set-up, would have been £63.9m.

    We obviously can't guarantee going far each season, but we can see trends in the Champion's League of spells of sides keeping a pretty consistent level over periods of 3-5 years, or indeed more. You only need to look at the last few years to see that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid have been consistently up there - and if you can become/remain such a side, then you can advance your growth in Europe (and domestically) which feed into each other due to the financially-driven aspect of the modern game.

    We've been "victims" so-to-speak of the modern game's set-up when we were frozen out of the Top 4 and other sides were able to get further and further ahead - the tables may now be slightly turned.

    Not to mention that the 2-legged nature of Champion's League ties seems to suit us very well - partly because we haven't yet lost a 2-legged European tie under Klopp (so our footballing "philosophy" suits the competition) and partly because of Anfield.

    As our seeding gets better (oh yes, the UEFA co-efficient) due to these good performances, our chances of ending up in a "Group of Death" like this season get reduced, as we should end up in Pot 2 or indeed Pot 1, which, whilst not ensuring knock-out stage football on a guaranteed basis, certainly increases our chances of it a lot.

    So whilst it would be wrong for us (or Klopp) to place all our eggs in the Champion's League basket, the benefits of doing well are clear to see - which is probably what the boss was getting at.

    If we end up taking in finances in the £40-£60m range from Europe alone this season, it gives us a huge boost in terms of contract extensions for higher-wage players, wages for new players and indeed transfer fees, especially given how good our recruitment is - we're not trying to buy a £100m player for each position.
    Interesting but I believe you have highlighted the short term nature of this flawed, unsustainable model. The more we explore it the more dependent on Jurgen Klopp's ability to over achieve ( punch above our weight ) - it becomes. It also highlights the fact that real..genuine success..winning titles and trophies is largely incidental to the club - just a bonus... and that is 100% wrong and goes against everything Shankly put in place..

    I understand the "modern game" ( people love that phrase - as though it's a different sport ... lol ) has changed but it's all starting to sound like a business rather than a football club..

    We need to start winning things... ! not for Klopp to keep his job - he deserves that and some - best thing that has happened to us in an age...but we need it as a club....
    Last edited by Steveo; 19th March 2019 at 10:14 AM.

  7. #97
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    Didn't Klopp say a few days ago that he doesn't think we need major reinforcements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    18/19 income figures.

    Group Stage - £13.34m (£2.36m p/win, £787k p/draw)
    Last 16 - £8.31m
    Quarter-Finals - £9.19m
    Semi-Finals - £10.5m
    Runners Up - £13.12m
    Winners - £16.62m

    Our 17/18 campaign there was a little less money - we took in £44.5m for our run to the final, which, had we had this season's financial set-up, would have been £63.9m.

    We obviously can't guarantee going far each season, but we can see trends in the Champion's League of spells of sides keeping a pretty consistent level over periods of 3-5 years, or indeed more. You only need to look at the last few years to see that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid have been consistently up there - and if you can become/remain such a side, then you can advance your growth in Europe (and domestically) which feed into each other due to the financially-driven aspect of the modern game.

    We've been "victims" so-to-speak of the modern game's set-up when we were frozen out of the Top 4 and other sides were able to get further and further ahead - the tables may now be slightly turned.

    Not to mention that the 2-legged nature of Champion's League ties seems to suit us very well - partly because we haven't yet lost a 2-legged European tie under Klopp (so our footballing "philosophy" suits the competition) and partly because of Anfield.

    As our seeding gets better (oh yes, the UEFA co-efficient) due to these good performances, our chances of ending up in a "Group of Death" like this season get reduced, as we should end up in Pot 2 or indeed Pot 1, which, whilst not ensuring knock-out stage football on a guaranteed basis, certainly increases our chances of it a lot.

    So whilst it would be wrong for us (or Klopp) to place all our eggs in the Champion's League basket, the benefits of doing well are clear to see - which is probably what the boss was getting at.

    If we end up taking in finances in the £40-£60m range from Europe alone this season, it gives us a huge boost in terms of contract extensions for higher-wage players, wages for new players and indeed transfer fees, especially given how good our recruitment is - we're not trying to buy a £100m player for each position.
    You sure that's the total cl money, my hunch is its bigger. With prize money listed separately to TV 'money' ?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/champions-league-final-money-liverpool-14682101.amp

    Last year
    "If Liverpool beat Real Madrid, they will end up with 82.7m euros (£72.3m). Lose, and they'll be awarded 78.2m euros (£68.4m)."

    Think that's prize money & TV money share. Pretty sure we keep alot of the matchday ticket money on top of that too, which had been possibly omitted in the above figures as we collect it ourselves.

    Last year "Under current Champions League rules, clubs are given prize money dependent on their results in the group stage, how far they progress in the competition along with their share of what is called the market pool, which is split according to the proportional value of each television market...

    Liverpool earned 2m euros for getting through their qualifying play-off against Hoffenheim plus 12.7m euros for appearing in the group stage, where their record of three wins and three draws earned them 6.4m euros....

    Appearing in the first knockout round was worth a further 6m euros, the quarter-finals 6.5m euros and the semi-finals 7.5m euros.

    Winning the competition earns 15.5m euros, while the runners-up are handed 11m euros.

    The market pool, meanwhile, will have earned the Reds 26.1m euros.

    This figure is some way short of the market pool share of Chelsea, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur, as all three finished above Liverpool in the previous season's Premier League table.

    The market pool share is split into two halves. The first sees the Premier League champions take home roughly 40% of the share, second place 30%, third 20% and fourth 10%. The second is based on number of games played in the Champions League that season.

    With Liverpool finishing fourth this season, it's a shortfall they'll again encounter next campaign.

    For comparison, in this season's Champions League Chelsea have earned a total of £55.5m, Manchester City £53.8m, Tottenham Hotspur £51.9m and Manchester United £33.6m.

    United's total is significantly lower due to them having qualified for the competition by winning the Europa League last season."

    ^^^its bloody complicated
    Those figures at the end for other pl clubs seem wrong !! Must be prize money and their TV money ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo1988 View Post
    Didn't Klopp say a few days ago that he doesn't think we need major reinforcements?
    Something like that and I think he's right. Apart from possibly an attacking midfielder our first XI is set. Just need adequate competition/backup for Firmino, Robertson and possibly Alexander Arnold if Clyne goes and the squad will be nearing completion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo1988 View Post
    Didn't Klopp say a few days ago that he doesn't think we need major reinforcements?
    Has he ever said that during his lfc tenure ? That we need major reinforcements.

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