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Thread: Coronavirus and the impact on football

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post

    Socialism works - but Capitalism is determined to stop it functioning for obvious reasons.
    You could easily turn that little polemic around on itself. All depends on your view.

    Tito's model was essentially fascist 'everything within the state', as Mussolini defined it. Businesses exist seemingly freely, but everyone does what the dictator tells them to do.

    Not for me thanks.

    I have Russian friends by the way, and the elderly family members remember fondly the old days too. They think Stalin created a nice. safe country where the working class were looked after. You always hear this kind of thing from former communist states. I can see why - even North Korea has a certain comforting, simple appeal to it when viewed from the more competitive parts of the world.

    To blame capitalism for the downfall of communism is such a biased way of looking at it. I have a friend from East Berlin who describes walking into supermarkets after the wall fell and it is such a sad description of the poverty they experienced. He'd never seen yoghurts or bananas. They were dying for freedom.

    And that's it - freedom. The thing the socialist is always willing to sacrifice in response to the difficulty of inequality.

    Again, inequality is essential to life - that's why we love football so much. Imagine chanting for your player who you viewed as equal to all the other ones. The joylessness is the fruit of the philosophy.
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    You may have friends but I went to the Eastern Bloc (have relatives in Prague) and I was many many times in Yugoslavia.. I even visited Russia in 1990... The entire Eastern bloc was bleak IMO. Shops with nothing in and the social outlook was very very different from that in Yugoslavia. You can not compare them.

    Also - you can’t begin to compare Tito’s Yugoslavia with Stalinist Russia - they were so completely different - literally opposite in most ways.

    In Yugoslavia you had a superb life as long as you didn’t overtly speak out against the state. And I would agree - as someone not used to that restriction - I too would find that a hard thing to take. Yugoslavia was by no means perfect ( take a look at Britain in the 1980’s) - but it was a shining example of how well Socialism can work. The fact that Tito - a demigod like figure and heroic wartime leader who was loved by half the planet was stuck in a slight time warp is often disregarded.

    If you can’t see how the US and collective forces of global Capitalism destroyed the Soviet Union and then belatedly Yugoslavia - I would suggest a history lesson.

    There is NO moral justification for the acceptance of inequality. It cannot be related to sports either. We are talking about systems of governance. Capitalism is simply the rule of the market and that is the law of the Jungle. You might prefer it but there is no way you can justify it.
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    Well be heading back to socialism in the not too distant future when ai and automation decimate jobs. This covid 19 is a nice little test run for it.

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    The NHS is Socialism in action. IMO the
    greatest legacy ever left by a political party in Britain.. It has been relentlessly watered down by successive Conservative and Neo Liberal ( New Labour ) governments but is Still a wonderful example of Social responsibility.

    IF Coronavirus FINALLY wakes the nation up enough - it might just safeguard it.

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    The ideal solution would be a compromise between capitalism and socialism.
    It's going to be interesting to see what happens if/when we get out of this pandemic. Many countries/nations are going to be struggling financially, and there will have to be radical solutions to start to turn things around. The UK 's national debt is already astronomical before covid-19 came into the equation.
    It sounds awful I know, but this pandemic could be the making of the planet if the politicians approach it in the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post

    There is NO moral justification for the acceptance of inequality. It cannot be related to sports either. We are talking about systems of governance. Capitalism is simply the rule of the market and that is the law of the Jungle. You might prefer it but there is no way you can justify it.
    Of course there is. People have unequal abilities and talents, they do unequal amount of work, they contribute unequal amounts to society. We admire people who apply themselves to achieving the absolute best, who are gifted with talents we don't have and who sacrifice their own self gain for the community. If you don't accept inequality, like for example between your children, you are going to damage them and there is no moral justification for that.

    Equality before the law is different and a moment of English genius, 800 years old now. That idea has created probably the most stable and free society in the world. The idea of equality of outcome has a long history of misery and destruction to its name. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teesred View Post
    Capitalism will never die though will it?
    Our world,society,media, everything is driven by it. A worldwide pandemic where post conditions are that everyone's economic and moral compass resets and we start appreciating what we should in life.
    But that wont happen. The likelihood is it'll will be worse than previous. It won't take long for people to forget this once life returns to normal and we are comfortable again.
    Socialism is a great idea but it will never work long term, the lord of the flies is human nature in a nutshell from its birth. Greed and hunger for power ensure that it socialism isnt a long term solution, it should be but it wont be.
    As a species we deserve this pandemic, we are the worst on earth. The only saving grace is that is seems to spare innocence (children) and maybe that's divine intervention because god knows what would be happe6in the world if it was taking them too.
    We've destroyed a wonderful planet, killed off countless animals,plants etc, continue to let children live in poverty, abuse them,hurt them and we wont stop after this. No matter what.
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    Agree with that tees but think there is a chance... Always a chance
    The difference most people seem to overlook is that we never had socialism in the UK, we had socialism and capitalism running in tandem, in balance prior to the Tory and Blair extreme US style capitalism

    Also, we're not through with this virus yet, virus' can mutate and become more aggressive, we do and don't deserve it, there is a minority from both capitalist and socialist governments that absolutely do deserve it, there are a majority in many nations who continually vote for the continuation of a system that has devastating consequences for the planet and the most vulnerable in society, that breeds crime, violent crime, drug and other addictions, mental illness, 'dead where they don't count' politics who also absolutely do deserve it - If it could mutate and just take all those people, even if it was 80% of the world's population and save the planet and give mankind the opportunity to start again with only the decent people left, controversial I know, but maybe it wouldn't be such a bad things, the human race is a disgrace
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    There are reports that Serie A will be ruled null and void later today

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddownunder View Post
    There are reports that Serie A will be ruled null and void later today
    If that happens I would be amazed if it didn’t become Europe wide.

    Prepare yourselves for what is looking inevitable

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    I'm resigned to it being voided now. Might not even see football restart for next season before Christmas.

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