Coronavirus and the impact on football

[dicko1969]

My friend is a doctor working in Harlow hospital and they currently have zero Covid inpatients. The same story exists mostly everywhere and has done more or less since a couple of weeks after the completely classic epidemiological disease curve drew to a close many weeks ago.

Remember this lockdown, itself a prison term, was initiated in order to 'flatten the curve' and protect the NHS, which they wrongly thought was going to be overrun. In the end, they shut down the massive Nightingale field hospitals for lack of patients. Eliminating the disease was never an objective back then - this new obsession has slipped into the fray unnoticed.

There is no evidence that the lockdown made one bit of difference to the spread of the disease. The tragic abuse of nursing home residents may have increased the death rate in that setting but the curve was otherwise unflattened and looks no different in almost any global location to that of Sweden and other countries that didn't ruin their economy and take away the basic human rights of their citizens in the name of safety.

Sid, the hotspots are to do with cases, not deaths. The increase in cases is related to increases in testing. The coronavirus is doing what all coronaviruses do during summer - circulating through the population doing very little damage. We have become obsessed with it and no one seems able to keep it in perspective. I've just heard a spokesperson for the teachers union on radio outlining why she thinks they're right to keep the schools closed. In any other time in history she would be seen as insane but this is the new normal apparently.

It is more or less completely safe to go about normal life now and the crazy measures we are still bogged down with are not making any difference anyway.

What is your take on the Brazil situation?

[Taksin]

What is your take on the Brazil situation?

I haven't followed it closely. They are Southern Hemisphere, so their coronavirus season has just ended (late winter/early spring). Their death rate is within normal range - probably well below New York, which I believe was the worst.

Other than that, there are local factors that alter death rates. Pollution, favelas, nursing home conditions, obesity. In Lombardy we had a bad, antibiotic resistant pneumonia season just before Covid-19 hit. Plus they had a terrible panic over there which studies showed increased the death rate considerably.

If Brazil is said to be 'out of control' it's probably 'cases' not deaths. And cases have come to be the red herring used by the media to keep the anxiety going.

[stevie harkness]

I know a doctor in this country who reckons the reason Central African countries have got off lightly is that they're all popping anti malaria pills.

[Taksin]

I know a doctor in this country who reckons the reason Central African countries have got off lightly is that they're all popping anti malaria pills.

That's Hydroxychloroquine. The thing everyone was taking the piss out of Trump for. Turns out he was right, even though he was only relaying what a doctor had told him. The research on hydroxychloroquine shows that it is a preventative. So one pill a month seems to be enough to save the life of vulnerable and elderly people - it has a slow half life. It's not a conspiracy, its scientifically proven. The conspiracy surrounds the reasons why this information is not being circulated. If someone has proof of otherwise, they are not letting it be known.

One pill costs 40 cents

[Taksin]

By the way;

Malaria kills one child every 30 seconds, about 3000 children every day. Over one million people die from malaria each year, mostly children under five years of age, with 90 per cent of malaria cases occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa. An estimated 300-600 million people suffer from malaria each year.

[dicko1969]

I haven't followed it closely. They are Southern Hemisphere, so their coronavirus season has just ended (late winter/early spring). Their death rate is within normal range - probably well below New York, which I believe was the worst.

Other than that, there are local factors that alter death rates. Pollution, favelas, nursing home conditions, obesity. In Lombardy we had a bad, antibiotic resistant pneumonia season just before Covid-19 hit. Plus they had a terrible panic over there which studies showed increased the death rate considerably.

If Brazil is said to be 'out of control' it's probably 'cases' not deaths. And cases have come to be the red herring used by the media to keep the anxiety going.

1000 deaths a day for 3 months now.

[justincredible]

1000 deaths a day for 3 months now.

That's wouldn't even make a good war.

Scamdemic....

[Taksin]

1000 deaths a day for 3 months now.

I will look into it. Remember that Brazil is a large country geographically, on the scale of Europe or the USA. The movement across that landmass takes time. So they could be having infections in Rio one month and Sao Paolo another month, like with Madrid and London. There are many problems with proper reporting, especially when it becomes weaponised politically, as it has been in the US. Bolsonario or whatever his name is is pilloried as an idiot like Trump, which makes me suspicious of reporting from the off.

There are also local conditions that need to be identified, which can make things very different. Like the difference between Italy and Switzerland, between Lombardy and Sicily or between China and Vietnam, where they've had zero deaths.

[CCTV]

That's Hydroxychloroquine. The thing everyone was taking the piss out of Trump for. Turns out he was right, even though he was only relaying what a doctor had told him. The research on hydroxychloroquine shows that it is a preventative. So one pill a month seems to be enough to save the life of vulnerable and elderly people - it has a slow half life. It's not a conspiracy, its scientifically proven. The conspiracy surrounds the reasons why this information is not being circulated. If someone has proof of otherwise, they are not letting it be known.

One pill costs 40 cents

The info on hcq seems to be based on some stellar statistical research in the lancet that showed hcqman bad.
Later retracted as fabricated research which brought an end to hcq research and in favour of other potential treatment$.

Later hcq trials would recommence after surgisphere was outed as fabricated.

There was the uk and who trials, recovery, remap and solidarity.
All 3 trials have been critiqued for using a veryhigh-toxic dosage of hcq. When positive result have been found with lower/non-toxic doses and in conjunction with other treatments.
They also seem to have used it at later stages than those who had success using it early.

Hcq administeted early and at low/non-toxic doses seems to produce results.
Hcq administered later, when on a ventillator and in doses that reach the toxic/lethal dose = bad results.

Remdesivir costs thousands per patient, Gilead have a bit of history as an extortion racket.
Gilead and astrazeneca (vaccine) mooted by several major outlets around june 7/8 2020 as having a potential merger in the near future.

[redebreck]

The info on hcq seems to be based on some stellar statistical research in the lancet that showed hcqman bad.
Later retracted as fabricated research which brought an end to hcq research and in favour of other potential treatment$.

Later hcq trials would recommence after surgisphere was outed as fabricated.

There was the uk and who trials, recovery, remap and solidarity.
All 3 trials have been critiqued for using a veryhigh-toxic dosage of hcq. When positive result have been found with lower/non-toxic doses and in conjunction with other treatments.
They also seem to have used it at later stages than those who had success using it early.

Hcq administeted early and at low/non-toxic doses seems to produce results.
Hcq administered later, when on a ventillator and in doses that reach the toxic/lethal dose = bad results.

Remdesivir costs thousands per patient, Gilead have a bit of history as an extortion racket.
Gilead and astrazeneca (vaccine) mooted by several major outlets around june 7/8 2020 as having a potential merger in the near future.

Sounds like it might be coming down to Money again. What a fecking surprise.
Just as a matter of interest, a very close friend of ours has only recently been released from hospital after contracting the virus in March. Spent months in intensive care on a ventilator. Doctors at one stage gave him a 20% chance of survival. He's in his late 50s but very fit, hardly missed a day off work for decades, cycles every day.
Anyone says there's nothing to this virus is talking out of their arse.