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Thread: Coronavirus and the impact on football

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    Watch as Sweden remains unmoved and unchanged by this supposed crisis.

    Again, I've seen no one explain (or enquire) whether increased testing has caused increased cases. There still appears to be no increase in deaths or even disease. Are these tests picking up the same coronavirus as the one that caused damage in March/April or has it mutated into something more or less dangerous. Is theoretical risk enough to destroy the country now or are we big and brave enough to accept that the vast majority of people are completely safe from this virus, especially with the added herd immunity acquired this year?

    As winter approaches, what is the aim of these policies? Will we fail to operate as a society unless the virus is by some impossible dream eradicated or are we concerned about over-loading the NHS. When other flu strains arrive in early winter and cause large numbers of deaths, as they do every year, do we transfer this fantasy of preventing all illness and death onto them and wait until they have been eradicated?

    Is anyone measuring the wider damage these policies are doing and will the population, who have embraced these restrictions in a terrified manner, put pressure on the politicians to adopt a sensible approach that recognises the limits of our powers to control nature?

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    At least they're allowing a few thousand spectators at Doncaster races today

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie harkness View Post
    At least they're allowing a few thousand spectators at Doncaster races today
    Doncaster Racecourse has been told by local health officials to stop spectators attending its St Leger meeting after Wednesday's opening day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    Watch as Sweden remains unmoved and unchanged by this supposed crisis.

    Again, I've seen no one explain (or enquire) whether increased testing has caused increased cases. There still appears to be no increase in deaths or even disease. Are these tests picking up the same coronavirus as the one that caused damage in March/April or has it mutated into something more or less dangerous. Is theoretical risk enough to destroy the country now or are we big and brave enough to accept that the vast majority of people are completely safe from this virus, especially with the added herd immunity acquired this year?

    As winter approaches, what is the aim of these policies? Will we fail to operate as a society unless the virus is by some impossible dream eradicated or are we concerned about over-loading the NHS. When other flu strains arrive in early winter and cause large numbers of deaths, as they do every year, do we transfer this fantasy of preventing all illness and death onto them and wait until they have been eradicated?

    Is anyone measuring the wider damage these policies are doing and will the population, who have embraced these restrictions in a terrified manner, put pressure on the politicians to adopt a sensible approach that recognises the limits of our powers to control nature?
    I did see at least one person on TV - it may have been who ambassador to uk - saying that increased uk testing testing has shown a disproportionate increase in positive testing and that if virus has mutated that mutation is marginal, it is essentially the same virus.
    Can expect the increase in infections to convert to more serious cases in next few weeks and current spikes are not related to opening of schools or return to college. These will add further cases in due course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGS View Post
    With these pricks in charge we are making the correct decision not to spend.

    Is anyone confident we will finish the season ???

    Its got to the stage where I dont care about the season like most people im more worried about friends/family keeping their jobs.
    Not confident, and also worry about the number of footballers testing positive - can see this causing problems such as games being postponed and maybe even season being postponed

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientificred View Post
    Not confident, and also worry about the number of footballers testing positive - can see this causing problems such as games being postponed and maybe even season being postponed
    I think they'll be much safer now they're back here from the holidays

    and will take it more serious for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev0909 View Post
    I think they'll be much safer now they're back here from the holidays

    and will take it more serious for that reason.
    Take it more serious - like Greenwood and Sancho, and MBappe? probably many more that could be mentioned indulging in private parties.
    Perhaps they feel (falsely secure) protected by regular testing but it does not seem to be working.
    I think these super rich youngsters will find it hard to comply with what is being asked of them over the coming year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    Watch as Sweden remains unmoved and unchanged by this supposed crisis.

    Again, I've seen no one explain (or enquire) whether increased testing has caused increased cases. There still appears to be no increase in deaths or even disease. Are these tests picking up the same coronavirus as the one that caused damage in March/April or has it mutated into something more or less dangerous. Is theoretical risk enough to destroy the country now or are we big and brave enough to accept that the vast majority of people are completely safe from this virus, especially with the added herd immunity acquired this year?

    As winter approaches, what is the aim of these policies? Will we fail to operate as a society unless the virus is by some impossible dream eradicated or are we concerned about over-loading the NHS. When other flu strains arrive in early winter and cause large numbers of deaths, as they do every year, do we transfer this fantasy of preventing all illness and death onto them and wait until they have been eradicated?

    Is anyone measuring the wider damage these policies are doing and will the population, who have embraced these restrictions in a terrified manner, put pressure on the politicians to adopt a sensible approach that recognises the limits of our powers to control nature?
    Governments are acting independently. There is no joined up thinking.
    Perhaps Sweden model is working there but it has a different demographic to UK.
    There is no way UK government with BJ and his Boys is going to suddenly say OK let us follow Sweden model.
    UK government is government by committee plus Dominic Cummings and do not appear to like being questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientificred View Post
    I did see at least one person on TV - it may have been who ambassador to uk - saying that increased uk testing testing has shown a disproportionate increase in positive testing and that if virus has mutated that mutation is marginal, it is essentially the same virus.
    Can expect the increase in infections to convert to more serious cases in next few weeks and current spikes are not related to opening of schools or return to college. These will add further cases in due course.
    So they say.. just like they made statements about the Ro number as if they could follow that - another scientist pointed out it was essentially guesswork.

    Also, if the measures to 'control the virus' or 'flatten the curve' had the desired effect, why was the curve for UK Covid deaths completely classic in shape - in fact, when it was overlayed on the excess deaths graphs for the 98 and 99 seasons and was not only exactly the same shape but also exactly the same size (the only difference being the Covid graph is a couple of months later than normal flu season)? In other words, is there the slightest bit of evidence that the mad steps we have taken and continue to take make the blindest bit of difference?

    There are two reasons why I am confident we will not see the same proportion of serious disease that you predict from the current cases;

    1) at the end of summer, most people have increased vitamins D and C, which are known to inhibit the virus
    (although many poor souls who have obeyed the lockdown will be deprived of this)

    2) we almost certainly have considerable herd immunity after this year, especially as our lockdown made things no better here than it was in Sweden in terms of the disease spread.

    Even if we do see more serious disease, which is likely in winter, blaming that on footballers having parties is presumptuous as it seems the disease makes its own progress regardless - In New York, where Cuomo was praised for his strict lockdown measures, he himself was shocked to find that 60% of hospital admissions were from people observing strict lockdown at home. You seem to want to believe that the spread is the result of some kind of moral deficit (and if you don't many do), but I think you have given in to propaganda on this issue.

    Limiting gatherings to 6 is an arbitrary decision, probably nonsensical (given human contact elsewhere), and spiteful to a population weary and terrified. We need to regain confidence in society, not be scared of it. In the winter of 99/2000, the millennium celebrations were right in the middle of an epidemic that killed the same number of people as died this winter. That was a much better year than this one because government and certain scientists didn't think they had God-like power, and people didn't indulge the fantasy that life could be free from its tragic undercurrent of illness and death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    So they say.. just like they made statements about the Ro number as if they could follow that - another scientist pointed out it was essentially guesswork.

    Also, if the measures to 'control the virus' or 'flatten the curve' had the desired effect, why was the curve for UK Covid deaths completely classic in shape - in fact, when it was overlayed on the excess deaths graphs for the 98 and 99 seasons and was not only exactly the same shape but also exactly the same size (the only difference being the Covid graph is a couple of months later than normal flu season)? In other words, is there the slightest bit of evidence that the mad steps we have taken and continue to take make the blindest bit of difference?

    There are two reasons why I am confident we will not see the same proportion of serious disease that you predict from the current cases;

    1) at the end of summer, most people have increased vitamins D and C, which are known to inhibit the virus
    (although many poor souls who have obeyed the lockdown will be deprived of this)

    2) we almost certainly have considerable herd immunity after this year, especially as our lockdown made things no better here than it was in Sweden in terms of the disease spread.

    Even if we do see more serious disease, which is likely in winter, blaming that on footballers having parties is presumptuous as it seems the disease makes its own progress regardless - In New York, where Cuomo was praised for his strict lockdown measures, he himself was shocked to find that 60% of hospital admissions were from people observing strict lockdown at home. You seem to want to believe that the spread is the result of some kind of moral deficit (and if you don't many do), but I think you have given in to propaganda on this issue.

    Limiting gatherings to 6 is an arbitrary decision, probably nonsensical (given human contact elsewhere), and spiteful to a population weary and terrified. We need to regain confidence in society, not be scared of it. In the winter of 99/2000, the millennium celebrations were right in the middle of an epidemic that killed the same number of people as died this winter. That was a much better year than this one because government and certain scientists didn't think they had God-like power, and people didn't indulge the fantasy that life could be free from its tragic undercurrent of illness and death.
    I am not blaming footballers for the increase in spread of this virus generally but rather the effect this partying behaviour may have on the likelihood of our season continuing unabated.

    Further I am not predicting anything I just think we need to wait and see.
    You keep comparing this virus to previous ones but it is new.
    Well done if you are right.
    Enjoy your graphs.
    Hopefully none of your friends or family die and are just recorded as a seasonal statistic.

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