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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    From what I'm seeing on twitter the major issue is that they consciously presented false data to UEFA, not their FFP breaches.

    On FFP - it's difficult to say, I agree. The way I understood it was that it was meant to guarantee the financial health of clubs. The side effect of that was that they could no longer be used as richmen's playthings. Could be wrong though. And whether the officially stated mission is the one they had in mind is different matter entirely.
    Cheers Bali. I'm trusting you to be on top of this and putting it nice and simply on layman's terms for the likes of me !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlfc View Post
    Cheers Bali. I'm trusting you to be on top of this and putting it nice and simply on layman's terms for the likes of me !!
    I wouldn't trust me with a fork, but ok. Though tbf <insert joke about current political climate in the UK here>.
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    Ha man city fans are all up ins arms about uefa and protesting in there game v madrid

    then again half of them are clueless and probably only been into football/started supporting them when the arabs took over, if not more than half.

    Utter morons, they should be happy they won the league last season the corrupt fucks

    what a rotten plastic club, bit like chelsea was too at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post

    On FFP - it's difficult to say, I agree. The way I understood it was that it was meant to guarantee the financial health of clubs. The side effect of that was that they could no longer be used as richmen's playthings. Could be wrong though. And whether the officially stated mission is the one they had in mind is different matter entirely.
    Unintended consequences. It’s possible but doesn’t make sense to me - the clue is in the name. Fair Play. It’s not Financial prudence or safety. There is a balancing of the books but it’s there to stop big spenders distorting the market.

    The market value of players is therefore supposed to reflect the distribution of earnings within football, not the influx of money from outside football.

    The irony is there were a lot of calls on here for FSG to ‘spend their own money’ in order to catch up with City. Klopp explained at some point that they had to balance the books and couldn’t pull money out of thin air. It’s hard to know what is true and it’s harder to trust that Man City we’re balancing their books.

    If they lied, presumably it’s because they were hiding the fact that they brought in unearned money. If so, there must be a rule about the fairness of their earnings. Again, we all know they inflate their sponsorship deal, which basically comes from themselves - ie Dubai- but I’m not sure what the rules are about that. Do they have to demonstrate what market value is?

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    Any club should be allowed spend what the richest club in the division spent the previous year or something to that affect. Has to be some leveller for it to be fair competition.

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    Might have been mentioned before.....but does this mean that the EPL has to punish them as well?

    What about a 2 point deduction for last season to start with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    Unintended consequences. It’s possible but doesn’t make sense to me - the clue is in the name. Fair Play. It’s not Financial prudence or safety. There is a balancing of the books but it’s there to stop big spenders distorting the market.
    I don't think it was necessarily unintended, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't marketed as the mission statement of the whole endeavour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    The market value of players is therefore supposed to reflect the distribution of earnings within football, not the influx of money from outside football.

    The irony is there were a lot of calls on here for FSG to ‘spend their own money’ in order to catch up with City. Klopp explained at some point that they had to balance the books and couldn’t pull money out of thin air. It’s hard to know what is true and it’s harder to trust that Man City we’re balancing their books.

    If they lied, presumably it’s because they were hiding the fact that they brought in unearned money. If so, there must be a rule about the fairness of their earnings. Again, we all know they inflate their sponsorship deal, which basically comes from themselves - ie Dubai- but I’m not sure what the rules are about that. Do they have to demonstrate what market value is?
    No clue mate. Maybe the issue is a conflict of interest? I.e. owners using phony deals to funnel money into the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shminkyred View Post
    Might have been mentioned before.....but does this mean that the EPL has to punish them as well?

    What about a 2 point deduction for last season to start with?
    As I told Joetan earlier, the FA have their own financial rules which are a bit less stringent than UEFA's. Despite that it seems unfathomable how Man City would not have also broken these rules. If they have then they should be punished (they really should have all titles they 'won' during the offending period stripped from them), but given the FA's lack of a spine, ineptitude and possible 'self interest', I would be very surprised if any 'meaningful' punishment was handed out to Man City.

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    So in conclusion,

    If u want to play in euro, u need to follow FFP.

    But it doesn't apply to EPL.

    But also they provided fake financial data to EPL from year 2012-16, they might be punished for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post



    No clue mate. Maybe the issue is a conflict of interest? I.e. owners using phony deals to funnel money into the club.

    That would be the easiest way to police it. No nepotism deals
    Sir what is going on.. things is not going according to plan. u promiss early signing. noting happen. Man u 3 player now

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