Reason No. 398,285 why it's not good to have your club owned by a Petro-Oligarch

[Taksin]

1) Arg/Poland is free to criticise, decent standards are widely held.
2) a description of song and dance around human rights issues, dependent on economic dependence and who USA wants to destroy.

You can say both are true as you please, but they contradict each other.

The way you write is so strange I no longer recognise the above 2 things as my own statements. I asked you to explain my contradictions - sticking to what I've said would be a start.

Previously you actually quoted two of my descriptions of real events which were accurate representations of those events. If so, they can't be contradictions. You seem unable to understand what you are doing with this. Because I describe something does not mean I approve of it, see no hypocrisy elsewhere, or do not understand that such things happen elsewhere.

Logically, your insistence that they are contradictions is a mistake.

I've said you've come across as a fella who seems keen to focus on China/Islam but little care for the western victims.
You asked me to fight slavery, you've said nothing about going into Germany to free sex trafficked slaves.
I just find that peculiar. It seems more about China than the Slaves.

You come across someone who can't follow an argument. The focus on Qatar is not my focus, it is the focus of the western world, as exemplified by the coordinated fuss made by the various footballing associations across Europe.

Not my fuss, their fuss.

What you are doing is something abstract in relation to this fuss, which is undeniable and well documented (as in the BBC article above).

You have not acknowledged that Qatar is being put under pressure and is defending itself against criticism on the three fronts mentioned earlier. No-one is defending themselves against the accusations you have drummed up all over this thread at extreme length and repetition. You can type away ad infinitum on this thread meanwhile you could hear a pin drop on the world stage.

What I (or you) say about sex trafficking in Germany has no bearing on any of this and neither does what you presume about my beliefs due to my ignoring your topics of moral decay.. I've told you they are irrelevant. That's not how sports washing happens for the umpteenth time.

[CCTV]

Your words were quoted. You can attend and explain them as coherent with respect to my critique of them. I've shortened them to point out where I claim the contradiction occurs. And expanded that critique significantly.

I'm not making any major judgement about your personal opinions. I've already said you switch between yours and theirs, even referring to 2 different external authorities. Initially the British, then the European-Football-Community.

If you don't want to answer a question straightly, I can't possibly know for sure what your opinions are, but I can point to where you want to focus the discussion, and where you are coy for comment. As such unless it's islam/china you're not interested.

Like you can only talk about places and things when the media let's you. Or where LGBTQ BLM POPPIES take you.
Uighurs in China oh yeah let's go fight, oh and migrant workers in Qatar let's discuss, let's fight.
But sex slaves in Germany and a mostly migrant prostitution industry, what's that got to with the former. Etc etc

You call on dead heroes, then run from any difficult conversation.
As said, I'll carry on expressing myself and progressing the analysis of western ways, that apparently nobody else is talking about, because they don't care about such matters as you say.
There's more to the world than the media who are routinely the least trusted public body across western nations, but you raise them as the moral authority for some reason. Deferred to as deities...

[CCTV]

South Yorkshire Police?
Hillsborough.
Miners Strike.

I believe so. Though I wouldn't know too much about the miners strike, or english geography.

[CCTV]

@CD I don't really care about what you said about Trump, it was sarcasm mimicking your style... you insinuated about my using black as being Jim crow era racism, but when BLM stands for BlackLivesMatter today that's pretty silly.
I was just pointing out how like some twitter dork you use these accusations and then body shame poor little Trump. ��. The way you use these smears, they mean nothing.
I said Trump is the best western leader of my life, no more war, here are a few of his failings
Fucking a pornstar on a nda, Leaving Assange to rot in a UK prison, and yes he is overweight whilst near the end of his natural life. I did enjoy his trolling both establishment parties, peace deals also.

3) abortion is a eugencists best friend, outlined already.

6+)It's funny, the more I talk about other people and issues the more I get accused of self-fellating.
The studies I don't give, but you've read my posting them, Putnams findings have been replicated across Europe. You seem a little mindless. If you want to express yourself, or provide the criticism of the studies and other research. Work away.

[Taksin]

If you don't want to answer a question straightly, I can't possibly know for sure what your opinions are,
.

What’s the question?



I keep asking you to show me where I’ve contradicted myself as you claimed. I haven’t. You won’t admit it.

[CCTV]

What’s the question?

I keep asking you to show me where I’ve contradicted myself as you claimed. I haven’t. You won’t admit it.

I have brought up lots of issues that you haven't addressed. You've said they are irrelevant or obscure as per the authorities you defer to. If you can't see where you've contradicted yourself yet, I can't help you anymore. But it's OK, I'm moving on as you are not that important to the discussion since asked to demonstrate a simple enough moral problem/weighting of a few issues.

Nations are free to criticise, decent standards are widely held.
Nations, like the UK are... "much happier to make a song and dance about the human rights records of governments who we are less reliant upon economically and who America wishes to destroy, such as Syria or Russia"

[Taksin]

I have brought up lots of issues that you haven't addressed. You've said they are irrelevant or obscure as per the authorities you defer to. If you can't see where you've contradicted yourself yet, I can't help you anymore. But it's OK, I'm moving on as you are not that important to the discussion since asked to demonstrate a simple enough moral problem/weighting of a few issues.

Nations are free to criticise, decent standards are widely held.
Nations, like the UK are... "much happier to make a song and dance about the human rights records of governments who we are less reliant upon economically and who America wishes to destroy, such as Syria or Russia"

I don’t see a question there

And I don’t see any attempt to show where I’ve contradicted myself

And if I say something is irrelevant, giving reasons why,, that is addressing it. It may not be addressing it in the way you want but that’s not the same thing.

If you have any questions fire away.

If you still think sports washing doesn’t exist then please state the fact, whether you consider me important to the discussion or not. I haven’t noticed anyone else discussing sports washing with you, which is the topic that relates to the thread title. Maybe you only need yourself to conduct a discussion.

[Insidious]

Colour me shocked.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1591570024258359296

[eggy81]

Colour me shocked.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1591570024258359296

Like it’s there in black and white what they are up to. This ongoing investigation is obviously a sham and really I think the whole of football probably is. Game is gone long ago.

[Insidious]

Like it’s there in black and white what they are up to. This ongoing investigation is obviously a sham and really I think the whole of football probably is. Game is gone long ago.

It's like watching Policemen chat to the robber holding the big bag of dosh outside the bank, asking if they have "seen anything suspicious" as he continues to hold a polite conversation with them before walking away without even hiding the bag.