Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[Nineteenx]

Brexit was always and remains a completely shit idea

Tired of hearing the majority voted to leave, as so many of those people have changed their minds over the last 3 years now what it actually means is coming out.

Leave the EU, the single biggest market and where we do the majority of our trade?

Leave the customs Union and incur WTO tariffs of 10% on everything we import and export from countries in the EU? Got to be fucking kidding me, who does everyone think is going to pay for the extra 10%?

The 'stupid' arguments about this country or that country will do a deal with us because they depend on our trade. It's the EU, not a single country in the EU can do an individual trade deal with the UK, every country has to agree with it

What's happened to the Uk is a result of too many years of Toryism, including Blair, probably the worst of the lot because he could and should have provided a turning point away from that and the vast majority of people who voted for him expected him to.

So what has fundamentally fucked the UK, why am I so sure? It's a number of things, mostly the inherent greed of the majority of most of the human race sadly.

First and foremost the mass sale of social housing and failure to replace it couple with the move to removed housing prices from inflation was a major fucking disaster, I said so at the time, I was absolutely livid, I was 12 years old. It does not take a fucking genius to work out where that was going to lead and has.

Reasons for this are social housing was entirely necessary, and a massive program of building social housing is desperately needed. Social housing gave a hell of a lot of people hope, it gave people 'the will' to work shitty low paid dead end jobs, because they could do this, still get a home and raise a family and survive without the need for food banks or perenially stuck in the rental trap.

Removing house prices from inflation while selling social housing with no intention of replacing it was absolutely a very calculated and deliberate act from an egomaniac who was never fit to be Prime Minister. It was designed to divide a greater percentage of society and communities into the have and have nots. I would very obviously quickly drive up the price of housing, it was removed from inflation because it was known this would happen, because millions of council homes across all areas of the country kept house prices from soaring like this for very obvious reasons. It was like a long term Tory insurance policy, people have voted base on their wealth and the value of their housing for a very long time now, people don't want social housing or affordable homes built in their area, the vast majority of home owners don't ever want this, it was a deliberately community and society dividing policy.

The removal of house prices from inflation was also a disaster for UK workers, because they soared as they were obviously going to and this wasn't included in inflation, the standard policy of employees being to look for annual pay rises as near to the level of inflation as possible, it has effectively meant all UK workers have been taking a massive pay cut, working for less and less year on year ever since the fucktards who kept voting the tories in allowed this to happen. I wasn't old enough to vote when any of this happened, I could see it happening and where it would lead, and it made me very fucking angry. A lot of people are to fucking thick to vote, they just shouldn't be allowed, like in the EU referendum, because the ydon't ever actually understand what their vote means.

Even more annoying was my parents voted for the fucking Tories, they voted for them for years, when you argued with them about it their main reasob for voting for them was that under Labour they had a lot of strike action, and they'd always bring up the bin strikes. "You don't know what it was like when the bins weren't emptied for months on end" yeah right and because of people that vote so basically, generations that followed them don't know what it's like to live in a country where 2 people with ordinary traditionally low paid working class jobs, minimum wage now, could buy a house in a decent area in their early twenties raise four kids and manage to fee and clothe them and although things were a bit tight from time to time, never really need or want desperately for anything and live in a UK in which foodbanks were never necessary.

On the subject of inflation, they've been fiddling that for years, it's not enough they got generation after generation working for less year or year on year because of what they did with housing, they took numerous other things from the inflation register to keep it falsely low.

Privatisation was the other major Tory contribution that fucked the UK, it was always a shit idea too and another that really annoyingly I could see straight through as a 12 year old kid, again, it doesn't take a genius to work it out. "It's losing money, it's not sustainable. it needs investment" what a fucking crock of shit, people invest in things to make money, they expect substantial returns on that money, it was always going to end up driving prices sky high (removed from inflation of course) and seeing services the shareholders viewed as reducing their profits reduced or cut altogether.

The NHS can't cope because like everything else that was build out of socialism and the solidarity of a once great britain, it was a cash cow to be milked and privatised to the Tories, and Blair made that even worse with PFP.

Tories loathe the idea of socialism, but they absolute love it for the incredible infrastructure it left for them to make absurd profits from.

Anyway, I digress, I could rant all night about this, but it all boils down to human nature and man's inherent greed combined with capitalism, it's never enough for these people, they want more and more, just pure greed. Same thing with the environment, obsolescence, building things deliberately to break after a certain period of time, to keep the wheels of capitalism turning and the money flowing into the pockets of the people with more money than they could ever spend, the amount of shit we throw away that fucks the environment up because of the inherent greed is unbelievable.

Capitalism is a dangerous, broken and unsustainable model, it will be the end of the us all, it's the uncontrollable greed and it's gone so long unchecked and the American ideal of smashing profit margins year on year being the norm that we honestly don't stand a chance.

[redebreck]

Brexit was always and remains a completely shit idea

Tired of hearing the majority voted to leave, as so many of those people have changed their minds over the last 3 years now what it actually means is coming out.

Leave the EU, the single biggest market and where we do the majority of our trade?

Leave the customs Union and incur WTO tariffs of 10% on everything we import and export from countries in the EU? Got to be fucking kidding me, who does everyone think is going to pay for the extra 10%?

The 'stupid' arguments about this country or that country will do a deal with us because they depend on our trade. It's the EU, not a single country in the EU can do an individual trade deal with the UK, every country has to agree with it

What's happened to the Uk is a result of too many years of Toryism, including Blair, probably the worst of the lot because he could and should have provided a turning point away from that and the vast majority of people who voted for him expected him to.

So what has fundamentally fucked the UK, why am I so sure? It's a number of things, mostly the inherent greed of the majority of most of the human race sadly.

First and foremost the mass sale of social housing and failure to replace it couple with the move to removed housing prices from inflation was a major fucking disaster, I said so at the time, I was absolutely livid, I was 12 years old. It does not take a fucking genius to work out where that was going to lead and has.

Reasons for this are social housing was entirely necessary, and a massive program of building social housing is desperately needed. Social housing gave a hell of a lot of people hope, it gave people 'the will' to work shitty low paid dead end jobs, because they could do this, still get a home and raise a family and survive without the need for food banks or perenially stuck in the rental trap.

Removing house prices from inflation while selling social housing with no intention of replacing it was absolutely a very calculated and deliberate act from an egomaniac who was never fit to be Prime Minister. It was designed to divide a greater percentage of society and communities into the have and have nots. I would very obviously quickly drive up the price of housing, it was removed from inflation because it was known this would happen, because millions of council homes across all areas of the country kept house prices from soaring like this for very obvious reasons. It was like a long term Tory insurance policy, people have voted base on their wealth and the value of their housing for a very long time now, people don't want social housing or affordable homes built in their area, the vast majority of home owners don't ever want this, it was a deliberately community and society dividing policy.

The removal of house prices from inflation was also a disaster for UK workers, because they soared as they were obviously going to and this wasn't included in inflation, the standard policy of employees being to look for annual pay rises as near to the level of inflation as possible, it has effectively meant all UK workers have been taking a massive pay cut, working for less and less year on year ever since the fucktards who kept voting the tories in allowed this to happen. I wasn't old enough to vote when any of this happened, I could see it happening and where it would lead, and it made me very fucking angry. A lot of people are to fucking thick to vote, they just shouldn't be allowed, like in the EU referendum, because the ydon't ever actually understand what their vote means.

Even more annoying was my parents voted for the fucking Tories, they voted for them for years, when you argued with them about it their main reasob for voting for them was that under Labour they had a lot of strike action, and they'd always bring up the bin strikes. "You don't know what it was like when the bins weren't emptied for months on end" yeah right and because of people that vote so basically, generations that followed them don't know what it's like to live in a country where 2 people with ordinary traditionally low paid working class jobs, minimum wage now, could buy a house in a decent area in their early twenties raise four kids and manage to fee and clothe them and although things were a bit tight from time to time, never really need or want desperately for anything and live in a UK in which foodbanks were never necessary.

On the subject of inflation, they've been fiddling that for years, it's not enough they got generation after generation working for less year or year on year because of what they did with housing, they took numerous other things from the inflation register to keep it falsely low.

Privatisation was the other major Tory contribution that fucked the UK, it was always a shit idea too and another that really annoyingly I could see straight through as a 12 year old kid, again, it doesn't take a genius to work it out. "It's losing money, it's not sustainable. it needs investment" what a fucking crock of shit, people invest in things to make money, they expect substantial returns on that money, it was always going to end up driving prices sky high (removed from inflation of course) and seeing services the shareholders viewed as reducing their profits reduced or cut altogether.

The NHS can't cope because like everything else that was build out of socialism and the solidarity of a once great britain, it was a cash cow to be milked and privatised to the Tories, and Blair made that even worse with PFP.

Tories loathe the idea of socialism, but they absolute love it for the incredible infrastructure it left for them to make absurd profits from.

Anyway, I digress, I could rant all night about this, but it all boils down to human nature and man's inherent greed combined with capitalism, it's never enough for these people, they want more and more, just pure greed. Same thing with the environment, obsolescence, building things deliberately to break after a certain period of time, to keep the wheels of capitalism turning and the money flowing into the pockets of the people with more money than they could ever spend, the amount of shit we throw away that fucks the environment up because of the inherent greed is unbelievable.

Capitalism is a dangerous, broken and unsustainable model, it will be the end of the us all, it's the uncontrollable greed and it's gone so long unchecked and the American ideal of smashing profit margins year on year being the norm that we honestly don't stand a chance.

Excellent post, 19X, I can't disagree with much of it.
I saw privatisation in the 80s I think it was, followed by the Tories giving the Financiers in the City of London a free hand to do whatever they want. Long term, this resulted in the financial meltdown we had after the millennium.
Politicians seem to act like extremists. It's like a game to them, and everybody loses except the politicians who carry on coining it whatever happens.
I'm hopeful that the UK will be able to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world, outside the EU.
The general public aren't given enough truthful, accurate information about those things we need to know about.
As I stated in my earlier post, we've survived outside the EU and we can do it again.

[Balinkay]

Btw, I keep hearing that some leavers have changed their minds. Is the reverse not also happening?

Also what do you guys think of the milkshakes thrown at people like Farage, Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin?

[redebreck]

Btw, I keep hearing that some leavers have changed their minds. Is the reverse not also happening?

Also what do you guys think of the milkshakes thrown at people like Farage, Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin?

I've not changed my mind, but I can understand others changing theirs, based on the fact politicians have lied and given inaccurate information
(ooooh, that's a fecking surprise!)
Throwing milkshakes (etcetera) - they're lucky that's all they're having thrown at them.
If we have to put up with much more of this shit from politicians and the "establishment" (remember Hillsborough) I firmly believe we could have a revolution/anarchy in this country. It's already happening (to a degree) in France.
p.s. Tommy Robinson - isn't he just trying to make everyone aware of the corruption taking place throughout government/councils/etc?

[Insidious]

Still quietly confident Brexit won't happen.

If it does though, the ensuing mess in Northern Ireland could "encourage" me to leave.

[Balinkay]

@redebreck

I agree it's quite lucky it's still only milkshakes, but I personally find it reprehensible nonetheless.

Regarding Tommy - from what little I've seen of him he doesn't look like the mini-Hitler as whom he is seemingly sometimes described.

[Balinkay]

Still quietly confident Brexit won't happen.

If it does though, the ensuing mess in Northern Ireland could "encourage" me to leave.

You'd always be welcome in the Vaterland.

[ianlfc]

Still quietly confident Brexit won't happen.

If it does though, the ensuing mess in Northern Ireland could "encourage" me to leave.

Fuck, If you haven't left by now you'll never leave !!!
Just remember mate with your job you could hop on a plane and start up a business anywhere in the world with out any hassle.
I could see you in somewhere like LA.

[CCTV]

Brexit was always and remains a completely shit idea

Tired of hearing the majority voted to leave, as so many of those people have changed their minds over the last 3 years now what it actually means is coming out.

Leave the EU, the single biggest market and where we do the majority of our trade?

Leave the customs Union and incur WTO tariffs of 10% on everything we import and export from countries in the EU? Got to be fucking kidding me, who does everyone think is going to pay for the extra 10%?

Even more annoying was my parents voted for the fucking Tories, they voted for them for years, when you argued with them about it their main reasob for voting for them was that under Labour they had a lot of strike action, and they'd always bring up the bin strikes. "You don't know what it was like when the bins weren't emptied for months on end" yeah right and because of people that vote so basically, generations that followed them don't know what it's like to live in a country where 2 people with ordinary traditionally low paid working class jobs, minimum wage now, could buy a house in a decent area in their early twenties raise four kids and manage to fee and clothe them and although things were a bit tight from time to time, never really need or want desperately for anything and live in a UK in which foodbanks were never necessary.

On the subject of inflation, they've been fiddling that for years, it's not enough they got generation after generation working for less year or year on year because of what they did with housing, they took numerous other things from the inflation register to keep it falsely low.

Privatisation was the other major Tory contribution that fucked the UK, it was always a shit idea too and another that really annoyingly I could see straight through as a 12 year old kid, again, it doesn't take a genius to work it out. "It's losing money, it's not sustainable. it needs investment" what a fucking crock of shit, people invest in things to make money, they expect substantial returns on that money, it was always going to end up driving prices sky high (removed from inflation of course) and seeing services the shareholders viewed as reducing their profits reduced or cut altogether.

The NHS can't cope because like everything else that was build out of socialism and the solidarity of a once great britain, it was a cash cow to be milked and privatised to the Tories, and Blair made that even worse with PFP.

Tories loathe the idea of socialism, but they absolute love it for the incredible infrastructure it left for them to make absurd profits from.

Anyway, I digress, I could rant all night about this, but it all boils down to human nature and man's inherent greed combined with capitalism, it's never enough for these people, they want more and more, just pure greed. Same thing with the environment, obsolescence, building things deliberately to break after a certain period of time, to keep the wheels of capitalism turning and the money flowing into the pockets of the people with more money than they could ever spend, the amount of shit we throw away that fucks the environment up because of the inherent greed is unbelievable.

Capitalism is a dangerous, broken and unsustainable model, it will be the end of the us all, it's the uncontrollable greed and it's gone so long unchecked and the American ideal of smashing profit margins year on year being the norm that we honestly don't stand a chance.

Great to see an emapassioned post on the matter. What year was it when you were 12 ? I'm assuming its post joining the eu.

Living in Ireland we have very recently had money to build social housing which we also stopped doing. These council houses were built fairly well and like other industries the worst houses built in the country were in the years of boom before this last bust. In 20 years the same houses where I lived appreciated from 30grand to 330grand. While we've had money to build housing the eu is the major reason why we can't build them. The EU says so and thats that due to agreements made, the EU says collect 13 billion from apple in taxes due and they/government object though eventually concede. This is modern politics within the EU - Note this decade long at the time of ruling in 2016 meaning since 2006 at least was conveniently ruled after Brexit.

Over here the disdain for the state having a foothold in housing is still on the rise, more so in institutions of state, banking and the eu. Today there are schemes out there whereby private companies build houses and they lease them to the council for 10 years, after 10 years the private holder can decide if they want to renew the rental agreement or not, or permit the council tenant to enter into a rent to buy scheme. Needless to say I suspect few will decide to permit the council tenant to rent to buy. The 10 year rental costs are paid up front in a lump sum to the developers. This model of long term leasing is praised as progressive and very German like, yet rarely do they state the model in Germany arose to suit cuntish funds who bought up lots of blocks of property after the end of ww2, giving the cunty funds secured long term tenants. You'd end up with no property at the end but will have paid the cost of the property and more in general over your lifetime. It's part of the inequality drive within the eu and attempts to take property away from common people in attempts to dissuade people from having children. Leaving something for kids is typically done via the family home and savings. In our capital city now there are complaints as new modular housing involves rental costs of €1300 euro for a bedroom smaller in area than a disabled car space and 1 kitchen per 42 residents. Outlawed bed sits were far more humane and cheaper. The minister overseeing this has said this young (dumb as fuck) generation are willing to make sacrifices - his father made 2.3million from tribunals in legal costs the only sector to survive mandated cuts and reform. Disabled children funding that's open game, sna's... over one third of all homeless persosn are children and the fastest demographic for sometime now experiencing homelessness are those aged 0-5.

In the rental market tax initiatives have essentially made the landlord market a two tier system and normal private landlords are selling off en masse and larger vulture funds are buying them up. The vulture funds pay a far smaller portion of what the typical private landlord would pay, so we've reduced the tax intake on rental properties also.
While vulture funds are notoriously cuntish in how the treat tenants, breaking rights and getting around rent caps. Though some people have argued that calling large corporate investment funds 'vulture funds' is a demeaning and inhumane label Cuntish funds will have to do so. Post the crash we set up nama which has been exposed for assisting interests in securing large amounts of property at the lowest prices. The crash was a property grab. Large swathes of properties were intentionally left unoccupied to inflate rental costs (now above boom while wages are lower thsn then with other increases in costs of living) and restore property prices to peak bubble prices.

I've seen posts before where people break down their income and apportion how much of their money goes to taxation. Income tax, duties, levies, vat, dirt, property, car.... typical earners estimate between 70-80% of their income goes to taxation. Its common for big CEO's to pay less income tax than average employees on average wages. The eu as part of their desires mandated the introduction of water charges in Ireland. Previously increases in taxation had been introduced over the last 30-40 years for water management by governments. They tried to bring it in and it is the sole victory against the states/eu's taxation policy in Ireland, led by people (aka populist scum) and not the traditional parties. There was no effort to return the tax increases which had previously been apportioned for water management either, taxed again. While the water network is in a poor state. Just over half of our processed water is lost to leaky pipes. When you factor in daily consumption and use by individuals and industry that's a lot of processed water lost. The first efforts of the private company set up to manage our water network was to spend money on water meters. Buried under the ground and no real access to monitoring consumption like electricity. The company was also critiqued for spending grandly on office furniture and state of the art furnishings. It's been defeated for now, but it'll come back.

The medical industry has been turned into a cash cow for private enterprises in public expenditure. Today people are stagnating on living longer than before and are simply far more likely to be ageing with more illnesses/conditions than before. People are getting sicker. Increasing the market share of dependants for the medical complex industry. Food industry has been turned into a shitshow with sugar and processed foods having taken over the landscape. Diet today is a greater danger to people in terms of developing illnesses and death than smoking, drinking and inactivity combined ! People who think they are eating healthy are often very misguided. Drug trials are very poor and often do not beat simple changes in diet or incorporating a simple brisk 20 minute walk 3 times a week as a counter option or group. Not that such measures are included in trials. Whilst I posted a link earlier which also details how stents were given to people for no medical reason whatsoever. Just stick them in $$. If you look at psychological measures it's the same story. Time is in short supply and stress is endemic. More recently theres been a new finding of increased rates of anxiety disorders, major depressive episodes and suicides since 2009 and largely attributed to social media and smart phones. Its far more prominent for girls than boys and effects the youngest worst say 9-14 year olds. This many systemic errors and mismanagement puts the probability in the court of design/desired rather than accidental/incompetence. In the case of social media/smart phones it was a known consequence by design and hence few in the industry allow either for their own kids. Its psychotic politics.

Whilst realising that jobs would be lost to automation and outsourcing, new meaningless service industry's were created to occupy the time of citizens. Coupled with an increase in consumerism and extended business hours, 24 hour cultures. This is akin to North Korea giving you scissors to cut the grass just so you are busy. Then more buying stuff to increase profits. However in the eu we dont like to see these things as comparable. Reducing work hours, days commuting to work, hours of commerce would simply give citizens more time for living and a reduced carbon footprint. Time to keep a garden - less need for massive logistical efforts and plastics for carrots etc, to socialise, develop a strong community, spend time with their kids or parents etc. Disgusting stuff I know. You might note that all these have declined under the eu membership. People are isolated and literally dying from loneliness. The art of living is dying out.

Brexit has been wonderful for the eu citizens. Dont forget it's the same individuals who typically score highly in the personality trait psychoticism who leave the national scence to become supra-nationalist politicians. Often sent off after having to leave due to incompetence or corruption. Before it could rerun votes, ignore votes and overrule them by parliaments- still a possibility with Brexit unfortunately. But the idea is out there now, it can be abandoned entirely.

The problem over here and elsewhere is people seem to think it's only their national politics that is to blame, put a few of these in an avengers gang and they'll transform into something superior.

The eu is utterly fucked because it lacked a credible leadership structure. It decided to introduce the Euro which has been a disaster, foreseeable too as the Brits called it, and it failed to break the banking system when it needed to be done. The last banking model was abandoned, this one has been pumped up at the expense of Europe and its citizens. The one the little englanders liked.... It had full/er employment, reduced inequality, council and social housing, a far better medical standard of scientific credibility and science more generally, a decent press compared with the one we've witnessed lately..

Ten years on from the banking crash the banks are still in a dire situation and illegal EU money laundering steadily increases. The eu post Brexit vote has started to realise the game is up. Its started to tackle some issues but rather tamely imo. But at least they're making noises if the are only vain pandering. A lot of the eu noises have come off the back of Brexit as they try and regain its lost image. We can thank the Brits for being the first to walk away from this corrupt entity and as a result it is starting even if only pr to acknowledge its fook ups.
Britain is a huge economy in Europe, with a good education system & high quality universities (relatively). The trade works both ways. Needs must and if the eu wants to punish Britain for leaving the gang it'll do so at some expense. See what they said about trump's tariffs and wonder will they seek to damage trade in practically the same manner. It would be hypocritical which isn't beyond the eu, but it's likely just more attempts to coerce people out of Brexit. It's all a bluff they do this consistently where the people vote against the eu institution. Rerun the vote, inflate fear, force conformity. We've seen it over here too with the extra allegation of literally swapping in ballot boxes. The eu doesnt care for the democratic wishes of nation states. They've an appalling record in terms of crashing ahead with their institutional desires irrespective of whether people want them.

The warnings were made after ww2 and they were spot on. A sick political stewardship and a fetish for profiteering at the expense of humanity. This socio-economic-political model has people worried about their kids futures over a variety of reasons. An increasingly sick Man in a sick World by design.

I'd to cut out some of your post and my own to fit it into the post.

[CCTV]

Btw, I keep hearing that some leavers have changed their minds. Is the reverse not also happening?

Also what do you guys think of the milkshakes thrown at people like Farage, Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin?

From what I've read this first question is best answered with a its false answer. A majority of voters on both sides are more sure than when they voted. The vast majority include as sure, while those less sure than when they voted are unlikely to change their vote. This is without a critical analysis of the means of polling as discussed earlier in the thread or the political climate since the vote.

1in5 people believe it is acceptable to throw milkshakes. Considering this seems to be a largely remain side activity it would suggest somewhere in and around half (40%) of remain voters believe it is ok to do so. There is the possibility that leave voters believe it is permissible also and some are calling for these attacks to be returned in kind. Escalation is a concern.
I've not seen any data on the throwing of rocks, bricks or scissors but I'd guess as the violence increases the levels of support for such projectiles dissipates.

Certain leave members have been warned by the police that they are in danger of being the victim of an acid attack or their families and have creditable risks of being murdered by the love not hate extremist types.

Theres a positive feedback loop occuring at the minute and clear biases in terms of objective reasoning and reporting in the media. It's not very sensible and tbh I'm amazed that there has been such little violence overall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/UK-England-Manchester-48323573

This is from the BBC. Shouldnt take anyone too long to answer the questions raised and offer a critical review of the piece. Tommy can be located as too the identity of the MDL who travelled from Halifax and its organisation on social media.

The labour rally did not have counter protesters. Counter protesters seems to be a term given to the Muslim defense league and antifa to mislead the reader and keep their names out of the press.
I'd suggest had the edl attended the labour rally and thrown bricks, rocks and scissors at families they wouldn't be called counter protestors.

This is what happens when people legitimise violence on the 1in2 voters who've been labelled racist nazi scum. As pointed out about fry in the pindex videos earlier.

You get the same in the states where whites/blacks/Mexicans will call blacks/Mexicans racist nazi scum because they didnt vote as all black/mexican people are supposed to vote.....