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His stats show he's actually improved defensivelyOriginally Posted by CCTV
He needs coaching about losing his man on crosses for sure
Most goals we've been conceding have been comin from players being released or breaking our lines and press driving the ball down our left and left of centre
Trent isn't being found in the spaces and areas he creates most from
He's often the person who releases our LFWD or Robbo or Tsimikas in space on our left to then be able to create
Big chances created also translates as 'team mate missed a sitter' Trent has 16, 10 more than Robbo i think and has had quite a few sitters missed
Jurrgen's attempts to move to a designated playmaker system Real, Barca Bayern and many others abandoned a couple of season's back because of the ever increasing number of well organised pressing sides that maade such a system now defunct and needless breaking up of our most prolifically productive right side trio and insistence on playing Elliott at RCM are the true source of our issues
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Koala tea
Trents not running anywhere near as hard as Robbo, has been culpable for many goals conceded.
His end product started to drop off a cliff long before Elliot was back from injury.
Elliot deputising for Hendo this season shows how our rcm role altered last year. This year Klopp goes for Elliot rcm over Hendo at times and in place of Hendo when he's out.
Lots of things to moan about, or consider, but Trent can't be excused for himself.
170kpw, 70kpw more than Robbo each week.. and half the effort
Koala tea
Key passes in the PL-ONLY for LFC players
Trent 1.8 pg (about half of where it was)
Salah 1.8 pg
Robbo 1.7 pg
Thiago 1.2 pg
Darwin 1.2 pg
Tsimi 1.1 pg
Bobby
Assists
Salah 7
Robbo 6
Tsimi 4
Bobby 4
Darwin 3
Jota 2
Elliot 2
Diaz 2
Trent 2
Alison 1
Miller 1
Hendo 1
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/26/Show/England-Liverpool
Rowdy Yates
Your opening gambit would be the perfect summary to almost everything you keep regurgitating. It’s clear you get rude and aggressive when challenged on what you have said.What a load of horse shit lame lazy ill thought out nonsense as ever, 'the trident'the trident that anyone of Mane Origi Diaz Jota Bobby Oxlade Lallana Minamino Mo and others with Gini chipping in arriving from LCM on occasion a certain champions league semi springs to mind, that no matter who was in it, Trent provided season after season until this one where he's had Elliott in his space almost every game (well documented and detailed by every EPL broadcaster not just me) and a designated playmaker who can't even do the basics of bringing our most prolific players into the game, a designated playmaker making it far too easy for sides trying to press you to set traps read your play and anticipate what's coming and counter you successfully almost every time you lose possessiom (precisely why Real Bayern Barca and so many others started moving away from that model a couple of seasons ago)
Beyond that though you have got a bit desperate and started citing players in Jota & Minamino who weren’t even here during the period you want to highlight as our golden template, even adding in Diaz who has been here barely a year. C’mon mate, this is soft as shyte. Trent was superb for us creatively for a long spell BUT it coincided with the team in its pomp and that front 3 being relentless.
Feel free to argue against that on your own in the corner.
And that was in a team that was collectively bang in its prime, that hadn’t run out of legs and was playing to a template few opposition had fathomed to counter. Again - as dicko pointed out for your delectation:
much of this quote feeds into Trent as well as others too
This template allied to these players did break down- TWICE in 3 seasons. And now with the team not nearly at the same level physically and mentally…. now we see Trent’s weaknesses magnified.
the above is long winded and Carra is a poor communicator imo - but he gets to the nub… eventually.
Last edited by Steveo; 30th March 2023 at 07:50 AM.
Rowdy Yates
Correct, and it seems this is also born out by the stats. Regardless, we have all seen the ambling jog, that lack of energy and desire to defend.
Trent, like Virgil and many others has played too many games without any rotation option (even if it’s just knowing there is someone who can step in) imo. It’s payback now mentally and physically.
Gomez has taken so much slack - much of it warranted. Trent has rightly been afforded much more leeway, but the facts are the facts.
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Trent overlaps well as the games wear on and stretches play and the lad runs in behind and hit shots that nearly take the keeper’s head off and only an ostrich would miss what we’re capable of when we’re firing on all cylinders.
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The number of big chances created considering how much less he's seen of the ball in the areas he's always previously created from tell a different story and AGAIN he is still most frequently our player who finds our LFWD and LB in space and isolation on the opposite side to give them a good opportunity to create
AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN it is a game of 11 players, you don't efer seem to consider that, in other posts you ignored a vitally important incredible drop off in crosses and accurate long balls from our entire right side of Trent Elliott and Mo compared to last seasons of Trent Hendo and Mo, it matters immensely as those passes and crosses were a huge part of our play and playmaking providing LFWD LCM LB and No9 with more service because it's a game of 11 fucking players
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I blame Jurgen...he's not a defender....he could be a great, played further forward...but still have decent defensive capabilities...
Klopp needs to make the most of the things he is/was one of the best in the world at.
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Absolutely - Steveo's bug bear with all of this and the overwhelming stats showing through changes Jurgen has made, 2 critical ones this season, he is no longer getting the very best from most of our players, almost all of their numbers are suffering hugely
Steveo doesn't like anyone to point out that legend as he is and will always be, Jurgen is fallible, and that rather than a lack of investment by FSG, it's Jurgen's fault we are in our current situation
The Elliott issue isn't even debatable, it's been covered on every EPL sports broadcaster, the entire world of punditry and analysis has said and can see Elliott playing at RCM means we haven't seen the best of Mo or Trent or Hendo for that matter all season and we're over 30% down on key stats like successful long balls and crosses from our right side
The only people who refuse to see that are: Jurgen and his coaches - All those who are desperately trying to preserve the incredible myth that Jurgen can do no wrong and never makes a mistake
Jurgen puts a great deal of stead, far too much in my opinion of keeping the same group of players together, he could and should have offloaded Keita, Fab, Gomez and Ox a very long time ago, 2 because they were never available and no longer up to it when they were, 2 because they weren't good enough and had a history of both having meltdowns in games which we suffered heavy losses as a result, and he should have offloaded Origi earlier than he did, he kept fucking Moreno for too long also
Elliott needed another loan, Jones has long needed a loan and both still do, but he couldn't buy senior players, not that he bought one right midfielder since gini anyway, because he insisted on keeping both Naby (taking up a foreign player spot) and Oxlade
"If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”
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While you're slating a lad who is only a full back who 'helps out a bit at the other end' by Steveo's account who's still the TOP performer of all our players in that respect, the stat itself is a nonsense
So it can be and in some cases looking at the stats, often is just a rudimentary nothing pass, that a player of a certain types will take on, get half a yard and have a speculative effort that has precious little chance of success THAT is not a key fucking pass, these middle class wankers don't half come up with some shite ideas for making up new stats and defining them as such thingsKey Pass. The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.
How would I define a key pass?
A pass that releases another player to assist - A key pass all day long
A pass that actually releases a player in behind for a genuine chance on goal - A key pass all day long
A rudimentary, nothing pass, that a player takes on and tries a speculative effort on goal from, simply shouldn't count as a key pass, not ever, because it isn't
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