Reply With QuoteWhen you're not busy fantasising about being handcuffed naked to the radiator in Nineteen's cum dungeon, what are your other hobbies?Originally Posted by darrenpotter
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I'm not buying it about Gini, he was on the way down in a big way. Absolutely stank PSG out of it when he moved there which was a direct continuation of his last few months where he was hardly controlling games, he was frequently referred to as the barber for just short back and sides passing. Another great servant but appantly he has evolved into a world class player since leaving here according to some when what he has achieved since is a grand total of fuck all.
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When you're not busy fantasising about being handcuffed naked to the radiator in Nineteen's cum dungeon, what are your other hobbies?
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Putting up with cunts like you 👍
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He's missed lots of games since arriving and he WAS Gini's replacement, it isn't we didn't replace Gini, Thiago was his replacement
Genuine question, there is only one realistic answer, but I expect the usually bullshit
In the days when quite a few top teams still employed a designated playmaker, while the pressing and counter pressing game was still spreading to be as widely used as it is now, with most teams now are at least good enough at it to cause teams with one serious issues, Thiago was at Bayern under Guardiola
Guardiola said of Bayern, when he is out for a semi lengthy spell for them, having built his side around having him as a designated playmaker, "Without Thiago there is no Bayern" or something along those lines
So here's the question, given the above and how much easier it is for sides to press teams with a designated playmaker, and that most clubs have moved away from that model for that reason, focusing on having more or all their players involved and capable to some degree in contributing to their playmaking, wasn't it frankly a ridiculous plan to sign an injury prone 30 year old to try and employ them in such a fashion?
I think it is pretty scandalous mismanagement personally, I look forward to other people's answers, considering we'd just absolutely thrashed City in the league with Be Druyne, Gundogan, Sliva and 2 or 3 others as their playmakers with much better passing ability than most of ours, short between the lines passing especially and they'd encountered far more issues with Park The Bus sides than we had
I've explained this to quite a few non football following freinds as the concept of what was done is really easy for anyone to follow and to a man and woman "That's ridiculous, that makes no sense at all" is the unequivocal answer
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Update to the injury list. I'm only focusing on League games to keep it as tidy as possible and less games to track.
33 league games played after todays game with spurs.
Goalkeepers - Currently 0 Injured
None injured.
Caoimhin Kelleher - Missed 8 league games due to injury (1st 8 games). No longer injured.
Defenders - Currently 1 Injured
Calvin Ramsey is a long term injury so I wont record his game time missed.
Virgil Van - Missed 4 league game out of 28.
3 to injury and 1 to illness.
Joe Gomez -
Had 1 injury so far this season. Missed 4 game out of 28.
Ibrahima Konate - Missed 16 League games so far
Missed 7 league games due to 1st injury.
Has missed 3 league games with 2nd injury.
3rd injury missed 1 game.
4th injury, missed 4 league game.
5th injury, missed 1 league game (kind of rested going by quotes but he wasnt 100%).
Joel Matip - Missed 9 out of the available 33 league games so far.
Missed 3 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 6 league games with 2nd injury.
Andy Robertson - Missed 2 games due to injury.
Midfielders - Currently 2 Injured
Thiago Alcantara - Has missed 15 out of 33 games so far.
Missed 5 league games due to injury.
Missed 1 game due to illness.
2nd injury he has missed 8 league games to date. Still injured.
Came back from injury, but missed spurs due to injury.
Total of 15 out of 33 missed league games. Nearly 50% of league games missed.
Naby Keita - INURED AGAIN. IS HE EVEN INJURED?
Missed 14 league games (1st 14).
Came back from international duty injured, again. Missed another 7 games so far.
Total of 21 out of 33 league games. Probably wont see him again.
Arthur - Injured and needs surgery. Has played 0 league games due to a long term injury. Missed the 1st 23 league games with injury.
Hasnt been in a squad since the Chelsea game. Not sure if he is injured again or just not making the squads.
Curtis Jones - Missed 8 league games due to injury. Missed a 9th game due to a 2nd injury. Missed 2 more games (Villa & Leicester)
Total of 11 out of 33 missed league games.
Jordan Henderson - Missed 2 league games due to injury/concussion. No longer injured.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Missed 9 league games due to injury. No longer injured.
Attackers - Currently 1 Injured
Bobby Firmino -
1st injury Missed the 6 league games since the world cup due to injury.
2nd injury he has missed 3 more league games.
Missed 9 out 33 league games.
Luiz Diaz -
Injured versus Arsenal. Made his return vs Leeds recently.
Missed 21 league games out of 33 league games.
Darwin Núñez -
Missed 3 league games due to suspension.
Missed 1 league game due to injury.
Missed 1 more game due to new injury.
Missed 1 more game due to shoulder injury.
Missed 6 games out of 33 in total.
Diogo Jota -
Missed 5 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 7 league games due to 2nd injury. No longer injured returned to the bench vs Everton.
Total of 12 out 33 league games missed.
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Update to the injury list. I'm only focusing on League games to keep it as tidy as possible and less games to track.
36 league games played after the win against Leicester City.
Goalkeepers - Currently 0 Injured
None injured.
Caoimhin Kelleher - Missed 8 league games due to injury (1st 8 games). No longer injured.
Defenders - Currently 1 Injured
Calvin Ramsey is a long term injury so I wont record his game time missed.
Virgil Van - Missed 4 league game out of 36.
3 to injury and 1 to illness.
Joe Gomez -
Had 1 injury so far this season. Missed 4 game out of 36.
Ibrahima Konate - Missed 17 League games out of 36
Missed 7 league games due to 1st injury.
Has missed 3 league games with 2nd injury.
3rd injury missed 2 game.
4th injury, missed 4 league game.
5th injury, missed 1 league game (kind of rested going by quotes but he wasnt 100%).
Joel Matip - Missed 9 out of the available 36 league games so far.
Missed 3 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 6 league games with 2nd injury.
Andy Robertson - Missed 2 games due to injury.
Midfielders - Currently 2 Injured
Thiago Alcantara -
Has missed 18 out of 36 games.
Missed 5 league games due to injury.
Missed 1 game due to illness.
2nd injury he has missed 8 league games to date. Still injured.
Came back from injury, but missed last 4 games with injury. Has had surgery and wont play again this season so will miss the last 2 games also.
So in total he will have missed 20 games out of 36. That's more than 50% of the league games missed through injury.
Naby Keita - INURED AGAIN. IS HE EVEN INJURED?
Missed 14 league games (1st 14).
Came back from international duty injured, again. Missed another 13 games so far.
Total of 27 out of 36 league games. Probably wont see him again.
Arthur -
Injured and needs surgery. Has played 0 league games due to a long term injury.
Missed the 1st 23 league games with injury.
Hasnt been in a squad since the Chelsea game.
Was back on the bench for the Leicester game.
Curtis Jones -
1st injury missed 8 league games due to injury.
2nd injury - missed a 9th game due to a 2nd injury.
3rd injury - missed 2 more games.
No longer injured and banging in the goals.
Total of 11 out of 36 missed league games.
Jordan Henderson -
Missed 3 league games due to injury/concussion.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain -
Missed 9 league games due to injury. No longer injured.
Attackers - Currently 2 Injured
Bobby Firmino -
1st injury Missed the 6 league games since the world cup due to injury.
2nd injury he has missed 6 more league games.
Hopefully back for this weekend against villa.
Missed 12 out 36 league games.
Darwin Núñez -
Missed 3 league games due to suspension.
Missed 1 league game due to injury.
Missed 1 more game due to new injury.
Missed 1 more game due to shoulder injury.
Missed 1 more game (Leicester)
Missed 7 games out of 36 in total.
Luiz Diaz -
Injured versus Arsenal. Made his return vs Leeds recently.
Missed 21 league games out of 36 league games.
Diogo Jota -
Missed 5 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 11 league games due to 2nd injury.
No longer injured.
Total of 16 out 36 league games missed.
Last edited by jr81; 19th May 2023 at 03:03 PM.
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Approaching 200 games missed through injury. It tells us everything we need to know about what last season took out of the squad. Just as the CL in 2019 and league in 2020 did similar to a younger fitter squad. Remember we almost achieved what we did across those 2 seasons in one last term.
No coincidence that the players have taken so long to recover. Sadly it looks a little too late.
63 games - 3 x 1/4 final - 3 X semi finals and 3x finals while fighting Shitty for the title!
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Last edited by Steveo; 19th May 2023 at 03:12 PM.
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Just to complete this out for the season. I'm only focusing on League games to keep it as tidy as possible and less games to track.
Goalkeepers
Caoimhin Kelleher - Missed 8 league games due to injury (1st 8 games).
Defenders
Calvin Ramsey was a long term injury so I didnt record his game time missed.
Virgil - Missed 4 league game out of 38 through injury.
3 to injury and 1 to illness.
He missed the last game but I think he was rested more so than injured.
Joe Gomez -
Had 1 injury this season. Missed 4 game out of 38.
Ibrahima Konate - Missed 17 League games out of 38 from injury. He missed the last game but again I think rested more so than injured.
Missed 7 league games due to 1st injury.
Has missed 3 league games with 2nd injury.
3rd injury missed 2 game.
4th injury, missed 4 league game.
5th injury, missed 1 league game (kind of rested going by quotes but he wasnt 100%).
Joel Matip - Missed 9 out of the available 38 league games.
Missed 3 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 6 league games with 2nd injury.
Andy Robertson - Missed 2 games due to injury.
Midfielders
Thiago Alcantara -
Has missed 20 out of 38 games.
Missed 5 league games due to injury.
Missed 1 game due to illness.
2nd injury he has missed 8 league games.
Came back from injury, but missed the last 6 games with another injury. Has had surgery before missing those 6 games.
So in total he missed 20 games out of 38. That's more than 50% of the league games missed through injury.
Naby Keita - INURED AGAIN. IS HE EVEN INJURED?
Missed 14 league games (1st 14).
Came back from international duty injured, again. Missed the last 15 games.
Total of 29 out of 38 league games. DISASTER!
Arthur -
Injured and needs surgery. Has played 0 league games due to a long term injury.
Missed the 1st 23 league games with injury.
Hasnt been in a squad since the Chelsea game.
Was back on the bench for the Leicester game.
DISASTER!
Curtis Jones -
1st injury missed 8 league games due to injury.
2nd injury - missed a 9th game due to a 2nd injury.
3rd injury - missed 2 more games.
No longer injured and banging in the goals.
Total of 11 out of 38 missed league games.
Jordan Henderson -
Missed 3 league games due to injury/concussion.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain -
Missed 9 league games due to injury. No longer injured.
Attackers
Bobby Firmino -
1st injury Missed the 6 league games since the world cup due to injury.
2nd injury he has missed 6 more league games.
Hopefully back for this weekend against villa.
Missed 12 out 3 l8eague games.
Darwin Núñez -
Missed 3 league games due to suspension.
Missed 1 league game due to injury.
Missed 1 more game due to new injury.
Missed 1 more game due to shoulder injury.
Missed 1 more game (Leicester)
Missed 2 more games at the end.
Missed 9 games out of 38 in total.
Luiz Diaz -
Injured versus Arsenal. Made his return vs Leeds recently.
Missed 21 league games out of 38 league games.
Diogo Jota -
Missed 5 league games due to 1st injury.
Missed 11 league games due to 2nd injury.
No longer injured.
Total of 16 out 38 league games missed.
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Cheers for compiling the list.
Having 2 of our attackers miss approximately half a season of League games each was not very helpful. Nor was the persistent issue of a lack of availability from certain mids. The two combined - difficult.
The flip side is that if (one almighty "if") we could have more availability from our attackers and have our midfield complimented by at least one young/fit player (how big an impact will Mac Allister prove to have?) then you can see the potential to finish with a higher points total next season and go from there.
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I cant seem to upload images. I wanted to show the data using a chart to see what it actually shows. I tried to tabulate it below.
In summary:
1. I have counted that we missed 197 games from injury.
2. The worst offenders were no surprise really - KEITA and ARTHUR.
3. Removing those two from the total count and the others missed a total 145 games through injury. Diaz would the worst offender then but he had a long term injury.
4. Top 5 injured players contained 3 midfielders. 2 are no longer with us. Thiago is showing himself to be a problem from an injury point of view. He missed 55% of our league games through injury. We need to sign MORE modfielders.
5. Konate is a concern. He had a poor record before singing for us and this season he has missed 45% of our league games through injury. We NEED another CB this summer.
6. Henderson and Gomez's injury record were good this year. However their game time was more restricted. Maybe for Henderson he was being handled more this season?
7. Our defenders are pretty robust apart from Konate. They missed a total of 36 games in total. Konate made up 17 of those. The others contributed to missing 19 games in total. So our defenders seem robust but with question marks over Konate. TAA missed none through injury. I think Matip is always likely to pick up injuries but didnt play that much this year to pick them up so his numbers arent too bad but still missed 9 games.
8. Our attackers have quite high numbers for missing games.
Diaz had the bad injury.
Jota misses games. This was also the case the year before if I remember correctly.
Salah and Gakpo the only 2 not to miss a game. Salah is a machine.
Nunez picked a few niggly injuries this year. Something to watch next year.
9. Allison missed no games this year through injury where he was getting a bit of a reputation in previous seasons for picking up little injuries.
NAME GAMES MISSED %MISSED Keita 29 76% Arthur 23 61% Diaz 21 55% Thiago 20 53% Konate 17 45% Jota 16 42% Bobby 12 32% Jones 11 29% Matip 9 24% Ox 9 24% Nunez 9 24% Kelleher 8 21% Virgil 4 11% Gomez 4 11% Hendo 3 8% Robertson 2 5%
Is any of this a surprise? I dont think so. We all knew Keita was injury prone. Artur was a disaster signing.
We need to watch Konate, Thiago and Jota. These 3 are expected to be regular starters if they are here next year.
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