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Fascinating reply.
A poor categorisation of my comments, and a failure to address points on topic to your charge.
Continuing on with this tippy tippy v 100 million miles an hour football, based on one ethnicity not producing top managers.
Fergie, Wenger, Rafa, Jose, Klopp, Pep...
Are these all examples of foreign tippy tippy v 100 million miles an hour football.
Seems you're starting with this lazy dichotomy, and making a poor argument that English managers fail due to their playing 100 million miles an hour like Klopp
You often put yourself in a group opposed to others, where you are more fitting of the opposite group than you think.
Want some examples
2 things CC..
1. It isn't a categorisation of your comments whatsoever as I didn't reply to you..
2. Klopp has won the premier league and did so NOT by playing 10o million mile an hour football exclusively AND crucially has since tried multiple times to change tact. He recognised the fact that it is killing successive squads.
A point you seem unable to face.
[QUOTE=Steveo;2827606]As far as I can see - The last few posts exhibit perfectly why there have been zero English managers to win a Premier league - OR any major league for that matter across Europe.
Focussing literally on instances or passages of play rather than the overall quality and technique of the player - the short pass - ability to retain possession without just passing the buck/QUOTE]
The things you mention I haven’t mentioned are things that are a very obvious pre-requisite of any professional footballer
Passing the buck is what too many are doing now, playing short simple nothing passes for their stats without reallly ever trying to make something happen It’s far easier for players to hide in a forced short game
You said:
That was you starting off, referencing me in particluar.The thing is - so many of you (you and CC in particular - who love your million mile an hour football over tippy tappy crappy) seem to have forgotten what happens when you are fatigued or stretched from too many consecutive games and too many hard miles (in this case on a young lad who would never have played at this intensity and level for so long) .
You've had no reply to my post since, duly noted.
You have come back with
Can you please clarify2. Klopp has won the premier league and did so NOT by playing 10o million mile an hour football exclusively AND crucially has since tried multiple times to change tact. He recognised the fact that it is killing successive squads.
A) Who does play 100 million mile an hour football, or exclusively
Which English managers embody a blitzkrieg approach 🤔
B) if Klopp doesn't play this style exclusively is he looking to eradicate it, or minimise it and to what extent
For me
Top teams play at the highest intensity and Klopp has been in the top 3 world sides for his tenure. Dropped out on occasion perhaps but on average he's been thwarted by City & Real over this era.
I think the point Steveo omits is neither CCTV or I dislike effective tappy crappy, it takes time & a different way of coaching to work on getting consistent good movement combined with short interplay &the best short game sides are successful in part because they do & can switch up to go more direct for spells and they play at 100 mph in the zipping the ball about
So many teams are so well practices in pressing & counter pressing g to a high level in the modern game that walking pace or strolling tappy crappy isn’t doable anymore
City press & counter press & keep good counter pressing positions not overcommitting in attacks throughout even though they dominate the ball & mix it up playing direct too
I am suggesting that both of you fail to see why our squad keeps being destroyed by injury.
Rafa with fewer options chose to rest and rotate for this very reason. He almost won 2 European Cups against a top level Milan side - taking it in 2005 and coming so close to beating what I consider United’s best ever side in 2009.
I am suggesting that Klopp has tried to solve the problem but hasn’t had the funds or the fortune.
i think Klopp is amazing as a manager the best around at this time - capable of getting a side which was never the best even domestically to 3 European Cup finals and winning over 90 points on at least 3 occasions. I would still fancy Rafa’s Liverpool to knock him out over 2 legs however - probably every time.
Turn this tie around & we’ll have the momentum to finish the season really well you feel
Right then, let’s fucking have this
Alisson
Trent Konate Van Dijk Robertson
Szoboslai Mac Allister Jones
Jota
Salah________Nunez
Love us to go for it old school Jurgen style LCM & RCM supporting Robbo & Trent to play high & wide so we always have numbers in midfield
Jota putting himself about & arriving in the box in timely fashion to score 2 or 3
Mo & Nunez taking that awkward as fuck position for defences playing off them a little & mixing it to runs in behind & inside out & outside in runs from there & bagging a goal each at least
Be absolutely brilliant if we get ourselves through
You said
"The thing is - so many of you (you and CC in particular - who love your million mile an hour football over tippy tappy crappy) seem to have forgotten what happens when you are fatigued or stretched from too many consecutive games and too many hard miles (in this case on a young lad who would never have played at this intensity and level for so long)"
I don't recall ever using this phrase, or expressed anything to that effect.
You didn't reply to my post on my actual views.
And haven't answered a question put to you more recently for clarity.
One last point regards Bradley
Bradley 23/24 season
22 games & 1,485 minutes
67.5 minutes per appearance
30/11/23 to 14/4/24
20 week season
74.25 minutes per week
Trent 18/19 season (same age)
40 games & 3,338 minutes
83.45 minutes per appearance
12/8/18 to 1/6/19
46 week season
72.6 minutes per week
Trent played 2.24 times the minutes that season and was playing longer per appearance.
Bradley has played 1.65 minutes more per week.
Maybe if you presented your x milion miles an hour assessment of Klopps LFC in 18/19 & his reduced rate in 23/24, perhaps we could see if Trents lesser minutes per week was actually a greater load/burden...
It seems Klopps treated them rather similarly
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