Liverpool v Atalanta (CL Match Thread)

[RedNoodle]

Liverpool

Alisson, N Williams, R Williams, Matip, Tsimikas, Jones, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Origi, Mané.

Subs: Adrian, Koumetio, Clarkson, Cain, Kelleher, Robertson, Jota, Minamino, Firmino, Fabinho.

Atalanta

Golini; Toloi, Romero, Djimisti, Hateboer, De Roon, Freuler, Pessina, Gosens, Gomez, Ilicic.

Subs: Panada, Zapata, Miranchuk, Sportiello, Scalvini, Ruggeri, Rossi, Piccini, Mojica, Lammers, Palomino.

Referee

C Del Cerro Grande (Spain).

[vin]

Liverpool

Alisson, N Williams, R Williams, Matip, Tsimikas, Jones, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Origi, Mané.

Subs: Adrian, Koumetio, Clarkson, Cain, Kelleher, Robertson, Jota, Minamino, Firmino, Fabinho.

Atalanta

Golini; Toloi, Romero, Djimisti, Hateboer, De Roon, Freuler, Pessina, Gosens, Gomez, Ilicic.

Subs: Panada, Zapata, Miranchuk, Sportiello, Scalvini, Ruggeri, Rossi, Piccini, Mojica, Lammers, Palomino.

Referee

C Del Cerro Grande (Spain).

I know we are being cautious with injuries but Atalanta aren't mugs. They can score for fun. I would rather we gone a bit stronger, qualified and then start resting everyone

[RedNoodle]

It all depends what Atalanta turns up. They haven't been great recently and drew 0-0 for the first time in absolute ages against a relegation candidate in their last league game.

[Nineteenx]

Alisson

N.Williams R.Williams Matip Tsimikas

Jones Wijnaldum Milner

Salah Origi Mane

Jurgen taking a huge risk with this line up, when he could have started stronger and look to put the game and qualifiaction to bed and THEN rested players

Communication, communication, communication, communication

Good steady start, them bum them into oblivion

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get the win and another vital 3 points here tonight

[justme]

I usually say nice solid start and take it from there. What the hell 5 up at halftime and bring on the kids

[justme]

And i feel sorry for Mininamo. Klopp as openly said he will get more playing time. yet he can't even start in this game.
I don't get that. any way come of LFC

[Nineteenx]

Here we go

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get the win and another vital 3 points here tonight

[RedNoodle]

Come on the Reds!!!!!

[worldpanel]

Streams anyone?

[RedNoodle]

How is it possible for someone to go through half a tube of Pringles in the space of two minutes? :eek: + :fat:

It's a good job I'm not into booze or drugs.

[miller0863]

Really sloppy start

[Nineteenx]

Great ball in by Tsimikas there, Origi's movement not up to Jota's standards unfortunately

[Steveo]

Tsimikas has a wicked left foot

[miller0863]

Absolutely shocking from Neco, he hasn’t got a scooby I’m afraid

[RedNoodle]

Would you say his play is a bit Scrappy?

[miller0863]

And again good grief

[miller0863]

Leave the S off Noods

[Nineteenx]

Nearly a goal there from Neco getting robbed wanting far too long to do things, I really do NOT rate the lad, takes far too long and too many touches that he doesn't need to and tries stupid things in dangerous areas and when he receives it in great forward areas to put a first time cross in, he even fannies about then

[Steveo]

Would you say his play is a bit Scrappy?

Definitely looks Shaggy’d

[miller0863]

His positioning is poor, he allows opponents to just run off him, he panics in possession and constantly gives the ball away.
A real weakness

[Nineteenx]

Absolutely shocking from Neco, he hasn’t got a scooby I’m afraid

He looks like a kid who's won a competition to play in a game

[Nineteenx]

His positioning is poor, he allows opponents to just run off him, he panics in possession and constantly gives the ball away.
A real weakness

Yep, he's still woefully under developed to be anywhere near starting a Premier League or Champions League game

[Steveo]

I worry that Gini is going to be stretched to breaking point here

[CCTV]

Lay off the flix Mane

[Steveo]

4 attempts and 1 on target for Atalanta v our 0 attempts and 0 on target.

Klopp you might need to change things before HT

[CCTV]

Origi hacked by Romero

[miller0863]

We’re not up for this at all

[CCTV]

Good tackle from Curtis

[RedNoodle]

We're playing how I feel.

[CCTV]

Matip with a poor giveaway

[miller0863]

Neco ffs

[CCTV]

Tsimikas with a good cross and start

[Insidious]

I know we are being cautious with injuries but Atalanta aren't mugs. They can score for fun.

Peak-Atalanta are a joy to watch, just as Klopp's Dortmund were. Inconsistent this season though.

If they bring their best, it's good experience for the younger lads. If they don't bring their best, our younger lads can cope and will gain confidence.

Hopefully we have juuuust enough. I would have rather Jürgen went with a stronger side so we can rotate later, but if we win with heavy rotation and can still do the aforementioned rotation then that is even better!

[CCTV]

Nice sliding tackle from neco

[miller0863]

Atalanta just lacking the finish so far, easily the better team.

[CCTV]

Matip not having his best half so far

[CCTV]

Very little from our front 3 in an attacking sense

[CCTV]

Matip does well to block out a cross

[Nineteenx]

Neco nearly gifts them a goal trying a turn on the edge of his box he shouldn't even be thinking of trying, will somebody have a fucking word with that lad, or better still send him out on loan for a season or two, he's nowhere near ready

[Crimson Dynasty]

We're woefully getting outmatched here.
Outworked, out-hassled and plainly beaten to every second ball by Atalanta.

Even when we do (re-)gain possession and look like we could do something, someone inevitably gives it away cheaply.

Klopp looks frustrated on the sidelines and I can't blame him.

He needs to make some changes at the half.

[CCTV]

Klopp being expressive :D

[miller0863]

Surely there’s going to be a half time change, Fabinho on and Mill to right back. Poor Neco is way out of his depth

[faridtoxteth]

To me Mo Salah looks absolutely nowhere near match fit.
Divock FFS he is walking around completely casually. Doesn't press, doesn't make runs. haul him off at half time bring on Minamino, you know he will run his socks off.

[Kev0909]

playing like we give no fucks tonight

origi never even try's on the very rare occasion he does get picked

awful disgusting attitude from the lad imo fuck right off

[Nineteenx]

Matip not having his best half so far

He really does NOT fancy Neco at all and fair play to him, he keeps trying to play balls through midfield or straight to the forwards because the midfield is creating nothing and he looks like he does not trust Neco at all and I don't blame him and at least he's trying to create something

[RedNoodle]

Klopp being expressive :D

I was waiting/hoping for the lads behind him to join in. :D

[RedNoodle]

He really does NOT fancy Neco at all and fair play to him, he keeps trying to play balls through midfield or straight to the forwards because the midfield is creating nothing and he looks like he does not trust Neco at all and I don't blame him and at least he's trying to create something

That is one of our midfield's biggest weaknesses. They simply do not provide enough creativity and goals, and on occasion can struggle to retain possession.

[CCTV]

Tsimikas helps old man Milner to his feet

[LEGS]

Tough game for Neco but we just arent playing well I guess Rhys and Greek lad playing ok.

[faridtoxteth]

That should be a yellow for diving.
To be honest the ref never blows for anything it seems

[Crimson Dynasty]

Why the hell wasn't that player booked for what was an OBVIOUS dive?

and why do we keep giving the ball away FFS!??!?

[Nineteenx]

We were bound to be poor to be fair, Jurgen hasn't fielded this selection for fun, the injuries and amount of games have forced him to, he's probably hoping Mane or Mo can nick one and we can give nothing away and he can bring on Jota, Bobby, Robbo and Fabinho in the last 20 and win it

It's like when he made the formation changes, we're so used to and reliant on continuity of system and selection that even with continuity of system just a couple of key players missing we're well below our best

Bobby warming up, hopefully for Origi who has been completely ineffectual

[RedNoodle]

Gasperini looks like a slightly slimmer Ancelotti.

[Insidious]

Need legs on there.

He has his detractors but that's a game for Minamino.

[miller0863]

Rhys looks very calm and assured and decent with his distribution

[RedNoodle]

Need legs on there.

He has his detractors but that's a game for Minamino.

Well send him a PM and see if he can get to Anfield before the second half kicks off.

[miller0863]

Best bit of play from us, still no shot on target

[Steveo]

We had an attempt - oh yea oh yea...

[Nineteenx]

Need legs on there.

He has his detractors but that's a game for Minamino.

I think Minamino is symptomatic of our issues during our slump, too many really good promising players thought they'd made it when they arrived, he hasn't shown even one glimpse of the 2 excellent displays he produced against us in the Champions League

[LEGS]

Well send him a PM and see if he can get to Anfield before the second half kicks off.

Im sure I can run more than Origi has !

[Crimson Dynasty]

Tsimikas and Williams the stand-outs so far in an otherwise sub-par game and performance from everyone else.

[justme]

Terrible no control of the game at all

[RedNoodle]

Well that was certainly an insipid first half.

If you take out the Borussia Monchengladbach v Shaktar game, there have only been four goals in all of today's other CL games.

[teesred]

Thank fuck that half is over. Absolute dung.

[Nineteenx]

HT really REALLY poor half, dire in fact, over to Jurgen as ever to work his half time magic and make sure we're a fuck site bettter in the second half, some subs would be a good idea, Origi just doesn't look at all interested, I'd bring the young midfielder on for Neco and move Millie to RB, he created more from there v Leicester in 10 minutes than he's managed to create in midfield tonight

[Steveo]

Just over the moon we got to HT without conceding, an achievement considering the lineup.

[faridtoxteth]

Don't want to criticise young Neco, but he is simply not ready yet.
Apart from Milner and fab, who else can play at right back.?
Actually i thought Joe Gomez was pretty good at right back, but we never persevered with him there because he was never going to get in ahead of Trent.
Divock looks like he has won all he wants at this club and is just treading water now til something else comes along. he is not that old is he ?
Would a nil nil see us top the group?

[RedNoodle]

I think we need to win and Ajax not win to guarantee progressing/topping the group.

[miller0863]

Well that reminded me of one of our away games in the group stages from previous seasons. Utter gash.

And I really don’t know who told Jurgen Neco Williams was anywhere near ready to play in the first team but they were having a laugh.

Rhys looks ok, Tsimikas is fitting in ok considering he’s not played for so long or much at all in a red shirt.
You often see this when the manager signals where the game is in his thinking by resting and rotating, it takes the edge off those who start.

[ianlfc]

Considering the changes we've done well. Get to 60 minutes then bring on the big guns and we'll win easily.
The Greek and Williams at centrehalf look comfortable.

[Nineteenx]

I think there'll be a couple of subs at HT

[southernboy]

Admittedly I’ve just finished a 10 hour shift, but I nodded off during that first half.

[miller0863]

He may rest Sadio and bring on Jota but that won’t help for this game, if we were wanting a result from this game we’d put Jota on for Origi and move Milner to right back, bringing Fabinho into the midfield

[Nineteenx]

Second half imminent, Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, let's be A LOT better this half, get the win and another vital 3 points here tonight

[miller0863]

No changes at half time.

Grief

[miller0863]

I do hope Div finds a decent club

[RedNoodle]

No changes at half time.

Grief

Did you really expect any? This is Klopp we're talking about here.

[Insidious]

I think Minamino is symptomatic of our issues during our slump, too many really good promising players thought they'd made it when they arrived, he hasn't shown even one glimpse of the 2 excellent displays he produced against us in the Champions League

To be fair we will be playing him a different way.

You only need to look at Wijnaldum's goal-scoring record with us compared to that of Holland - 11 in 16 or something for Holland, which isn't far off the 10 in 13 Salah has with us this season, yet hardly gets a goal for us due to his different role.

That's not to say that Taki doesn't need to show more for us - as he certainly does.

[Steveo]

Jota coming on... maybe not - Bobby and Fab warming up.

Would bring on all 3 personally

[miller0863]

Jones poor this time

[Insidious]

Jota coming on

He had a lot of fun in the first game against the Italians.

Getting the European job done tonight would be wonderful.

[Steveo]

Could put this to bed and play a full team of kids last 2. Can understand Klopp’s problem though. Does he go all in or play it safe...?

[Nineteenx]

Quadruple change imminent, Looks like Jota, Bobby, Fabinho and Robbo all coming on

[miller0863]

Jota, Fab and Bobby all coming on

[Kev0909]

we're rather safe considering ajax v atalanta next eitherway

[RedNoodle]

Tsimikas gets booked.

[CCTV]

Firmino, Fabinho & Jota warming up....

[Steveo]

A touch of the Moreno’s about Tsimikas. He has been good - but looks a little rash at times

[Crimson Dynasty]

Looks like Klopp's had enough.

He's bringing on the big guns in Firmino,, Jota, Fabhino and Andy.

[Nineteenx]

1-0 to Atalanta, Jurgen waits too long when he should have made the changes at HT or at least 2 of them

[Insidious]

Oh Dear.

That scuppers the plan a touch.

[CCTV]

Poor from Mane

[miller0863]

Good goal by Atalanta and we get what we deserve

[RedNoodle]

FFS!!! :mad:

[Steveo]

Typical Klopp waited too long and they score.

Now they all come on to chase a game.

Poor from the manager

[southernboy]

Well, we can’t say we don’t deserve to be behind. Pretty shocking all round. I do wonder at times whether Klopp is making some kind of statement about the amount of games we are playing.

[CCTV]

Ilicic isit

[miller0863]

Klopp’s selection did not go at all well

[Kev0909]

Not bothered basically qualified anyway worst that'll happen us 2nd instead of 1st

Origi wouldn't get into the championship with that work rate

he's beyond useless for us, attitude stinks

[Nineteenx]

Fabinho on for Gini, Bobby on for Origi, Robbo on for Tsimikas, Jota on for Mo

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get yourselves level here now

[Crimson Dynasty]

They've deserved that to be fair.

We've looked like shite all game and we can't have any complaints.

If Atalanta were more clinical, they'd be 3 or 4-0 up by now.

[RedNoodle]

I had a feeling they were about to score.

[miller0863]

Can’t believe he’s left Neco on

[CCTV]

Alisson nearly got to it

[Nineteenx]

Fuck off with the short corner bollocks, Robbo's got a great delivery, should be going in the box every fucking time looking for Matip or Bobby

[RedNoodle]

Can’t believe he’s left Neco on

Some of his team selections, but especially his use of subs still leaves a bit to be desired.

[miller0863]

Dear dear me

[Crimson Dynasty]

Can’t believe he’s left Neco on

....and took Tsimikas off.

[Kev0909]

they think it's all over

it is now

[CCTV]

2-0 ffs

[Steveo]

Made subs that leaves us almost as short

And now it’s 2 nil

Dreadful management. When he goes wrong he really goes wrong

[RedNoodle]

Oh FFS!!!!!! :mad:

If we're going to be poor, hey we may as well go the whole hog.

[miller0863]

Free in the middle of our box 7 yards out that’s criminal

Jurgen’s fault I’m afraid

[Artisan]

Serves us right.

[Insidious]

Dear dear me

Atalanta are a very dangerous outfit.

Group is wide open now. Very avoidable if we had fielded a stronger team or if the subs had gotten on before the first goal but that is history now.

What can we do with 24 minutes plus stoppage time?

[Nineteenx]

2-0 too easy, this has been piss poor, way too many changes to start with, should have started stronger

[RedNoodle]

Made subs that leaves us almost as short

And now it’s 2 nil

Dreadful management

As I said, he's great at many things/ However certain team selections such as tonight's, and definitely his use of subs are not two of them.

[Steveo]

No less than Atalanta deserve to be fair.

[southernboy]

We never do it the easy way do we?

I’m afraid this one is on Klopp.

[Nineteenx]

Corner here, put it in the box ffs

[Kev0909]

Ajax at home next and away to the worst team in the competition probably last game

I'm not worried drama queens ahoy

do you think he wanted to put this team out?

injury's and games have piled up, it is what it is

us fans have become very spoilt

[Nineteenx]

We never do it the easy way do we?

I’m afraid this one is on Klopp.

It certainly is so far, guilty of playing fantasy football in this one

[RedNoodle]

What makes this even more annoying is that combined with the almost certain Ajax result, we're not going to be able to rest some of our players, which wouldn't have been great/looked good at the best of times, never mind given the current hoo-ha over fixture congestion and scheduling.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Jota's shown more fight and spirit in the 5 minutes he's been on than the entire 10 outfield players who were there for the first half did for that entire half and before the substitutions.

We look instantly more dangerous whenever he gets on the ball and gets on his bike.

[miller0863]

What a terrible first touch by Bobby

[Steveo]

That is twice already they have left one on Jota.

[CCTV]

Bobby with a heavy touch in the box

[faridtoxteth]

Who was Robbo doing his nut at?

[RedNoodle]

Zero shots on target so far. That is seriously p.poor.

[teesred]

Made subs that leaves us almost as short

And now it’s 2 nil

Dreadful management. When he goes wrong he really goes wrong
Whole selection smacks of arrogance.
You cannot put a team out like that when you need to win the game to make sure. Its risk taking, not massively as we'll still go through but still risk all the same whilst all the other English team qualify before us after we looked like pissing the group.

[miller0863]

Not one effort on target by us at home against a team we beat 5-0 away.

No, no complacency here...

[Kev0909]

Most of the team don't care, so don't get your blood pressure's up

[Nineteenx]

No idea why it was necessary to start Origi tbh, Bobby and Jota have both had more rest than Mane or Mo and he started both

[miller0863]

Christ on a bike, I could have put a better cross in than that

[Crimson Dynasty]

To be fair to Klopp, you can't really blame him for having had one eye on the Brighton game and trying to manage his available resources accordingly.
It's just that what we have on the shelf in terms of our squad depth is really lacking.

I would argue the Brighton game is more important to win than this one, as we've virtually already qualified for the last 16 (with a point that we surely should be able to pick up in one of our last two games) in the CL.
In the league, considering the congested period coming up, we need to pick up maximum points wherever we can and the Brighton game would qualify as such (especially with a big Spuds game coming up not long after that).

I reckon Klopp probably saw it the same way.

[Nineteenx]

15 minutes to score at least 2 Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, need to pull one back now

[teesred]

No idea why it was necessary to start Origi tbh, Bobby and Jota have both had more rest than Mane or Mo and he started both

Origi is now a waste of a selection. He just does not want to know. Needs to be shipped out.

[Crimson Dynasty]

No idea why it was necessary to start Origi tbh, Bobby and Jota have both had more rest than Mane or Mo and he started both

Two words:...


Shop.

Window.

[miller0863]

It was obvious to everyone when we saw the line up, unfortunately that included the starting 11

[Steveo]

Two words:...


Shop.

Window.

Hope it was worth it.

Mané has spent half the evening on the floor BTW

[Nineteenx]

To be fair to Klopp, you can't really blame him for having had one eye on the Brighton game and trying to manage his available resources accordingly.

So why starts Mane and Mo and leave out both Jota and Bobby when they've played less than Mane and Mo?

[Kev0909]

Origi is now a waste of a selection. He just does not want to know. Needs to be shipped out.

Attitude stinks not seen a player be such a shithouse for us

[Crimson Dynasty]

Hope it was worth it.

I'll let you know in January.

(*...if we can convince the Barcodes or Cardiff or some other lot to take him off our hands)

[Steveo]

Attitude stinks not seen a player be such a shithouse for us

Don’t blame him. Klopp has treated him like shit

[Nineteenx]

Two words:...


Shop.

Window.

Shop window? Should have got shut in the summer

[LEGS]

Its a shocker tonight but we are still in a strong position to go through.

Need to hold your hands up we've been totally outplayed.

[miller0863]

Really poor, as bad as away at Villa.

[Steveo]

Expect a rant from Jurgen at FT.

80 mins at home 0 shots on target FFS

[RedNoodle]

Need legs on there.

He has his detractors but that's a game for Minamino.


Well send him a PM and see if he can get to Anfield before the second half kicks off.


Its a shocker tonight but we are still in a strong position to go through.

Need to hold your hands up we've been totally outplayed.

You obviously couldn't get to Anfield in time then. A pity as we could have done with you tonight.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Shop window? Should have got shut in the summer

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda,.....

I should have bought that red Ferrari while I was still in Uni, but alas.....

Now it would just look tacky and desperate.

[teesred]

Attitude stinks not seen a player be such a shithouse for us

Lazy fucker. Atleast look like you're interested, I'm amazed hes still there. Joyce said in the window he was going it didnt say where. I wonder what happened and where he was supposed to be going to.

[Kev0909]

Lazy fucker. Atleast look like you're interested, I'm amazed hes still there. Joyce said in the window he was going it didnt say where. I wonder what happened and where he was supposed to be going to.

who wants to buy him when he's like that?

that's the problem

[RedNoodle]

Expect a rant from Jurgen at FT.

80 mins at home 0 shots on target FFS

He should do that whilst looking in a mirror if he's going to have a rant at anyone tonight.

[Nineteenx]

Don’t blame him. Klopp has treated him like shit

How has he treated him like shit? He has given him every opportunity, more than enough opportunities over 4 years to work hard to develop and earn more minutes, he's never worked hard enough or been good enough

[Kev0909]

I feel for ajax fans, they'll be hating us atm haha

[Crimson Dynasty]

We.
Still.
Haven't.
Had
A shot.
On Target.


84th Minute.

Shameful.

[teesred]

who wants to buy him when he's like that?

that's the problem

There will still be clubs who'll take him despite the way hes looked recently. I get what Steveo says about him being treated poorly but playing without effort and commitment whilst at LFC will do him no favours.

[Nineteenx]

Minamino on for Matip

[Kev0909]

Minamino on for Matip

I'm sure he'll make a difference with 6 mins to go

[RedNoodle]

What is the point of bringing Minamino on with five minutes left to play? I can tell you for a fact that doing such a thing really pees sportspeople off.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Minamino on for Matip

Now we (really) know that Klopp is having a laugh.

[miller0863]

That terrible ball by Mané about sums up our performance

[teesred]

How has he treated him like shit? He has given him every opportunity, more than enough opportunities over 4 years to work hard to develop and earn more minutes, he's never worked hard enough or been good enough

At the end of the say I said at the time I have no idea why he signed a new deal last summer. He knew he wasnt going to get as many games as he wanted and he could have got a big club deal elsewhere last summer whilst his stock was at its highest. It's very surprising FSG didnt cash in on him.

[Steveo]

How has he treated him like shit? He has given him every opportunity, more than enough opportunities over 4 years to work hard to develop and earn more minutes, he's never worked hard enough or been good enough

That simply isn’t true at all. Certainly won’t look like that if you are Divock.

He stood up every time we needed him - stood up and delivered often when getting a few minutes here and there. He was never given a run of games. I can understand why he isn’t motivated in a red shirt now. No matter what he does. He is on the bench next game.

Christ Bobby can be the worst player on the pitch - game after game but he is given time. Origi was never given that.

[miller0863]

Midget land will fancy their chances after this performance

[Nineteenx]

Very bad day at the office from Jurgen, why switch Jota and Mane when they played so well in the game v Leicester?

[RedNoodle]

Midget land will fancy their chances after this performance

On this evidence the staff of my local 'Pound Land' would fancy their chances.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Mané's been terrible for a while now and far below his usual standards (not just this game)

The complaint was usually that Salah is too selfish and he wastes a lot of the chances he could have passed to Mané in particular, and yet he's started the last game and played a good portion of this one without Salah on the field and all he's shown is that perhaps Mo is right to try to take those shots himself rather than pass.

[justme]

Minamino has to learn you cant stand still and try and control with your back to goal.. your gonna get caught all the time. he needs to run towards the ball a bit and then try and control it.

[RedNoodle]

Zero shots on target. That was a major **** show make no mistake.

[Balinkay]

That was spectacularly bad.

Ah well... beat the Danes and don't lose against Ajax and we're golden.

On to BHA.

[Pigsy]

Superb from Atalanta, we were woeful. Thoroughly deserved.

Worst performance from Mane for years, heads weren’t on the whole game. Credit to the Italians, they wanted it far more.

[Artisan]

Klopp tinkering too much, should have started with the same squad, to keep some continuity and then if we go ahead rest players. I'll forgive him...

[LEGS]

Still should go through one win does it.

Rhys played well for us MOM for us.

I expect us to be sharper on Saturday play like this we'll lose again.

[CCTV]

Full time 0-2

Groups fairly open now

[miller0863]

Well I’m not very often disappointed in Klopp and he has his reasons but that was just awful.

Go strong, win it, qualify and rest players. Now he has no choice, he has to play his best available 11 against Ajax, making resting players tonight a pointless exercise

[justme]

Terrible performance.. I think our mentality from the first minute was wrong. It was to keep in the game and try and win the match when our better forwards come on..We just caught cold..
When we start with good intensity it does lead to better over all performances anyway just need a draw at home to Ajax that should do it..

[miller0863]

Dunno Legs, he lost his man for their second.

[justme]

Be back laters, need to watch summat on tv :)..

[miller0863]

And ffs no more Neco and sell Origi in Jan

[ianlfc]

One of those nights, with a eye on Saturday.
We go again .

[CCTV]

Lay off the flix Mane


Well I’m not very often disappointed in Klopp and he has his reasons but that was just awful.

Go strong, win it, qualify and rest players. Now he has no choice, he has to play his best available 11 against Ajax, making resting players tonight a pointless exercise

Was an odd approach.

5 subs and we play both Milner/Williams for 90 mins

Was like a rest night otherwise

[LEGS]

Dunno Legs, he lost his man for their second.

Dont worry he was just fitting in with the rest of em !

Origi was by far the worse at least Neco tried.

[justincredible]

3 games in 6 days and a Saturday lunchtime kick off coming up is extracting the urine in fairness. I can see why Klopp did what he did.
Atalanta played brilliantly and we, poorly. It happens and as much as it would have been nice to wrap the group up tonight it wasn't to be. Still in control though, and that's what matters.

[Nineteenx]

Not one shot on target, absolutely zero switches, you suspected our midfield actually having a good performance in Captain fantastic Hendo's absence was likely a one off freak occurrence

On Jurgen tonight, too many changes, Neco simply shouldn't be anywhere near a Liverpool first 11, if he was starting Mane and Mo then absolutely no reason not to start either Bobby or Jota with them, midfield was shite, created absolutely fuck all, no switches to release Tsimikas or Mane, just an incredibly poor, inept performance

I completely understand resting Robbo, with Keita injured not much else he could have done with midfield, could have played Minamino at RCM or given the young lad a game with Milner at RB which surely would have been better than starting Neco, what I really don't get was leaving out both Jota and Bobby and playing Origi

I really don't think Neco should be anywhere near any Liverpool 11, Jurgen likes players to be brave with the ball, he urgently needs to explain the difference between brave and foolhardy to Neco

[Kev0909]

Dunno why people care or worry, we lost life goes on, rather lose in this group than in the league at the weekend

I'm sure we can get a draw against the mighty danes

[Steveo]

Dunno why people care or worry, we lost life goes on, rather lose in this group than in the league at the weekend

I'm sure we can get a draw against the mighty danes

Yes in the grand scheme of things this is bang on the money.

Just don’t want us to lose that confidence. Klopp risked that tonight.

[SydneyLFC]

Rubbish pick from Klopp - should’ve gone hard and seal the deal and rested players over next 2 games - big mistake. Don’t understand manager's thinking - crap 1st half and then you still have to bring on reinforcements as they have to push - better to win convincingly and then put the subs on. Poor decision making.

[Kev0909]

Yes in the grand scheme of things this is bang on the money.

Just don’t want us to lose that confidence. Klopp risked that tonight.

I'm just happy we got no more injury's tbh

[Nineteenx]

That cunt Richarlieson has a lot to answer for, it's been a huge miss not having Thiago available, the cunt knobbled Matip last season by deliberately landing on his foot with his studs, bad enough having players out with tweaks and strains and a couple of serious injuries without missing a midfielder for 8 games because there are cunts like Richarlieson in the game

[LEGS]

Rubbish pick from Klopp - should’ve gone hard and seal the deal and rested players over next 2 games - big mistake. Don’t understand manager's thinking - crap 1st half and then you still have to bring on reinforcements as they have to push - better to win convincingly and then put the subs on. Poor decision making.

He is probably thinking about Saturday and what medical staff have told him.

He is probably worried about injuries but he wont admit that.

I think the 5-0 has kind of clouded our fanbase expectations these are a good side QF last season, we are better than them obviously but if you have 7/8 really off it this happens.

I look at it as a learning curve for the youngsters but we should win one of last two games.

[SydneyLFC]

That cunt Richarlieson has a lot to answer for, it's been a huge miss not having Thiago available, the cunt knobbled Matip last season by deliberately landing on his foot with his studs, bad enough having players out with tweaks and strains and a couple of serious injuries without missing a midfielder for 8 games because there are cunts like Richarlieson in the game

can't have it both ways, really. Great game against Leic. with existing squad and then bemoaning historical injury. Klopp's pick were wrong and the players failed to perform.

[southernboy]

I really hope Milner is fit for the weekend, because we definitely need him at right back. Three games in six days is a lot to ask of a bloke who’s nearly 40.

I actually didn’t think the Italians were that great tonight; we were just fucking awful from start to finish.

[SydneyLFC]

He is probably thinking about Saturday and what medical staff have told him.

He is probably worried about injuries but he wont admit that.

I think the 5-0 has kind of clouded our fanbase expectations these are a good side QF last season, we are better than them obviously but if you have 7/8 really off it this happens.

I look at it as a learning curve for the youngsters but we should win one of last two games.

you're right - almost everything written on the forum is supposition and venting. I'm venting but I do subscribe to the notion that when the "better" players see so many junior players, unconsciously their performance drops. It shouldn't but they're human.

[Nineteenx]

As ever all the focus on the next game, picking our best available 11 this time and showing our usual respect for the opposition, fighting like hell for everything, get the win and another vital 3 points

[miller0863]

Yep just watched the goals again and zero closing down from Neco to even attempt to stop the ball coming into the box and Rhys totally at fault for the second.
This is the Champions League after all not an U23 match where you learn the game as a youngster. Always a risk bring inexperienced youngsters in for such a game. Milner at RB Fab in at CB and we don’t concede either goal.

[miller0863]

You’re right Syd, I said exactly that after about 15 minutes

[teesred]

Minamino has to learn you cant stand still and try and control with your back to goal.. your gonna get caught all the time. he needs to run towards the ball a bit and then try and control it.

He's shite. End of. We're getting nothing from him.

[LEGS]

you're right - almost everything written on the forum is supposition and venting. I'm venting but I do subscribe to the notion that when the "better" players see so many junior players, unconsciously their performance drops. It shouldn't but they're human.

We'll be ok ideally we beat Ajax and then chuck out the kids against the Danes as im not bothered if we top the group or not.

Hopefully Hendo/Thiago are back soon that makes us far stronger.

[miller0863]

Jurgen very honest in his post match assessment.

Capped off with with a nice little dig at BT, congratulations to BT for having our game on at 12:00 on Saturday

[teesred]

Well I’m not very often disappointed in Klopp and he has his reasons but that was just awful.

Go strong, win it, qualify and rest players. Now he has no choice, he has to play his best available 11 against Ajax, making resting players tonight a pointless exercise

110%.
Win tonight and then give the fringe players their minutes. A complete arse first excercise and very frustrating. If we do lose against Ajax ( which lets face it isnt totally unheard of in the CL) we are sweating on the last game.
There are no easy games in this competition.

[SydneyLFC]

On the positives - more info about players - Origi shouldn't play again, Minamino won't make the grade, Milner before Neco every time, Mane probably needs a rest not Bobby.

[Kev0909]

On the positives - more info about players - Origi shouldn't play again, Minamino won't make the grade, Milner before Neco every time, Mane probably needs a rest not Bobby.

Heyyyyy

if we get rid of

Origi
Keita
Minamino
Ox
Shaqiri

And the rest on loan atm

We might be able to get haaland!

Clear-out is kinda needed on a serious

[justme]

He's shite. End of. We're getting nothing from him.

I kinda agree, hopefully get 25 million for him from Bournemouth in the summer if they get promoted.

[Crimson Dynasty]

I really hope Milner is fit for the weekend, because we definitely need him at right back. Three games in six days is a lot to ask of a bloke who’s nearly 40.

I actually didn’t think the Italians were that great tonight; we were just fucking awful from start to finish.


I thought he was closer to 30 than 40.

And even then he's still fitter than more than half to squad if not most of it.

[eggy81]

Fuck it. Sack the cunt.

[skyebo]

Just seen the line ups from the game. How far down the pecking order was their keeper ? Number 95 he was.

[southernboy]

I thought he was closer to 30 than 40.

And even then he's still fitter than more than half to squad if not most of it.

34 I think mate.

[southernboy]

Klopp: "We made five changes. In the end it didn't work out. In the end, I would do it again.”

First sign of madness?

[Insidious]

Klopp: "We made five changes. In the end it didn't work out. In the end, I would do it again.”

First sign of madness?

To be fair to him, he probably looks at the fact we had the subs basically ready in the 58th/59th while it was 0-0.

If we get them on and it's still level, we maybe win the game 1-0 and can relax. It wasn't to be.

Not to say we can't begrudge how the night panned out mind. Hopefully Brighton and Ajax can be success stories in terms of both the results and a lack of further injury woes. Don't really want to have to go to the last match for qualification and certainly don't want the Europa League this season.

[teesred]

Klopp: "We made five changes. In the end it didn't work out. In the end, I would do it again.”

First sign of madness?

It's just a momentary lapse of reason. Understandable considering our injuries but I feel it was a bit arrogant to think that line up could win the game in the CL. You can rarely get away with it.
I get that weve got injuries but a player could get injured against BHA or Ajax. If a player is fit they are fit. Play to win your next game, I dont see how BHA is more important that Atalanta at this point in time.

[justincredible]

I can understand the frustration with last night's lineup and result and most certainly the performance from most of the players. But, let's look at things from Klopp's point of view. The room for error at the top of the PL is tiny.
The room for error in the group stages of the CL is more open. You can lose 3 games and still easily qualify, as we have seen many times.
BT's scheduled Saturday lunchtime kick off got a reaction from Klopp and it didn't work out as we hoped it would. Let's move on and hopefully get the result we need against Ajax and put the thing to bed.

[ianlfc]

12 games in 41 days may have been a factor in the line up.

[Nineteenx]

To be fair Jurgen didn't have much choice to rest a few, given Mane and Mo have both played more minutes than Jota and Bobby i didn't really get why he rested the latter