Liverpool v West Brom (Match Thread)

[RedNoodle]

Liverpool

Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson, Jones, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Salah, Firmino, Mane.

Subs: Kelleher, R Williams, Phillips, N Williams, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaqiri, Minamino, Origi.

West Brom

Johnstone, Furlong, Ajayi, O’Shea, Gibbs, Gallagher, Sawyers, Phillips, Robinson, Diangana, Grant.

Subs: Button, Ivanovic, Peltier, Grosicki, Harper, Krovinovic, Edwards, Pereira, Austin.

Referee

Kevin Friend.

[Nineteenx]

Alisson

Trent Matip Fabinho Robertson

Jones Henderson Wijnaldum

Salah Firmino Mane

Let's be as good as we can possibly be today, continue the creativity and absolutely ruthless clinical finishing of the Palace game, get the win and another vital 3 points here today

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get the win and another vital 3 points here today

[HLOGI]

Come on you Reds.

[TheDOC1979]

Keita with another fitness issue ffs. Lads on borrowed time now and needs replacing. Really wanted him to do well, but this is just taking the piss now

[justme]

Nice solid start and take it from there

[LEGS]

Keita with another fitness issue ffs. Lads on borrowed time now and needs replacing. Really wanted him to do well, but this is just taking the piss now

Yeah good player but it’s getting ridiculous plus makes it harder with him not being homegrown taking up a foreign squad place.

Sounds harsh but it’s true it’s isnt just him Shaqiri is another good player but he can’t stay fit.

[Nineteenx]

Kick off imminent Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, be bang at it right from the off, be as ruthless and clinical as in the last game, get the win here today and another vital 3 points

[RedNoodle]

Keita with another fitness issue ffs. Lads on borrowed time now and needs replacing. Really wanted him to do well, but this is just taking the piss now

The thing could be a sticking point with getting rid is that how much would we/FSG recoup given that a) He hasn't played that much and when he has he's not 'set the world alight, and b) Current events and the fact that there currently isn't as much sloshing around as there was?

Would FSG rather take a possible big hit on a player, or hold onto them hoping they come good, or at least have a brief period of increased playing time/form which means they'll recoup more money? I'd say the latter is more likely.

[RedNoodle]

Come on the Reds!!!!! Give me something to 'smile' about in the cesspit that is my life.

[Insidious]

Can foresee West Brom regretting conceding so much space to Henderson.

[Steveo]

So close there Salah just needed a touch

[Steveo]

Maneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Control and finish - nobody better

[miller0863]

Lovely finish from Sadio

[3underpar]

Beautiful Mane

[RedNoodle]

Lovely finish from Sadio

Thanks for the spoiler Miller. My Xmas is now complete.

[Nineteenx]

Booooooooooooooooooooooom get the fucking FUCK in 1-0 Maneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lovely assist from Matip too, his second assist in 2 games

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, good start, get yourselves a quick fire second here now

[Balinkay]

Peak Kaka... err Matip with a tremendous pass. Sublime control from Mane and a lovely finish. Great goal.

[Insidious]

One more and let's start thinking about wrapping it up.

[miller0863]

Sorry Noods

[3underpar]

That was exactly how to beat a back six. Fuck em

[Nineteenx]

Corner here come on Matip come on Bobby

[RedNoodle]

Sorry Noods

No need to apologise. It just summed up my Xmas/life. I should have know better than to keep refreshing the thread, but then again this site/you lot is the most interaction I have with anyone, online or offline.

[Steveo]

We need to score another with all these chances.could have scored 3 already. We know what can happen if you waste them

[miller0863]

So so close to Sadio’s second

[RedNoodle]

We could have had half a dozen goals so far with the number of times we've been inches away from a player getting a toe onto the end of a ball played across the box.

[Crimson Dynasty]

This game is just an exercise in "Break down the Back 6"

[miller0863]

Could have had a hat trick

[Steveo]

Lovely ball from Hendo and Mane nearly heads in a second. Then Mané misses another one from 5 yards.

I hope we don’t rue these misses

[Crimson Dynasty]

Sadio really looking up for it, today.

[Nineteenx]

Right! Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get back to being mercilessly clinical here now, could and should have had 3 or 4 already, put the thing in the back of their fucking net again now

[Crimson Dynasty]

Could have had a hat trick

Could have had four by now.

Easy.

Just barely missed another.

[Insidious]

Incredible control of this match. Reminds you of watching Bayern games and that's our level now.

Need to convert more but we are doing well.

[Steveo]

Incredible control of this match. Reminds you of watching Bayern games and that's our level now.

Need to convert more but we are doing well.

Agreed

[Crimson Dynasty]

Fat Sam bringing on the anti-football on giant Extra-strength steroids.

Crikey!
At one point they actually had EIGHT players at the backline.

EIGHT!!!

[Nineteenx]

Corner here, come on Matip come on Bobby

[Nineteenx]

Free kick here, come the FUCK on Trent, put this away now, about time you started weighing in with a few

[Steveo]

Well wide

[Steveo]

Somebody needs to put one in the net. We should be 4 up

[Nineteenx]

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, nick yourselves a second here now, urgency urgency urgency and clinicality

[miller0863]

85% possession in the opening half hour but only one of our eight efforts on target

[Nineteenx]

Free kick here, fucks sake Trent bury this one or let Robbo plant it on one of our lads heads

[miller0863]

One of our nine efforts...

[Steveo]

Ooooh Salah with a lovely control and strike. Close but over.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Being behind 1-0 is a scoreline that really flatters the Brummies.
It really does.

They've had zero shots, full stop. Let alone on target.

They are not even making a pretense of trying to make a game out of this, and if anything the score speaks more to our lack of clinicalness* in front of goal
(*yes, that's not a word. But I invented it and it is one now. Deal with it!)

[Steveo]

Not liking the look of this game right now

[Crimson Dynasty]

If there's one negative to Curtis Jones game its that he pointlessly overcomplicates things for himself far to often and loses the ball as a result.

[RedNoodle]

Like I keep saying, he needs to work on/improve his 'end product'.

[Steveo]

We are wasting every attack. Too blasé at the moment. Fat Sam is priming his HT team talk as we speak.

Come on get another goal FFS!

[Nineteenx]

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, looking far too relaxed and comfortable with this, more urgency, nick yourselves a second goal here before the break now

[Taksin]

Great play

More dominant than against Tottenham

[miller0863]

I know it’s difficult but the genuine chances have really dried up. Need someone to smash one in from distance

[Crimson Dynasty]

Fat Sam will be very very pleased to go into the half with the score only 1-0 down.

Totally flatters his team's performance.

[Steveo]

Offside but West Brom got in there.

Only 1:0

We should have been 4 up before the half hour

[teesred]

We are wasting every attack. Too blasé at the moment. Fat Sam is priming his HT team talk as we speak.

Come on get another goal FFS!

Agree. We are making hard work of it. Way too slack and sloppy up front and need to be much sharper.

[miller0863]

Yep. What’s poor is, 1 in 10 attempts on target. We really need to get that second goal ASAP to put this to bed.

[boom-klopp]

trent needs to be dropped for neco. been horrendous for months.

[RedNoodle]

I know it’s difficult but the genuine chances have really dried up. Need someone to smash one in from distance

Our players are either reluctant to do so, or they have been instructed not to take too many long shots. It's something that the likes of Henderson should be doing a bit more frequently.

[Insidious]

A good half. A very good half actually.

But we have to be 2 goals clear after being that dominant. That type of failure to convert can be a killer in Europe.

[Nineteenx]

Decent-ish half, a bit disappointing with the lack of converting some very good chances and a lack of urgency being too comfortable and happy with 1-0 at times, Trent needs to start delivering far better, he needs to get back that supreme focus and absolute care and precision he used to put the ball in with and strike each and every ball with

Over to Jurgen as ever to work his half time magic and make sure we're A LOT better second half, particularly in putting our chances away

[Crimson Dynasty]

Not happy to be only 1-0 up, if I'm to be honest.


This is setting up as the type of game where we get hit by an 88th minute Suckerpunch in a smash-and-grab, if we're not too careful and continue to be wasteful with our chances.

[justme]

Very good half,need to do better in the final 3rd.. though not easy.. west-brom are packed like a tin of sardines back there.

[RedNoodle]

Maybe we've been instructed to average out our 'shots on target' stats after the Crystal Palace game?

[Kev0909]

Once again how can you go from being so clinical against palace to this??

The usual suspects

Good job the rest of the league is rather poor

man this team shouldn't even be in the prem fucking awful

"best league in the world"

my ass it's filled with fucking pathetic teams

[faridtoxteth]

1 nil isn't much to show for that half. Imagine if it had been goal-less at half time. Such a dominant performance it's hard to pick out any one who is having a particularly good dame. Robbo and Sadio looking good down the left side.
Hope the ref is keeping an eye on their gamesmanship and fouling. Gallagher goes down everytime he loses the ball. Whenever they get a throw in they try to steal about 25 yards so they can get their 'long throw' tactic. And the wrestling in the box at set pieces.

[Taksin]

82% possession

They are working very hard to keep us out - that’s why there’s no openings. The goal we scored was incredibly well worked under the circumstances.

If they are happy with a one nil loss, so be it

[Crimson Dynasty]

This is the type of game that's crying out for a Lock-picker like Thiago and his pin-point passes.

But even that wouldn't be if any use if we still can't finish the chances we get, and despite his scoring our lone goal, I'm sorry to say that Mane's been one of the biggest culprits on this front with no less than 5 (other) gilt-edged chances he could have converted and capitalized on.

[Steveo]

Game is crying out for Jota.. Knows where the goal is...

Come on you reds - that thing with a net - put the ball in it please

[LEGS]

Hopefully we can grab an early goal this half then they will have to come out more.

[Nineteenx]

Second half imminent, Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, urgency urgency urgency, be completely and utterly ruthless and clinical this half, look to try and release Mane wide left to play Robbo in through the channel

[Steveo]

Hendo tries one - keeper flat footed but it’s wide.

In that Kop end net please

[Steveo]

Bobby with a dreadful return ball to Mo - otherwise it’s 2:0

[RedNoodle]

Bobby with a dreadful return ball to Mo - otherwise it’s 2:0

Are you trying to lure Kev onto the match thread?

[miller0863]

The absolute opposite to what we needed to start the half we’ve been awful

[miller0863]

Seriously West Brom bossing it. Come on lads we need to start playing again

[TheDOC1979]

The absolute opposite to what we needed to start the half we’ve been awful

When a bit of arrogance kicks in...

[Steveo]

Are you trying to lure Kev onto the match thread?

Nope just calling it as it is - simple return pass and it’s 2:0.

West Brom far more adventurous this far this half

[TheDOC1979]

These cute stupid attempts at passing need to stop.

[Steveo]

Matip down.

Yes Jurgen - you really don’t have the cover back there mate - no matter what any lunatic tries to te you. You just can’t call a Matip a player - he is a a player that can play 1 in 3 games a season.

[3underpar]

Matip groin

He can’t play more than two games before he’s reinjured with something

[Nineteenx]

Oh for fucks sake, Matip's tweaked his groin, he's been absolutely majestic too, I just wish we could keep him fit

[miller0863]

Matip in injury shock ...

[miller0863]

We need to buy a CB, no more fudging the issue

[southernboy]

Please score a second ffs

[Crimson Dynasty]

Shocking, this.


(.....not really).

[RedNoodle]

Yet more examples of why we need a bigger/better squad.

Will FSG get out the chequebook and back Klopp in January? I for one won't be holding my breath.

[Steveo]

Nope didn’t like the look of this game at 1:0 and 30 mins - even less so now

Klopp in the book

[HLOGI]

Players can't control injuries. Joel Matip is both brittle and unlucky. We have 3 or 4 of those. Ox, Matip, Keita. And May be Gomez. We really need to refresh our CB options as Matip is available maybe 20% of a season.

[Nineteenx]

Rhys Williams imminent

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, step it up here now, too casual, too relaxed, overplaying too much at times, move it quicker, play with A LOT more urgency, mix it up, try finding Mane and Mo in a bit of space to try and force the issue one v one looking to try and drive into the box

[TheDOC1979]

Another player that needs to go.

[miller0863]

Jurgen booked for his outburst

[Steveo]

Offside but Robbo mate - that shot has got to come quicker and with more conviction of you wanna be a genuine worldly

[miller0863]

As often happens in these games, we’ve dropped down almost to their level, then it gets scrappy and suddenly we’re playing their game

[Crimson Dynasty]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if managers get red-carded, do they also have to serve the subsequent three game suspensions as well, or is it just the ban from the touchline in the game in question?

[RedNoodle]

Jim Beglin "Matip seems a bit brittle at times".

At what times is he not brittle?

[Steveo]

Jim Beglin "Matip seems a bit brittle at times".

At what times is he not brittle?

The rare occasions he plays


Argh Mo has a good chance from a header - not easy but miles over. We need a finisher - who wants that goal...?

[miller0863]

Gaaa Mo that was an easy header mate

[Nineteenx]

Trent needs a fucking rocket, the care and focus he used to put into every single pass or ball played in has disappeared this season, too casual ,too cocky, given it away cheaply a few times today too, he really needs to get back on it

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get yourselves a second goal here now

[RedNoodle]

The rare occasions he plays


Argh Mo has a good chance from a header - not easy but miles over

Nope. He's still brittle, as him going off today clearly illustrated.

[Crimson Dynasty]

This game should be opening up for us now as West Brom commits more players forward, but when players like Trent keep losing the ball carelessly in possession under little pressure like he's done twice so far, we're just going to keep trudging mud in this.


Another wasted header by Mo.

[RedNoodle]

If we drop points here it's going to be a massive kick in the nuts, but one the players would have brought onto themselves.

[LFC-DPG]

Can see WBA getting a draw today

[Crimson Dynasty]

Trent needs a fucking rocket, the care and focus he used to put into every single pass or ball played in has disappeared this season, too casual ,too cocky, given it away cheaply a few times today too, he really needs to get back on it

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get yourselves a second goal here now


Just said the same thing meself.

He's been pretty awful since he returned from his injury and generally sub-standard since as far back as the restart even.

[Steveo]

Trent is having a total mare. Allows a free shot on the edge of our area and the Brom are getting closer and closer. Can’t see us getting anything from the ref now after Klopp’s outburst either..

[miller0863]

Another West Brom chance.

Boy are we desperate for a goal

[3underpar]

C’mon boys put this to bed

[RedNoodle]

That was too casual from Robertson.

[SydneyLFC]

Counter-intuitively, LFC seem to perform worse when they have a break. Pressure brings the best out of he squad, not an eight day pause. And if we draw this... I wouldn't be surprised.

[RedNoodle]

"Dramatic"?!?!? The guy deserves an Oscar. Has he been taking lessons from $t£rling?

[Steveo]

Should be 1:1. Alisson saves us

We aren’t creating anything without a FB overlap

Once again we are desperate for a strikerrrr

[miller0863]

Hmmm not good. Rhys Williams found wanting for pace and Alisson bails him out

[southernboy]

What happened to the team that thrashed palace. I can’t wait for this to be over, and I didn’t think I’d be saying that after we scored.

[3underpar]

What happened to the team that thrashed palace. I can’t wait for this to be over, and I didn’t think I’d be saying that after we scored.

Palace didn’t play a back six like WB has most weeks

[RedNoodle]

Should be 1:1. Alisson saves us

We aren’t creating anything without a FB overlap

Once again we are desperate for a strikerrrr

I'm going to keep saying this. We need a bigger/better squad. People think us getting Jota was enough. It's not/won't be unless we stop getting injuries and are very lucky.


FSG need to get out the chequebook, but knowing them they won't.

[Steveo]

What happened to the team that thrashed palace. I can’t wait for this to be over, and I didn’t think I’d be saying that after we scored.

Any team can hit a patch in a game where everything goes in. Happened for Villa v us.

What is clear though is that in many of our games we lack that clinical nature.

[3underpar]

Add new manager effect to WB. They can play defense, that’s about it

[Crimson Dynasty]

We're absolutely courting disaster here.


A second goal for us would calm nerves and peg West Brom back again, but it seems like no one wants to take the chance or the initiative.

[miller0863]

Trent not at it at all today

[SydneyLFC]

Trent not at it at all today

He's not been sound since he returned.

[Kev0909]

Back to some players being awful!

to be fair matip lasted longer than I thought!

[Steveo]

Robbo with a Sunday league lack of quality there. Corner WB

[Crimson Dynasty]

He's not been sound since the restart



Fixed that for you.

[Kev0909]

Get ox on

[3underpar]

Mo is the most predictable one footed player

[RedNoodle]

Robertson far too lax once again.

[miller0863]

What a mess

[TheDOC1979]

You know when Salah runs in the ball is going to be taken off him. Such shithousery this half

[Steveo]

Curtis Jones with the mistake and another corner to WB

1:1

Always on the cards

[HLOGI]

Curtis Jones needs to pass quicker. He also needs to drove quicker on a counter attack. Not his best game today.

[3underpar]

Jones wtf are you doing ?

[miller0863]

Been coming and that was all down to Curtis Jones I’m afraid

[3underpar]

Fucking Jones with the brain lapse to give that away in the first place

[miller0863]

Terrible performance this, terrible

[Nineteenx]

Ox imminent, one would expect for Jones who's been half decent, but wants too long and too many touches far too much of the time, needs to be made to play one and two touch all the time in training

And there it is 1-1 after a bit of casual sloppiness by Jones

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, get yourselves a second here now and there it is, Ox on for Jones

[Insidious]

Sickener that.

Been here before. Roughly 10 minutes if one of our lads want to be a Hero.

[RedNoodle]

Curtis Jones needs to pass quicker. He also needs to drove quicker on a counter attack. Not his best game today.

He still needs to work on a few things. Far too many were/are 'bigging him up' a bit too soon for my liking.

[Steveo]

Can we hold on for a point...?

[TheDOC1979]

Bunch of arrogance little cunts!

[Crimson Dynasty]

...and just like I said would happen.


Fucking great, Curtis Jones dribbling himself into disaster once again.


Fuck's sake!!!!

[Balinkay]

Hm, balls.

[RedNoodle]

And there we go.

What did I say? The players have nobody to blame but themselves.

If we actually had a squad befitting our 'status' we'd have a bit more quality and variety to call upon than we have.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Fucking Jones with the brain lapse to give that away in the first place

Not for the first time in this game, I might add.

[eggy81]

Looked offside

[HLOGI]

He still needs to work on a few things. Far too many were/are 'bigging him up' a bit too soon for my liking.

Agree.

[Steveo]

Jones was no more of a give away than Robbo’s was. In fact had Alisson been awake he could easily have stopped the corner. We just conceded the goal so Jones gets the shite.

Where we have been piss poor is up front. Only Mané genius move creates the goal. No real urgency or quality up top today.

[HLOGI]

Looked offside

It did. Var decision for our opposition is normally a quick check. Bit ours is an eternity.

[SydneyLFC]

Not surprised - typical of LFC not taking advantage of poor opponents or bad results for others.

[eggy81]

It did. Var decision for our opposition is normally a quick check. Bit ours is an eternity.
Didn’t even check offside by the looks. I reckon it was

[Nineteenx]

Quit fucking ambling forward with the ball when there's a fucking pass on and they haven't got their 11 back, play the fucking ball when it's on for fucks sake

[RedNoodle]

Time for a toilet break for either myself or Nineteenx.

[3underpar]

Jones was no more of a give away than Robbo’s was. We just conceded the goal.

Jones made the cardinal error of dribbling into the middle in front of goal when other options allow. That’s taught as a do not do it to ten year olds ffs.

Robbo was a tired deflection.

[miller0863]

Seriously Trent couldn’t cross the road today

[3underpar]

Mo trying far too hard

[miller0863]

Oh Bobby should have won it!!

[Crimson Dynasty]

All those chances that Mane missed in the first half just coming back to haunt us in just about the style I predicted.


Why even bother bringing Origi on now?
Is Klopp taking the piss?

[Insidious]

Has the feeling of that match in 08/09. West Ham was it, where we got a 0-0 draw?

[3underpar]

And Ox is a waste

[TheDOC1979]

Fuck off Mo, what are you trying to do dribble through everyone!

[Nineteenx]

Origi on for Bobby

Come on come on come ON Liverpool, come the fucking FUCK on Liverpool, nick yourselves a late late goal here now

[Steveo]

So close from Bobby - is that his first attempt? Great save to be fair

Origi replaces him

[Nineteenx]

Oh Bobby should have won it!!

Great save to be fair

[HLOGI]

Seems the boys don't like winning the League at a canter. They are craving a tight finish thos season. 🤔😂

[3underpar]

What a joke Ox

[miller0863]

Missed Thiago and Jota today.

[boom-klopp]

curtis jones really is dogshit.

[3underpar]

Got Big Sam’d

[Insidious]

Seriously Trent couldn’t cross the road today

We have crossed it far too many times for my liking in this game.

A wonderful weapon but one-two give-and-goes are bloody useful as well.

Difficult when so congested to be fair.

[RedNoodle]

Missed Thiago and Jota today.

Injuries happen, which is one of the main reasons you need a big squad full of quality.

[southernboy]

Appalling from Robertson

[miller0863]

And that final cross from Robbo sums up our afternoon.
Bad day at the office.

[Steveo]

2 points dropped as I suspected they would be.

[eggy81]

Bad second half. Disappointing

[RedNoodle]

Appalling from Robertson

He's been lax all game. I hope Klopp gives him and the others a major bollocking.

[miller0863]

WTF??? A short corner when it’s the last kick?? FFS how fuckin lame was that???

[southernboy]

Klopp to line the team up in front of the kop after a draw with WBA? Thought not.

[jr81]

And that final cross from Robbo sums up our afternoon.
Bad day at the office.

Needed the 2nd in the 1st half when we were on top. Very poor 2nd half from us.

No idea how to break them down and too slow with our passing and movement.

4 points dropped to Fulham and west Brom. Not good.

[Crimson Dynasty]

This is what happens when you try to nurse a 1-0 lead for 70+ minutes.

We got what we deserved.

Absolute dogshite served in that second half with some players fully deserving of the stick they'll get.

I fucking hate Sam Allardyce teams.

[TheDOC1979]

We need another CB so Fabinho can go back into Midfield and get wijnaldum out of the starting 11. He brings nothing to our team. Sorry for all those that slurp his crap up. But he offers us nothing going forward at all.

Awful half of football from a bunch of arrogant fuckers.

[Balinkay]

They deserved it, fair enough - can't win them all. Can't help but feel Thiago was brought in exactly for this sort of game.

Stupid goal to concede, no clue what Jones was planning with that ridiculous dribble, but them's the errors of growth - he'll learn from this.

Let's hope Matip's ok, as him getting injured again would be terrible.

[RedNoodle]

I should have known. I knew BFS would throw a spanner in the works and make my Xmas even more horrific than it already has been. :mad:

[miller0863]

3 points from Fulham, Brighton and West Brom.
Wow

[justme]

what an utter laughable performance that was in the second half. they took everything for granted.. I don't usually complain. but the arrogance in the second half is unnaceptable.

[Artisan]

Would love to see the VAR on the off-side shout, strange it wasn't shown or did i miss something?

[LEGS]

It is what it is really it reminds me of the Burnley game exactly the same.

We aren’t going to win every game what is weird is they have drew with us, Chelsea and City but obviously lost to the dross.

Hopefully WBA and Burnley go down they shouldnt be playing in the top league with tactics of giving the ball to the opponents all the time.

[Steveo]

Didn’t create a single chance all day that wasn’t a mistake or a CB overlap. Not one... Still we had good opportunities to score in the first 20 and we couldn’t hit the fridge door from 9 inches.

[RedNoodle]

Hopefully that will calm some down when it comes to Curtis Jones. Far too often a player shows a small glimpse of promise and people (especially the media) go into overdrive and start ****ing over them as if they are the new Maradona.

Calm it down until they've actually proved themselves over a reasonable period of time.

[jr81]

3 points from Fulham, Brighton and West Brom.
Wow
3 draws from that gives us 5 draws overall. That's the difference to last year. Last year we don't concede to these teams. But with he 2 CBs out we are more prone to conceding.
In fairness, considering our injuries we are doing really well. In my opinion of course 😊

[miller0863]

Trent and Mo were particularly bad in a collective shocker of a performance from all concerned except Alisson

[Kop On Portugal]

The last cross from Robertson and this last corner suums it all. Bad game, awful game where we we're happy only with 1.0.
I'm wondering why Klopp was so happy with 1 week to training, because the trainings sessions should be awful with this kind of performance.
Trent bad, Matip is a disaster in term of injury, Jones bad game keeping the ball for so long like in the corner when he could release the ball more quick and safe for Trent, Salah was with his head in Spain for sure because he wasn't on the pitch.
So with this we have a great league on top, too close between each other.
Will be a disaster the Mancs win the league.

[TheDOC1979]

Klopp, I do not, for the life of me, understand why you would bring on Origi in the 90th minute. Not only that, but you bring OX on who hasn't played in forever. Stupid subs.

The whole team was pussy footing about with the flicks and trying to pass in ridiculous situations.

We could've easily lost this to be fair.

[teesred]

A total lazy,slack jack performance and you could see it after 20 minutes. They got far too comfortable after scoring thinking it was going to be a breeze.
A massive chance blown to put some points between us and a few teams.

[HLOGI]

It is proven again Mane is our most dangerous player and mist effective alongside Robertson. They are mostly the ones who impact in tight games. No one else. Mo Salah can score 100 goals but doesn't impact a match where things are tight. Firmino also despite a rosy 3 games offers nothing as a 9. He is a 4th midfielder which means the wide attackers must carry the threat alongside Robbo.

Trent has been rubbish of late. His reason for bring in the team is his crossing. And that of late is shite.

People can slate the midfield in terms of creativity but it must be hard to create if your number 9 us right next to you or behind you. Firmino last 2 games have papered over the cracks. He is finished. It must be front 3 if Msne, Salah and Jota as the 9.

[Crimson Dynasty]

So the big winners this weekend among our rivals are City and the BS who pick up two points on us with City having a game in hand.

Great work guys.

Would someone please get Trent back from whatever press event he's doing and let him know that he's needed back in the team ASAP?
Also, how Mane can throw a tantrum at being subbed last week, and then come into the game today and waste chances back and forth (despite his goal), is beyond me.
And the less said about Jones and his over-dribbling himself (and the team) into trouble, the better for all.

I should have something to say about Matip and yet another Mr. Glass performance, but let's be honest, that had no bearing on the result of this game. We lost it at the front end were we couldn't hit a barn door with rocket despite our (first half) 80% possession.

Okay, I'm done with my rant now.

Happy New Year everyone.

[justme]

We have no one in the box with height.. we could crossed a few times and put them under pressure. it was all around the box and nothing in it.. Sadly low blocks get results.. but we should have done better..

[eggy81]

It is proven again Mane is our most dangerous player and mist effective alongside Robertson. They are mostly the ones who impact in tight games. No one else. Mo Salah can score 100 goals but doesn't impact a match where things are tight. Firmino also despite a rosy 3 games offers nothing as a 9. He is a 4th midfielder which means the wide attackers must carry the threat alongside Robbo.

Trent has been rubbish of late. His reason for bring in the team is his crossing. And that of late is shite.

People can slate the midfield in terms of creativity but it must be hard to create if your number 9 us right next to you or behind you. Firmino last 2 games have papered over the cracks. He is finished. It must be front 3 if Msne, Salah and Jota as the 9.
Mane was utter garbage apart from the goal.

[HLOGI]

Would love to see the VAR on the off-side shout, strange it wasn't shown or did i miss something?

Wasn't shown at all. Even a handball incident first half. No replays.

[RedNoodle]

Klopp, I do not, for the life of me, understand why you would bring on Origi in the 90th minute. Not only that, but you bring OX on who hasn't played in forever. Stupid subs.

The whole team was pussy footing about with the flicks and trying to pass in ridiculous situations.

We could've easily lost this to be fair.

He did that because we've got little to f-all else on the bench, which is why I keep banging on about us needing a bigger/better squad. That will require FSG to actually spend some money without selling players we already have, and they simply won't do that.

Also Klopp's use/timing of subs leaves a fair bit to be desired.

[Kop On Portugal]

Klopp, I do not, for the life of me, understand why you would bring on Origi in the 90th minute. Not only that, but you bring OX on who hasn't played in forever. Stupid subs.

The whole team was pussy footing about with the flicks and trying to pass in ridiculous situations.

We could've easily lost this to be fair.

Lose this one? Are you kidding. Was an awful performance but losing is a big step

[HLOGI]

Mane was utter garbage apart from the goal.

Disagree. He is the liveliest and mist dangerous attacker. Everything potent is on his side. The ref allowed Furlough to wrestle him the whole game it still be played well.

If Mane was utter garbage what was Salah? What was Firmino?

[Nineteenx]

Well complacency and sloppiness and the desperately unfortunate injury to Matip costs us all 3 points today, way too casual and complacent through allowed to have too much easy possession in the first half and getting used to having too much time and too many touches, we tried to do stock things too much of the time, get it wide get it into the box, should have scored more, the clinical finishing from the game v Palace had disappeared today

I don't think we tried to give it to Mane enough to try and drive into the box, that's a really good way we've got a lot of breakthroughs when teams defend like that, I think it is perhaps difficult to be as intense when the opposition sit off and let you have it in areas you can't hurt them, I've often wondered if it's a deliberate first half tactic by some managers, it often slows the passing down of the better team, sees players taking more time and touches on the ball than they would if pressed, and then when they are pressed more second half, they've dropped into a mindset or bad habit of doing those things.

As ever all the focus on the next game, getting the win and another vital 3 points

[eggy81]

Disagree. He is the liveliest and mist dangerous attacker. Everything potent is on his side. The ref allowed Furlough to wrestle him the whole game it still be played well.

If Mane was utter garbage what was Salah? What was Firmino?

Utterer garbage 😅

[TheDOC1979]

He did that because we've got little to f-all else on the bench, which is why I keep banging on about us needing a bigger/better squad. That will require FSG to actually spend some money without selling players we already have, and they simply won't do that.

Get rid of those that aren't going to make the cut. ~rid of those who aren't signing contracts and those that are always injured. You'll have enough money to spend on some quality surely noods.

[Artisan]

Wasn't shown at all. Even a handball incident first half. No replays.

I thought as much, something stinks...other than some of our play.

[Steveo]

Hopefully that will calm some down when it comes to Curtis Jones. Far too often a player shows a small glimpse of promise and people (especially the media) go into overdrive and start ****ing over them as if they are the new Maradona.

Calm it down until they've actually proved themselves over a reasonable period of time.

You could also say it was one game - and he was not as bad as Trent. Robbo had acres of space first 20 but still managed a poor game. Who had a good game today..? Alisson made a good save but was slow for the corner after Jones dawdling and then poor for the ball off the post IMO.

The team are believing the hype.

I watch the games. V Spurs we were great first half but second beat second half and were fortunate to take the 3 points.

V Palace we could have easily conceded 2 or 3 and it’s a very different game.

Today we should be 3 or more up after 30 mins but after that - nothing.

Jones is 19 FFS.. that midfield is and alway was in need of more. More creativity, more drive and more goals..!

[Crimson Dynasty]

Klopp, I do not, for the life of me, understand why you would bring on Origi in the 90th minute. Not only that, but you bring OX on who hasn't played in forever. Stupid subs.

The whole team was pussy footing about with the flicks and trying to pass in ridiculous situations.

We could've easily lost this to be fair.



He should probably stop whining about the 5 subs thing to the press now.
He's had his say and it's clear they're not going to change it, and more to the point, if his 85th, 88th minute subs are any indication, he wouldn't know what to do with those other two extra subs if he had them.

The time to make a sub in this game should have been the 50th minute when he saw the team had come out flat after the half, but yet again he sat on his thumbs and did nothing until disaster struck.

[HLOGI]

We have no one in the box with height.. we could crossed a few times and put them under pressure. it was all around the box and nothing in it.. Sadly low blocks get results.. but we should have done better..

The crossing was shite so we won't know. Hendo needs to shoot sometimes. That hooked cross to the back post catches teams out once and then they on to it.

[skyebo]

Keita with another fitness issue ffs. Lads on borrowed time now and needs replacing. Really wanted him to do well, but this is just taking the piss now

Matip needs binning too, the man's a liability. Decent when fit, but when is that ?

[RedNoodle]

Get rid of those that aren't going to make the cut. ~rid of those who aren't signing contracts and those that are always injured. You'll have enough money to spend on some quality surely noods.

We already have enough money to spend on some quality, but FSG are businessmen whose modus operandi is to do things on the cheap.

[justme]

The crossing was shite so we won't know. Hendo needs to shoot sometimes. That hooked cross to the back post catches teams out once and then they on to it.

Fucking hate that twat fat sam. he will be lauded now. Hopefully he fks them off into next league playing with 11 players in their box.

[Jenson78]

Tiago is needed against park the bus teams, just like Matip,Keita,Ox they're made of rice paper, can't be trusted to stay fit. My concern with Tiago was he's injury prone. So far he's been a waste of money, hope he comes good.

[HLOGI]

He should probably stop whining about the 5 subs thing to the press now.
He's had his say and it's clear they're not going to change it, and more to the point, if his 85th, 88th minute subs are any indication, he wouldn't know what to do with those other two extra subs if he had them.

The time to make a sub in this game should have been the 50th minute when he saw the team had come out flat after the half, but yet again he sat on his thumbs and did nothing until disaster struck.

Minamino after a superb performance is not trusted. Poor man management from Klopp. Rather bringing on Origi. Also not subbing earlier, not subbing Salah or Firmino. Even Jones seems to be a blue eye now as he doesn't get hooked now.

[RedNoodle]

Matip needs binning too, the man's a liability. Decent when fit, but when is that ?

Binned and replaced with who? Another cheap as chips player who can't remain fit for more than half a dozen games?

[Crimson Dynasty]

Disagree. He is the liveliest and mist dangerous attacker. Everything potent is on his side. The ref allowed Furlough to wrestle him the whole game it still be played well.

If Mane was utter garbage what was Salah? What was Firmino?

He missed 5 out of 6 clear chances in that first half when he could have safely put the game to bed.
That kind of conversion rate is deserving of scrutiny.

And just because his attacking partners were equally unimpressive and/woeful, it then doesn't automatically make his not sub-standard (apart from the goal).

[justme]

Matip needs binning too, the man's a liability. Decent when fit, but when is that ?
Yep, its like oh Matips injured.. ok lets move on. nothing to see here. same with Keita.. hes a bit like Sturridge any little niggle and he wont play..

[RedNoodle]

Minamino after a superb performance is not trusted. Poor man management from Klopp. Rather bringing on Origi. Also not subbing earlier, not subbing Salah or Firmino. Even Jones seems to be a blue eye now as he doesn't get hooked now.

As I said, for all of Klopp's other good qualities, his use and timing of subs leaves a lot to be desired.

[HLOGI]

He missed 5 out of 6 clear chances in that first half when he could have safely put the game to bed.
That kind of conversion rate is deserving of scrutiny.

And just because his attacking partners were equally unimpressive and/woeful, it then doesn't automatically make his not sub-standard (apart from the goal).

Which clear chance. There were half chances. Created by his movement.

[teesred]

Get rid of those that aren't going to make the cut. ~rid of those who aren't signing contracts and those that are always injured. You'll have enough money to spend on some quality surely noods.

Keita,Shaq. Get rid and replace with players who can stay for for longer than 5 minutes. Keita can literally fuck right off. I don't wantvyo hear "there's a player in there though" or "he needs a run of games". Actually no. He needs to fuck off and play in a league where there's no contact in games or training. Why are we persevering with players like this?
You could throw Ox in there too as he's another one who loves the cold stainless steel table.
I've had it with those 3 full stop. Even if they were peddled and we used the money for a hew CB it wouldn't weaken midfield as they're literally never available to play.

[boom-klopp]

we never play well after a long break. all momentum goes.

less breaks, bigger squad.

i really hate watching trent at the moment. needs to be hooked. his attitude stinks.

whoever thinks a guy (curtis) who takes 2 more touches than he should is first team material or liverpool material for that matter, needs their head testing. he is dogshit. can’t pass, can’t dribble, can’t shoot. what does he do exactly??

can’t believe that performance. so angry.

[Insidious]

Matip needs binning too, the man's a liability. Decent when fit, but when is that ?

Difficult to replace a player like that in January to be fair.

If you replace a centre-back who is good (and no matter how frustrating the injuries are, he is good) then you need to bring in an upgrade - and the man we want may not be available until Summer.

[eggy81]

That was offside lads. Why no analysis of it.

[HLOGI]

He missed 5 out of 6 clear chances in that first half when he could have safely put the game to bed.
That kind of conversion rate is deserving of scrutiny.

And just because his attacking partners were equally unimpressive and/woeful, it then doesn't automatically make his not sub-standard (apart from the goal).

CD. What is the conversion ratio of the others. I would like you to point out the chances and how were they clear. You making it as if he missed clear 1 on 1 with keeper.

[LEGS]

I’m sorry I’m not agreeing with Zamora WBA were fantastic no they weren’t they got lucky really one counter and a set piece goal they weren’t fantastic at all they dug in and got a chance.

[skyebo]

Binned and replaced with who? Another cheap as chips player who can't remain fit for more than half a dozen games?

Anyone who can stay fit more than he does. He's getting his money for nothing.

[justme]

That was offside lads. Why no analysis of it.
because this season we are being robbed on purpose by the officials.

[Steveo]

I’m sorry I’m not agreeing with Zamora WBA were fantastic no they weren’t they got lucky really one counter and a set piece goal they weren’t fantastic at all they dug in and got a chance.

They restricted us to pretty little in fairness while scoring and getting through with a one v one. If we are so good and they deserve to be where they are then they performed well today.

Can you remember Bobby doing anything - or even Salah..? Mané scored with a moment of indefensible brilliance but what else was there from us?

[Crimson Dynasty]

Which clear chance. There were half chances. Created by his movement.

Are you serious?

Go back and watch that first half again.

Those were more than half chances.
He fluffed on all of them, but most are overlooking that because he scored the goal.

[HLOGI]

As I said, for all of Klopp's other good qualities, his use and timing of subs leaves a lot to be desired.

Klopp is getting stale. The players are getting stale. I don't get That ruthless winners attitude all around. 1 or 2 big trophies and they have made it. This league was there for the taking and they have spurned it twice now after opposition had poor results.

[Artisan]

I'd still like an explanation by the officials why the VAR for off-side wasn't shown. If he wasn't off/side fine but lets bloody see it.

[HLOGI]

Are you serious?

Go back and watch that first half again.

Those were more than half chances.
He fluffed on all of them, but most are overlooking that because he scored the goal.

Tell me a chance. You can't so why must I go and look again Since I watched it as you did.

[eggy81]

They restricted us to pretty little in fairness while scoring and getting through with a one v one.

This. Got the goal from a bit of a lucky pass and great skill from mane. Took it for granted then for rest of game that we’d score when we liked. Lots of poor performances but it fell of off a cliff after matip went off.

[Artisan]

That was offside lads. Why no analysis of it.

This is exactly what's really bugging me right now...

[Crimson Dynasty]

CD. What is the conversion ratio of the others. I would like you to point out the chances and how were they clear. You making it as if he missed clear 1 on 1 with keeper.

So that's the only kind of chance that counts as a "clear chance" to you - a one on one with the keeper?
Really?

Come on.

Also, stop referencing the conversion ratio or the failure of others to perform as if it magically makes Mane's own shortcomings better by comparison.
It doesn't work that way.

It's also entirely possible that they were ALL shite, when they needed to be better.

And the fact that we only got a point from a game in which we had 70-80% possession confirms that

[HLOGI]

I’m sorry I’m not agreeing with Zamora WBA were fantastic no they weren’t they got lucky really one counter and a set piece goal they weren’t fantastic at all they dug in and got a chance.

They looked mire potent second half. We had lots of possession with no end product. No zip. We are too static and slow.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Tell me a chance. You can't so why must I go and look again Since I watched it as you did.

You watched and you didn't see them because you only want to see what you want to see.


I'm not going to watch the game again for you and get the chances he was CLEARLY missing that were being called out here on the match-thread (where were you?) just because you're either too lazy to do so.


So by your argument, he has no responsibility for us coming out of that half with us only being 1-0 (despite most of the best chances falling to him)?


Is that what you're saying?

[justme]

Did you see the cunt of a linesman who waited like 3 minutes to call an offside?? he did that so the game would be called back and West-Brom could get behind the ball.

[Insidious]

They looked mire potent second half. We had lots of possession with no end product. No zip. We are too static and slow.

Can only hope that Thiago can end up being fit for some of these games.

We cross the ball a Hell of a lot and I really wish we could keep it on the floor a touch more against these very physical sides as we'll not get enough headed opportunities or volleys against them.

[Kev0909]

World class henderson and firmino draw against the mighty wba

[HLOGI]

So that's the only kind of chance that counts as a "clear chance" to you - a one on one with the keeper?
Really?

Come



No it doesn't. Bit I am asking you since you said he missed clear chances to show which were. I am saying thay you are making it out as if he missed a one on one or a 2 uaed finish etc. You can't show the clear chance. Then leave it. Let us agree to disagree. Tjere is a lot of hate fpr Mane on here and it's like he mist be Pele every game or else he is shite despite actually being our best plauer on the park in a game.

[eggy81]

World class henderson and firmino draw against the mighty wba

What about the rest of them.

[Crimson Dynasty]

Everyone on the post-game press circus now wanking their loads on what a "genius" that Fat Sam was with his 6-4-0 strategy, as if he planned that ricocheted goal.


I can't wait for that waste of a team to get relegated.

[LEGS]

They restricted us to pretty little in fairness while scoring and getting through with a one v one. If we are so good and they deserve to be where they are then they performed well today.

Can you remember Bobby doing anything - or even Salah..? Mané scored with a moment of indefensible brilliance but what else was there from us?

I never said we were good I said WBA were not fantastic let’s face it on another day they could have been 3-0 down at HT then it doesn’t look like a masterclass as Redknapp put it.

[RedNoodle]

They looked mire potent second half. We had lots of possession with no end product. No zip. We are too static and slow.

One of those games where we were 'one paced'.

In order to open up teams that either pack their defensive third and/or are well organised, you need to be able to mix up your speed and style, and we did neither of those things today.

[Steveo]

I never said we were good I said WBA were not fantastic let’s face it on another day they could have been 3-0 down at HT then it doesn’t look like a masterclass as Redknapp put it.

True but they did restrict us to very little after the first 20. Second half - well they looked the more likely at times.

[HLOGI]

Also, stop referencing the conversion ratio or the failure of others to perform as if it magically makes Mane's own shortcomings better by comparison.
It doesn't work that way.

It's also entirely possible that they were ALL shite, when they needed to be better.

And the fact that we only got a point from a game in which we had 70-80% possession confirms that[/QUOTE]

Why does Mane receive such scrutiny whereas he is the guy who actually got the goal. CD, I was challenging someone who raise he was garbage and I am questioning why those who were mote garbage don't actually get outed like that. I do feel at time the blacker players in our team are more criticized than their counterparts. So maybe I am coming in defense and calling 0ut the double standard more.

[justme]

You know who the VAR person was?? have a guess.. that Atkinson

[RedNoodle]

Everyone on the post-game press circus now wanking their loads on what a "genius" that Fat Sam was with his 6-4-0 strategy, as if he planned that ricocheted goal.


I can't wait for that waste of a team to get relegated.

As annoying as that/he is, we were the architects of our own demise. They got more than what others expected, we got less.

[Kev0909]

What about the rest of them.

Well everyone seems to hype these players up after the last few games and suddenly next best thing since sliced bread

So where was the creative mastermind world class henderson?

Creaitive world class, goal scoring firmino?

Who's the captain again?

Once again other players get it in the neck more, than these 2 golden boys

WBA are fucking garbage they all deserve a smack on the fucking arse

[RedNoodle]

You know who the VAR person was?? have a guess.. t*at Atkinson

Fixed for you.

[HLOGI]

You watched and you didn't see them because you only want to see what you want to see.


I'm not going to watch the game again for you and get the chances he was CLEARLY missing that were being called out here on the match-thread (where were you?) just because you're either too lazy to do so.


So by your argument, he has no responsibility for us coming out of that half with us only being 1-0 (despite most of the best chances falling to him)?


Is that what you're saying?

Then why you yelling me to go watch again? I asked you to reference the chance and you still have not been able to. These paragraphs you responding to and now you calling me lazy. If you going to state a fact prove it. Show the clear chance?

[Crimson Dynasty]

No it doesn't. Bit I am asking you since you said he missed clear chances to show which were. I am saying thay you are making it out as if he missed a one on one or a 2 uaed finish etc. You can't show the clear chance. Then leave it. Let us agree to disagree. Tjere is a lot of hate fpr Mane on here and it's like he mist be Pele every game or else he is shite despite actually being our best plauer on the park in a game.

He missed chances he should have scored.
Be honest enough to admit it instead of pretending he had a perfect game and can't be criticised and called out for it.
I'm first to give him credit when he's due just like any others.
I don't shy away from criticising them when they fall short.

Everyone was saying all those chances he was missing were going to come back to haunt us.
And guess what?

They did.

You're allowed your opinion (both of him and the game), but you're not allowed your own set of facts and reality.

All he had to do was convert just ONE of those chances (the most of anyone in the game) and none of us are having this debate in the aftermath.
And that's a FACT!

[HLOGI]

One of those games where we were 'one paced'.

In order to open up teams that either pack their defensive third and/or are well organised, you need to be able to mix up tour speed and style, and we did neither of those things today.

Agree. We not passing the ball with zip. Not alot of one touch firm passes. Only time there is one time it is flicks and you not going to succeed with a 10 msn defense. Variance us required Noods I agree.