Is world war 3 about to kick off?

[Kev0909]

Thoughts??

Various reports saying russia do intend to invade very soon ukraine that is obvs

And never a good sign with country's saying to any citizens there to get out quick

[ianlfc]

They could at least wait until the seasons over.

[Nineteenx]

Good luck if it comes down to needing people to fight, they've spent 40 years trying to destroy every last ounce of solidarity and community spirit that saw the UK through both previous world wars

[Martyboy]

Putin's mob are going into the Ukraine to smash the Khazarian Mafia's massive child and drug trafficking operations.....

[Daffydd]

Nothing will happen, it's just more fear porn and the West are desperately trying to get off on it.

[Daffydd]

Well I think it's fair to say that Putin has lost the element of surprise now!

But seriously, kick off after kick off has been postponed, Wednesday..., Sunday..., happy days

[jozza800]

Good luck if it comes down to needing people to fight, they've spent 40 years trying to destroy every last ounce of solidarity and community spirit that saw the UK through both previous world wars

This is a great point. 👍

People voted brexit thinking we'd be OK because of that Churchillian Spirit. Totally forgetting that most of today's youth would rather have everything handed to them rather than work, most of them can't read or write and would rather film someone on fire than be bothered to piss on them.

It really is a depressing state of affairs.

[CCTV]

Since the outbreak of Covid from Wuhan, I believe a lab originating virus, there's been some fascinating stuff going on.

The Russia Ukraine situation is one where the west has over reached. Breaching post cold war agreements. The German led eu/ee has returned to expansion through the lebensraum region. The US led Nato has followed suit and sought to take the crimean peninsula away from Russias military.
Russia in short has its red lines akin to the Cuban missile crisis. If it escalates the potential impacts are frightening.
Surely mutually assured destruction should see some sense emerge.

Bidens admin provoked afghanis/taliban by delaying the withdrawal date initially. Then botched the withdrawal in a last ditch media campaign to get public support.
Moving on to Russia seems a bit much in terms of a task but it has served the interests of distraction.

The Durham investigation has barely made it into the mainstream. A sensational story beyond watergate.
With flailing public support creating a conflict might be good for the midterms. Maximising the last 2 minutes of tds hatred to drive turnout. With trump banned from the global tech monopolies its been difficult to get the tds energy going.

It's a good time for distraction for other wef partners, the build back better clan. Truds in Canada needs some assistance having invoked emergency powers to squash protests, completely contradicting himself compared with his position on protests approved by the fusion of corporate & state, wef and her lackeys.

Bojo too needs some distraction as many of the public are irate - seeing as the lockdown rules and trampling of human rights which they complied with were not complied with by all . I find this rage a little peculiar as there was complicity on their part in abiding by rules and powers the state shouldn't have had.

Bill Gates sadly sees the demand for vaxxines dither to a halt as supply has reached a nauseating over abundance. Stock sales might lead one to think that this hold of power is also done.

With freedom breaking out, people refusing a booster every so many weeks and a desire to return to our old normal as opposed to he wefsnew normal. It does appear that there's a need for a new fear.

[CCTV]

This is a great point. 👍

People voted brexit thinking we'd be OK because of that Churchillian Spirit. Totally forgetting that most of today's youth would rather have everything handed to them rather than work, most of them can't read or write and would rather film someone on fire than be bothered to piss on them.

It really is a depressing state of affairs.

Communist subversion, increased diversity and millions of aborted brits does tend to detract from the national spirit.

[CCTV]

Oh and macron has an election coming up too and those yellow vests are more popular than him.
Could see him being spun as the great peace deal broker.

Been good for wef too as they've shut down any talk on China and that protects alot of manufacturing and research interests of theirs.
Remember how at the start of the pandemic one of the obvious issues was returning manufacturing to Western nations.

[Kev0909]

Oh dear

[redebreck]

It's kicked off. EU and many other countries are threatening economic sanctions.
USSR split into many countries, are Russia trying to bring those countries back in?
This is not good.

[justincredible]

Lads, turn your TV, radio and Facebook off and you'll be grand...

[southernboy]

Hard to imagine we’ll be playing our champions league final in St Petersburg.

Abramovic also under scrutiny I see. I wonder if he’ll be at Wembley on Sunday.

[Martyboy]

Since the outbreak of Covid from Wuhan, I believe a lab originating virus, there's been some fascinating stuff going on.

The Russia Ukraine situation is one where the west has over reached. Breaching post cold war agreements. The German led eu/ee has returned to expansion through the lebensraum region. The US led Nato has followed suit and sought to take the crimean peninsula away from Russias military.
Russia in short has its red lines akin to the Cuban missile crisis. If it escalates the potential impacts are frightening.
Surely mutually assured destruction should see some sense emerge.

Bidens admin provoked afghanis/taliban by delaying the withdrawal date initially. Then botched the withdrawal in a last ditch media campaign to get public support.
Moving on to Russia seems a bit much in terms of a task but it has served the interests of distraction.

The Durham investigation has barely made it into the mainstream. A sensational story beyond watergate.
With flailing public support creating a conflict might be good for the midterms. Maximising the last 2 minutes of tds hatred to drive turnout. With trump banned from the global tech monopolies its been difficult to get the tds energy going.

It's a good time for distraction for other wef partners, the build back better clan. Truds in Canada needs some assistance having invoked emergency powers to squash protests, completely contradicting himself compared with his position on protests approved by the fusion of corporate & state, wef and her lackeys.

Bojo too needs some distraction as many of the public are irate - seeing as the lockdown rules and trampling of human rights which they complied with were not complied with by all . I find this rage a little peculiar as there was complicity on their part in abiding by rules and powers the state shouldn't have had.

Bill Gates sadly sees the demand for vaxxines dither to a halt as supply has reached a nauseating over abundance. Stock sales might lead one to think that this hold of power is also done.

With freedom breaking out, people refusing a booster every so many weeks and a desire to return to our old normal as opposed to he wefsnew normal. It does appear that there's a need for a new fear.


Well done mate,someone who's got it....Those evil 'elites' at the Rothschilds' owned World Economic Forum are the BIG problem....Klaus Schwab's 'Great Reset' plan is a horrible dystopian vision for all but the rich cabal/deep state...Their Future 'Young Leaders' plan has now come to fruition with Macron in France.,Ardern In NZ,that horrible fucker Trudeau in Canada and Boris amongst them...

Schwab has openly boasted about governments around the world being 'infiltrated' by his disciples of the WEF...Communism,Fascism,Socialism call it what you like but it aint gonna be freedom and democracy for us if these fuckers get their way....He openly talks about 'Zer 4th Industrial Revolution'...Transhumanism,social credit system,surveillance,vaccine passports and regular mandated 'vaccines'(experimental gene therapy basically e.g The Covid 'vaccines')..All part of totalitarian control.....Dunno about you lot on here but I'll fight to the death for my freedom!!...Fucking evil satanic bastards the lot of em!!....:livid::livid:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jXGJ7VZfDibG/

Schwab's name mentioned in Canadian Parliament...He owns it by the look.....:(

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mFUOm2e4uiAT/

[Martyboy]

Like I previously stated in this post the Russians AND the Ukranians are busy smashing the Khazarian Nazi Mafia(drug,child trafficking,money laundering cabal) inside Ukraine...They got the get go from the White Hat Military Alliance to get in there and smash em!...They're doing the world a favour......Stop fucking listening to the mainstream media (deep state/cabal owned bullshit,fear porn propaganda)...They did it with their attack on the world with the Covid scam and now it's an attempt at starting WW3....It's their get out of jail attempt,they've been tumbled by military and intelligence services and are close to bankruptcy......


https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=193857

[reddownunder]

Hard to imagine we’ll be playing our champions league final in St Petersburg.

Abramovic also under scrutiny I see. I wonder if he’ll be at Wembley on Sunday.

Would be funny as fuck if Abramovich had his spending power curtailed by sanctions

[scientificred]

Hard to imagine we’ll be playing our champions league final in St Petersburg.

Abramovic also under scrutiny I see. I wonder if he’ll be at Wembley on Sunday.
CL final now in Paris F1 GP in Russia now cancelled

[scientificred]

Would be funny as fuck if Abramovich had his spending power curtailed by sanctions
For me, Nothing funny is coming out of this

[justme]

For me, Nothing funny is coming out of this

For once i agree with you

[scientificred]

Lads, turn your TV, radio and Facebook off and you'll be grand...
Please do not trivialise Justin.
This is a tragic situation.
Putin appears unhinged.
Everyone needs to watch.

[scientificred]

Just hearing a sky news report from a refugee in a refugee column.
All males aged 18 - 60 were forcibly conscripted and torn from their families.

[scientificred]

Russian foreign ministry spokesperson about Putin's state of mind by British journalist: What about your own PM and his lies and conduct. And then Irag and other conduct.
She was very angry!

[scientificred]

For once i agree with you
Thank you Justne.

[scientificred]

We can combat climate change as a world together and only as together. We do not need another world war, perhaps Russia and China together perceive a nuclear winter as a price worth bearing. They encompass about 1/4 of the world's inhabitable land mass. Looking after your own !
I wish for world peace and prosperity,
Look after this planet. It stands alone.
Be kind to your neighbor!
Jesus Christ!

[scientificred]

Fair play to sky news for their live coverage from kiev

[scientificred]

Pathetic response just now from NATO man Stollenborg. Looked and sounded very nervous.

[scientificred]

Curious. Accordingly to Putin, Ukraine is a Nazi regime and must be stopped. it appears to me that he has been studying russian history and decided that it is time for Germany to pay back but he himself is bringing back pictures of nazi Germany. Some brave journalists abound in russia

[scientificred]

Poland welcomes perhaps short term tens of thousands refugees. No doubt many will head to England. England is involved in this whether you like it or not.
Please do not look from a distance. This is serious business from an apparently deranged despot with his fingers on a nuclear trigger .Maybe part of his plan is to flood the west with even more refugees

[scientificred]

I ask anyone on this forum to justify this invasion by Russia.

[justme]

No one is.. Its a tough decision for the west to intervene. Russia has all the cards right now.. We just gotta sit it out. Putin is nearly 70 one can hope he not around much longer. and we get a less off a lunatic in charge of Russia

[scientificred]

No one is.. Its a tough decision for the west to intervene. Russia has all the cards right now.. We just gotta sit it out. Putin is nearly 70 one can hope he not around much longer. and we get a less off a lunatic in charge of Russia
Thank you again Justne. The world needs a Russia and China onside to sort the climate crisis. Worried about this man. His eyes and statements sit uncomfortably with me he has been in power for too long and is hard to depose.. Despite his age he is physically well ok . Always can threaten his opponents with horrendous consequences and sometimes carry them out to the extreme without challenge
Used to think he was ok and boxed very clever. Now .. madman!. Getting old , deranged, determined to do anything he thinks is magnificent for OLD Russia. Very dangerous for the world.

[justme]

Thank you again Justne. The world needs a Russia and China onside to sort the climate crisis. Worried about this man. His eyes and statements sit uncomfortably with me he has been in power for too long and is hard to depose.. Despite his age he is physically well ok . Always can threaten his opponents with horrendous consequences and sometimes carry them out to the extreme without challenge
Used to think he was ok and boxed very clever. Now .. madman!. Getting old , deranged, determined to do anything he thinks is magnificent for OLD Russia. Very dangerous for the world.
Its unlikely to end in a nuclear war. Russia would lose as well. Thats Putins goal to rule what he believes to be his birth right. he cant rule it under nuclear fall out. His generals won't allow it anyway..
We just gotta wait until his regime stops. The Ukraine will never give in. they'll end upa free nation eventually. Theres very few despots out there like Putin.

[justme]

Its just ultra heart breaking people are dying for no reason. other than wanting their freedom..

[Daffydd]

Fair play to sky news for their live coverage from kiev

I hope it is better than the BBC and their "explosions lighting up the night sky behind us".

Curious how, a few days ago, Britons were warned to leave Ukraine but the British media jetted out to Kyiv.

It's hard to justify Putin's actions without all the facts but I don't trust our politicians, media or the official narrative either.

[scientificred]

I hope it is better than the BBC and their "explosions lighting up the night sky behind us".

Curious how, a few days ago, Britons were warned to leave Ukraine but the British media jetted out to Kyiv.

It's hard to justify Putin's actions without all the facts but I don't trust our politicians, media or the official narrative either.
Sky news reporters are there unless you are one of those fake news guys. They look and sound genuinely nervous. Perhaps man never landed on the moon? What can you possibly base your ideas on? Perhaps Russia Today? Or what is your favoured most trusted news source? And why!

[Daffydd]

Sky news reporters are there unless you are one of those fake news guys. They look and sound genuinely nervous. Perhaps man never landed on the moon? What can you possibly base your ideas on? Perhaps Russia Today? Or what is your favoured most trusted news source? And why!

I don't watch Sky or Russia Today but the BBC seem very comfy with it so far.

I don't understand your moon comment, or which of my ideas you refer to?

[scientificred]

Its unlikely to end in a nuclear war. Russia would lose as well. Thats Putins goal to rule what he believes to be his birth right. he cant rule it under nuclear fall out. His generals won't allow it anyway..
We just gotta wait until his regime stops. The Ukraine will never give in. they'll end upa free nation eventually. Theres very few despots out there like Putin.
Russia and China have almost 1/4 of the world's inhabitable land mass. Their leaders can hide amidst that land mass. Underground if necessary. They don't care about their people or other peoples. Just care about theirselves and fheir money. They are not communists. Putin has managed to get his £100 m yacht back but will probably never be able to sail on it comfortably again in his lifetime - how bizarre!

[scientificred]

I don't watch Sky or Russia Today but the BBC seem very comfy with it so far.

I don't understand your moon comment, or which of my ideas you refer to?
You do not believe what you are seeing?

[scientificred]

I find President of Ukraine a most interesting and admirable character - until last few years an actor and comedian......
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-vf-gb-revc&sxsrf=APq-WBtY2uzj7Uk0OXHG9pWw1gwvcpaE3g:1645821470398&q=Volodymyr+Zelenskyy&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3KDfJMqoyfMRoyi3w8sc9 YSmdSWtOXmNU4-IKzsgvd80rySypFJLgYoOy-KR4uJC08SxiFQ7Lz8lPqcytLFKISs1JzSvOrqwEACOphVlcAAA A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF7Ozg2pv2AhUSPewKHZGJB-AQzIcDKAB6BAhaEAE&biw=360&bih=648&dpr=3

[Daffydd]

You do not believe what you are seeing?

I believe it enough but a lot of it is staged and manipulative. Looking back at all the TV wars we've had in our life-time we weren't told the whole truth in any of them and years later the truth comes out. "Truth is the first casualty of war"

[scientificred]

I believe it enough but a lot of it is staged and manipulative. Looking back at all the TV wars we've had in our life-time we weren't told the whole truth in any of them and years later the truth comes out. "Truth is the first casualty of war"
What do you think has been staged? This is live tv? War reporters are quite brave people with a history going back a few centuries Do you suggest that there are no bombs? Or only when they are there? Or People are hiding with their children in the underground just for some political point?

[scientificred]

I believe it enough but a lot of it is staged and manipulative. Looking back at all the TV wars we've had in our life-time we weren't told the whole truth in any of them and years later the truth comes out. "Truth is the first casualty of war"
Innocent people are the first casualties if war

[redebreck]

No one is.. Its a tough decision for the west to intervene. Russia has all the cards right now.. We just gotta sit it out. Putin is nearly 70 one can hope he not around much longer. and we get a less off a lunatic in charge of Russia

As you say, Putin is nearly 70. Imo this makes him dangerous as he might not give a shit how this develops - reckless.

[teesred]

As you say, Putin is nearly 70. Imo this makes him dangerous as he might not give a shit how this develops - reckless.

Agree. He wants a "war" on his CV,on his legacy.

[scientificred]

I believe it enough but a lot of it is staged and manipulative. Looking back at all the TV wars we've had in our life-time we weren't told the whole truth in any of them and years later the truth comes out. "Truth is the first casualty of war"
To add further daffydd
My grandad signed up to WWI as a young teenager . he was full of stories and used to chuckle about the many horrendous circumstances he found himself in (perhaps his way if dealing with it) but often used to end up saying ' what was that all about '

[CCTV]

As you say, Putin is nearly 70. Imo this makes him dangerous as he might not give a shit how this develops - reckless.

I believe in history younger office holders start wars.


I ask anyone on this forum to justify this invasion by Russia.

Well it might prevent a larger conflict.

Also the Russians are responding to an expansionist EU & Nato.

It is in many ways a reversal of the Cuban missile crisis.

[scientificred]

Following on from his ridiculous attempt at squeezing his large frame into a fighter plane cockpit whilst smiling, Bojo has delivered a speech smattered at the end with Ukrainian expressions to the effect of 'we stand side by side with you"
What a joke he is!

[scientificred]

I believe in history younger office holders start wars.



Well it might prevent a larger conflict.

Also the Russians are responding to an expansionist EU & Nato.

It is in many ways a reversal of the Cuban missile crisis.
In what way is it similar apart from the threat of WWIII

[CCTV]

In what way is it similar apart from the threat of WWIII

JFK was securing American interests by thwarting a potential risk in Cuba from the USSR.

Putin is securing Russian interests by thwarting a potential risk in Ukraine from Nato/Eu.

In both cases the aggressor is the one interfering around the others territory.

In both cases you'd expect the smaller nation to pay the price against their superpower neighbour.

[scientificred]

Vladimir Klicsko is armed and on the streets

[scientificred]

JFK was securing American interests by thwarting a potential risk in Cuba from the USSR.

Putin is securing Russian interests by thwarting a potential risk in Ukraine from Nato/Eu.

In both cases the aggressor is the one interfering around the others territory.

In both cases you'd expect the smaller nation to pay the price against their superpower neighbour.

Is that what you believe? I think they are very different scenarios from very different eras and it is wrong to compare. Nobody wants to threaten russian sovereignty. But many countries were only too glad for the chance to escape from russian tyranny and many have voted and chosen protection against a return to that tyranny. You can surely see why!

[reddownunder]

For me, Nothing funny is coming out of this

Yeah sorry, poor choice of words.

Whatever views people have on how it came to this and who is to blame its the regular civilians that suffer as always.

[CCTV]

Is that what you believe? I think they are very different scenarios from very different eras and it is wrong to compare. Nobody wants to threaten russian sovereignty. But many countries were only too glad for the chance to escape from russian tyranny and many have voted and chosen protection against a return to that tyranny. You can surely see why!

Those are the similarities. It's not a matter of belief.
Are there similarities I've listed you'd care to dispute.

Why is it wrong to compare the 2 ?
You yourself have acknowledged these are 2 threats of conflict going nuclear. I've listed the other similarities.
Can't think of a better comparison.

Russia's sovereignty is clearly at threat.
The EU is an expansionist union that has purchased nations through its economic power/allure.
Nato is the world's greatest military power that often follows EU expansion.

[Daffydd]

What do you think has been staged? This is live tv? War reporters are quite brave people with a history going back a few centuries Do you suggest that there are no bombs? Or only when they are there? Or People are hiding with their children in the underground just for some political point?


Innocent people are the first casualties if war

I'm not suggesting that this war is a fake TV production with actors. And no, I am not suggesting there are no bombs (how could you possible think that? I will file that alongside your bizarre moon-landing comment)

I am suggesting that some news segments are clearly staged to portray a point and manipulate public opinion. This happens all the time, in peace time too, and you must know that. People are hiding in the underground because they are scared and the media and politicians have been driving that. They have been willing this invasion for weeks and loving it. and loving the way the explosions "light up the night sky", the cunts.

In the build-up to this invasion we've seen newsmen following brave teenage Ukrainian lads through their network of trenches, and we have had photo opportunities of grannies with cardboard kalashnikovs. Live TV may be somewhat different (although it is still controlled) but these images are used to manipulate our emotions. For sure innocent people are casualties, twas always thus. And we get emotionally entangled. Meanwhile we forget the innocent casualties this week in Syria, Yemen etc because we don't really care, not really.

The BBC admitted that hostilities between Russia and Ukraine have been constantly ongoing since 2014, but we haven't given a shit about Ukraine until now. Like we didn't give a shit about Saddam gassing the Kurds until it suited us. What is fake about this conflict is the phoney media concern for innocent people and righteous indignation towards "madman" Putin. (In other news they will emphasise the importance of mental health while not questioning that of Boris, Biden, Trudeau...)

[Martyboy]

This whole thing is not about Russia vs Ukraine,this is about taking down the Khazarian Nazi Mafia(deep state/cabal)....Western media are owned by 6 corporations(all deep state/cabal owned)..The western media is pushing the WW3 narrative because they're broke!!....Lots of incriminating evidence inside Ukraine against these evil fuckers and the military intelligence agencies have found em out.....Have a listen to this fella....This is about liberating Ukraine and possibly the world from evil....:cool:

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=194003

[TheDOC1979]

Poor none “white” countries getting bombarded, invaded, homes destroyed on a daily basis, but it’s all about a poor European country and how much more civilised they are than those bombed before them.

Sky airs a step by step guide on making Molotov cocktails, Palestinians make hand made mini catapults to chuck rocks at tanks and heavily armoured personal and they’re the terrorists. Fuck the media and the bullshit it spits out on a daily basis.

[Martyboy]

Poor none “white” countries getting bombarded, invaded, homes destroyed on a daily basis, but it’s all about a poor European country and how much more civilised they are than those bombed before them.

Sky airs a step by step guide on making Molotov cocktails, Palestinians make hand made mini catapults to chuck rocks at tanks and heavily armoured personal and they’re the terrorists. Fuck the media and the bullshit it spits out on a daily basis.

Absolutely spot on Doc.....This is called The Great Awakening.....The world is not how we've all thought,there's serious evil that's been in control all our lives and far longer,they're being taken down and when it's done the world will be a far better place for it....:jaded:

[Nineteenx]

Absolutely spot on Doc.....This is called The Great Awakening.....The world is not how we've all thought,there's serious evil that's been in control all our lives and far longer, they're being taken down and when it's done the world will be a far better place for it....:jaded:

I've always been wide awake, don't under estimate status quo Marty and how our media had devolved the human species taking away it's long held inquisitive trait, want and ability to question

I thought Covid would be the Sodom and Gommorah moment, when billions had the chance or rather were forced to stay at home and had nothing but plenty of time to actually think about where they were with their life and where we were heading, I though when they had that considerable time to take stock, it would produce the 'never look back lest you be turned to a pillar of salt' moment

But as soon as the media started talking about 'freedom day' and 'getting back to normal' they were immediately brought under the spell again

You see it every where, how engrained the power of suggestion and leading the audience to think and perceive things a certain way is, there was this show on last night some people in the house were watching, Tine Turner impersonators, 2 were actually really very good, one was rank average, the hosts were leading the voting public in the direction of the rank average one AND, surprise surprise, they voted her through

[Nineteenx]

Any way, late tea now, think I'll have Chicken Kiev ;)

[CCTV]

Poor none “white” countries getting bombarded, invaded, homes destroyed on a daily basis, but it’s all about a poor European country and how much more civilised they are than those bombed before them.

Sky airs a step by step guide on making Molotov cocktails, Palestinians make hand made mini catapults to chuck rocks at tanks and heavily armoured personal and they’re the terrorists. Fuck the media and the bullshit it spits out on a daily basis.

They bollocked Russia for intervening in Syria too. Asked by Assad into Syria to stop ISIS taking Damascus. Russia bad.

If the eu & nato bombed poor white countries it would be deemed as noble as the wars in Middle East and Africa. You can already see since the 2000s onwards that western powers want to take Russia and remove Putin.

The molotov cocktails, is just a funny media spinner. There's been plenty of arms sent to Ukraine. The molotovs are just for show.

Props up the idea it's the poor Ukrainians making molotovs against a big Russian army.
Nothing to see here, no numerous billions from imf and World Bank just vanished. No big market for Western military contractors.

Even Trump, the most peaceful US president in decades, sent loads of arms to Ukraine.

[CCTV]

Much like a lot of the refugee troubles. Media shows poor children with watery eyes after being gassed.

Youtube shows mother blowing ciggy smoke into child's eyes for a good while to make the false claim the poor child was gassed, by defence forces protecting their borders.

It's kind of funny how those without borders have once again found great interest in borders.
Whilst national sovereignty has also become important, and not being under the control of a political union bloc is all the rage.
Even flooding Europe with refugees is seen as a military tactic from Putin.

[Daffydd]

When the mainstream media show fake news then it is a mistake, the fog of war, but when it's on social media it's called disinformation.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/27/7-fake-news-stories-coming-out-of-ukraine/

[CCTV]

When the mainstream media show fake news then it is a mistake, the fog of war, but when it's on social media it's called disinformation.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/27/7-fake-news-stories-coming-out-of-ukraine/

"NeverTrump Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) fell victim to internet pranksters over the weekend, retweeting the viral hoax that the “Ghost of Kyiv,” an alleged Ukrainian fighter ace, was a man called “Samuyil Hyde.” Tricksters are quick to spread memes naming American comedian Sam Hyde as the culprit in media events such as mass shootings. In this case, Rep. Kinzinger fell for a poor photoshop of Hyde into a cockpit along with an ethnic spin on his name."

Another representative in Canada I think spread the 4chan troll, that the Canadian freedom convey was in fact a collection of nazis.
That they were dog whistling heil hitler via a series of honk-honk.
That protesting with honks of the horn was coded nazism, so that honk-honk meant heil hitler, because they obviously were nazis.

The nazis used tuberculosis as a means to generate hate against the Jews. The media has used covid to generate hate against the unvaxed, and those who opposed the removal of human rights and the introduction of passports.

[Kev0909]

Don't worry lads the international criminal court will arrest all the russians for war crimes and the war wiill be over

Saved

!!!!!!!!!!!

lols

[Nineteenx]

Russia are guilty of breaking international law by illegally occupying another nations land/territory
Russia are guilty of war crimes for bombing civilian targets

Israel are guilty of both these things and have been consistently for over 40 years, but because they are a considered ally we don't report it or demand appropriate actions and sanctions - We take their money and accuse anyone demanding appropriate action for the same offences as Russia of being antisemitic

Saudi are guilty of both these things in their attacks on Yemen - We take their money for the bombs they have used to commit their continuing atrocities, we continue to take their money and sell them the bombs after every other nation has refused to sell them arms and bombs at the UN's request

Our news don't report any of the transgressions of either of our considered allies, nor do they push for sanctions from all quarters - That isn't the news reporting of a democracy

[Martyboy]

I've always been wide awake, don't under estimate status quo Marty and how our media had devolved the human species taking away it's long held inquisitive trait, want and ability to question

I thought Covid would be the Sodom and Gommorah moment, when billions had the chance or rather were forced to stay at home and had nothing but plenty of time to actually think about where they were with their life and where we were heading, I though when they had that considerable time to take stock, it would produce the 'never look back lest you be turned to a pillar of salt' moment

But as soon as the media started talking about 'freedom day' and 'getting back to normal' they were immediately brought under the spell again

You see it every where, how engrained the power of suggestion and leading the audience to think and perceive things a certain way is, there was this show on last night some people in the house were watching, Tine Turner impersonators, 2 were actually really very good, one was rank average, the hosts were leading the voting public in the direction of the rank average one AND, surprise surprise, they voted her through


Applied behavioural psychology....Half of that SAGE team are psychologists,the government have pretty much admitted as such....Keep you scared,keep you fearful....It worked for the vast majority sadly....:(

[Nineteenx]

Applied behavioural psychology....Half of that SAGE team are psychologists,the government have pretty much admitted as such....Keep you scared,keep you fearful....It worked for the vast majority sadly....:(

It drives me insane, my head, doing what it has always done, it just sees exactly what they're doing, it always has, all the techniques they're using in combination with the misinformation and omission of information

To me, and many others who aren't neurotypical, the most apparent problem is that almost all neurotypical people have an incredible want desire and need to be part of a clique or any given status quo making them so annoyingly susceptible to the techniques our media employ

This isn't meant to sound as a lot of people will no doubt take it, it's just 'how it is' 'matter of fact' to me, but the neurotypical minds susceptibility to be so easily manipulated by our media makes every one of them a danger to themselves, the planet and the human species

[scientificred]

Potentially polish air force joining the battlefield. we must remember their influence on our Battle of Britain

[CCTV]

Potentially polish air force joining the battlefield. we must remember their influence on our Battle of Britain

Well if you want ww3 with an increasing likelihood of nuclear conflict that's great news.

[Kev0909]

Well if you want ww3 with an increasing likelihood of nuclear conflict that's great news.

Rubbish anyway, obviously won't get involved if they uk etc aren't for the reason you've just said.

Worlds shit anyway, needs a restart

Heyho.

Eitherway he isn't going to stop- is it going to be better to leave it ?? when he takes a few more areas? builds up a bit more? has even more nukes? Doomed eitherway.

[CCTV]

Rubbish anyway, obviously won't get involved if they uk etc aren't for the reason you've just said.

Worlds shit anyway, needs a restart

Heyho.

Eitherway he isn't going to stop- is it going to be better to leave it ?? when he takes a few more areas? builds up a bit more? has even more nukes? Doomed eitherway.

There are a host of western thought leaders who've predicted the outbreak of war by pushing for further nato expansion, particularly in Ukraine & Georgia.

Best thing would be to stay out and leave it.
Bad for big nations to use little nations to provoke their big rivals.
Putting more energy and volatility into the situation will only be an escalatory force.

[Kev0909]

Depends what putin does in Ukraine, not going to go well on a nato border eitherway.

[Daffydd]

Former Liverpool forward Andriy Voronin says he's willing to take up arms and fight with the Ukrainian armed forces against "son of a b****" Vladimir Putin's ongoing invasion of the country.

Voronin, a 75 times capped Ukraine international, has been forced to leave his job as assistant manager of Dynamo Moscow as Russian forces continue to advance on Kyiv and surrounding areas of the country.

[redebreck]

Oil and gas companies profiteering from the "military exercises" in Ukraine.
What a surprise.
Let's all thank the conservative party for privatising everything and putting profits before people.
R Soles.

[Martyboy]

In the words of Harry Enfield doing the 3 scousers sketch...'Calm down,calm down eh'.....Some of you are still guilty of listening to the mainstream FAKE news for feck's sake!.....This operation was planned months possibly years ago...The Neo-Nazi's and the Khazarian Mafia inside Ukraine HAVE to and ARE being taken down for the good of ALL the people in the world by Putin's armies....I've done a lot of listening and a lot of research over the last 2 years.....This is all about the taking down of the Deep state/elite cabal/Khazarian Mafia....Have a read of Ben's preview.....:)

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=194680

[Kev0909]

Yeah all the families and Kids i've seen in clips dead are because they're all nazis

you're off your fucking head people starving because of medevial tactics, normal people like me and you.

Various and plenty independent joruno's out there, not just BBC

Putin is obviously full of shit too, that's for sure, them war exercies are going well aren't they, especially those russian 18 year old conscripts that have been captured without having a clue what they was doing

Some people really are fucking nuts.

[Nineteenx]

I think Putin's just lost it because he supported getting Trump and Johnson elected and Brexit voted for, expecting a US/EU trade war that would benefit Russia immensely in return

Then Biden gets elected and that fucks the entire plan up, including the full privatisation of our NHS as part of a US trade deal, the Tories didn't have all those meetings with massive US health providers and give them all our details for free in advance of Brexit for nothing

If you follow the thread of everything that was happening around Brexit, it's pretty obvious what the plan was and what was going on and who was involved, most people have spent their entire lives not following the thread though

[Martyboy]

Yeah all the families and Kids i've seen in clips dead are because they're all nazis

you're off your fucking head people starving because of medevial tactics, normal people like me and you.

Various and plenty independent joruno's out there, not just BBC

Putin is obviously full of shit too, that's for sure, them war exercies are going well aren't they, especially those russian 18 year old conscripts that have been captured without having a clue what they was doing

Some people really are fucking nuts.

Of course the civilians aren't all nazis Kev,sadly it's a war and innocent people get caught up in it as in almost every war...We all know Putin's an authoritarian bad ass but the genocidal evil regime they're trying to destroy are even worse...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VNkuEbDr4ard/

[Daffydd]

French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel has been covering the Nazi paramilitaries embedded in the Ukrainian forces. The so-called Azov battalion allied to Zalensky.

She also reminds us that this war started in 2014 and the Ukrainian army has been bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian population for 8 years.

The point is there is all sorts of bad shit going on, much of it unreported, and we will never know the whole truth

[CCTV]

French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel has been covering the Nazi paramilitaries embedded in the Ukrainian forces. The so-called Azov battalion allied to Zalensky.

She also reminds us that this war started in 2014 and the Ukrainian army has been bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian population for 8 years.

The point is there is all sorts of bad shit going on, much of it unreported, and we will never know the whole truth

Approximately 3-4% of the Ukrainian forces. And as they've said its not their share of the numbers, but their share of the effectiveness.
Us house of representatives voting unanimously to prevent US resources getting to them. And as we know the CIA & Presidents always abide by the house.

[CCTV]

I think Putin's just lost it because he supported getting Trump and Johnson elected and Brexit voted for, expecting a US/EU trade war that would benefit Russia immensely in return

Then Biden gets elected and that fucks the entire plan up, including the full privatisation of our NHS as part of a US trade deal, the Tories didn't have all those meetings with massive US health providers and give them all our details for free in advance of Brexit for nothing

If you follow the thread of everything that was happening around Brexit, it's pretty obvious what the plan was and what was going on and who was involved, most people have spent their entire lives not following the thread though

This reminds me of your WW3 prediction over Solemani. Fantasmical.

HRC was more feared than Bernie or Trump. Due to her involvement in the Nobel Peace Prize Presidency that ran out of bombs and not due to decommissioning.

[teesred]

Anybody read that article going around by gaslightinggilligan?
If not, read it. Its thought provoking.

[teesred]

https://gaslightinggilligan.com/2018/08/01/%e2%80%aabezmenovs-babes%e2%80%ac/

Here it is. Its long but well worth a read.

[Martyboy]

French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel has been covering the Nazi paramilitaries embedded in the Ukrainian forces. The so-called Azov battalion allied to Zalensky.

She also reminds us that this war started in 2014 and the Ukrainian army has been bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian population for 8 years.

The point is there is all sorts of bad shit going on, much of it unreported, and we will never know the whole truth

Excellent post mate....I watched this vid the other day.....Jimmy Dore shows you clips straight from the horses mouth so to speak from the Neo Nazi faction in Ukraine....:concern:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/aFbP8V9C3Lqs/

[Nineteenx]

This reminds me of your WW3 prediction over Solemani. ???

[CCTV]

???

It was a post you made on here about ww3 breaking out over his killing/murder.
It led me to believe you were using twitter for your foreign policy trends.

[CCTV]

It was also a post I found to be quite hilarious as a claim.

[CCTV]

https://gaslightinggilligan.com/2018/08/01/%e2%80%aabezmenovs-babes%e2%80%ac/

Here it is. Its long but well worth a read.

Some truths, a lot of garbage and some poor understanding of basic political concepts or Yuris depiction of the useful idiots. Like the conflation of far right with fascism. Fascism is a centrist philosophy.

Have you listened to Yuri Bezmenovs talks yourself ?

[teesred]

Some truths, a lot of garbage and some poor understanding of basic political concepts or Yuris depiction of the useful idiots. Like the conflation of far right with fascism. Fascism is a centrist philosophy.

Have you listened to Yuri Bezmenovs talks yourself ?

No mate I just read that article after being tagged on Faceache. I agree there's some far fetchedness to it but definitely a some things that make you think/question certain things.
Been reading about Azov thing. The western media really do pull the strings in favour of what they want to report.
The one thing Brexit taught me is that you really don't know who or what to believe, Who's right, who's wrong? They're nearly all pushing their own agenda.

[Nineteenx]

It was a post you made on here about ww3 breaking out over his killing/murder.
It led me to believe you were using twitter for your foreign policy trends.

Not me, the question marks were because I didn't have any recognition or recollection of what you were talking about

On my comments about Trump, Johnson, Putin and the NHS

I don't know where you are based but wherever it is there is something about the Tory party in the UK you don't seem to understand

There absolutely ultimate goal, their winning the Premier League or Champions League is the full privatisation of the NHS and moving everyone to an insurance based system like the US with those who can't afford it having to rely on charity, even though, as with most other privatised public services, their taxes are paying for the service

In all the Brexit negotiations Tory ministers and negotiators met with major US healthcare and insurance providers about the privatising of the NHS as part of a US/UK trade deal numerous time, even going as far as providing them with all our NHS patient records in preparation

The other health related issue that surfaced during Brexit negotiations was Trump, by his own words from his own big mouth, talking about the EU needing to pay the same rip off prices for medication that US citizens do, the beginnings of his planned trade war on the EU was the privatisation of our NHS and it paying the same astronomical prices for drugs as US citizens - If you weren't aware, it has long been the price negotiated between the US and UK for drugs that has set the price for the rest of Europe

If you follow the thread and put all the pieces together and pay attention it is blatantly obvious what was happening. Putin and Russia did interfere the the Eu referendum, 2 UK elections and the US election, it is a benefit to them if the UK is not in the EU, especially as our Gov has been so obliging in letting them wash their dirty stolen money through the UK in return for donations, a US EU trade war with the UK as a pawn in it, as it would have been had Trump been re-elected is obviously of considerable benefit to Russia also

[Daffydd]

A few days ago Dr Fauci claimed that tuberculosis was rife in Ukraine.

Other sources claimed there were high rates of diptheria, measles, rubella etc (especially near all of these bio laboratories)

Now, after snubbing so many Afghan refugees, the government are actually paying British households to take in Ukrainian refugees.

The media has picked up on fears of Russian spies infiltrating our families but surely the more obvious fear is of another pandemic.

[scientificred]

Does anyone know what happens to a nuclear missile if it is taken out?

[scientificred]

A few days ago Dr Fauci claimed that tuberculosis was rife in Ukraine.

Other sources claimed there were high rates of diptheria, measles, rubella etc (especially near all of these bio laboratories)

Now, after snubbing so many Afghan refugees, the government are actually paying British households to take in Ukrainian refugees.

The media has picked up on fears of Russian spies infiltrating our families but surely the more obvious fear is of another pandemic.

Maybe that is also a part of Putin's plan.

[Daffydd]

Maybe that is also a part of Putin's plan.

Surely is part of someone's plan. And who better to blame than the monster de jour.

[scientificred]

Surely is part of someone's plan. And who better to blame than the monster de jour.
I genuinely feel sorry for you.

[scientificred]

Beautiful daytime weather in Odessa today.

[Daffydd]

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

You don't know me. Perhaps you feel sorry for some imaginary idea of me that you have projected from the shadow of your own mind which reveals your own prejudices.

[Martyboy]

Makes interesting reading and IMHO makes a lot more sense than mainstream media's narrative....


https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195137

[reddownunder]

Makes interesting reading and IMHO makes a lot more sense than mainstream media's narrative....


https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195137

Wow I can get my UFO and mortgage advice in the same place.

[Kev0909]

Wow I can get my UFO and mortgage advice in the same place.

Don't forget the new world order

I'm surprised there isn't a earth is flat article on there too.

[justme]

The earths not flat. eveyone knows that.. The earh is a triangle shape!

[Martyboy]

Don't forget the new world order

I'm surprised there isn't a earth is flat article on there too.


She's fighting hard for it according to her.....Notice the cardboard guns...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4OP-cPgQo

[scientificred]

Good interview today with great labour mp and doctor who has recently visited Ukraine. She fears localised chemical or bio weapons being dropped into bunkers where people are hiding to drive them out and then be shot.
Also strange appearance by Putin in a packed flag-waving football stadium. Was he actually there?
Everything in the background seemed very out of focus

[scientificred]

I hear from ukranian radio reporter that Putin has moved his family to russian hinterland beyond the Ural mountains! To the back of beyond !.
Does anyone have other news of this?
More spooky stuff.

[redebreck]

I hear from ukranian radio reporter that Putin has moved his family to russian hinterland beyond the Ural mountains! To the back of beyond !.
Does anyone have other news of this?
More spooky stuff.

Weren't they living in Switzerland?

[scientificred]

Weren't they living in Switzerland?
Don't know redebreck.
I managed to find this link but of course unsubstantiated
https://www.news18.com/news/world/depressed-putin-orders-nuclear-evacuation-drill-moves-family-to-secret-safe-city-in-siberia-sparks-panic-4890932.html

[scientificred]

Of course the civilians aren't all nazis Kev,sadly it's a war and innocent people get caught up in it as in almost every war...We all know Putin's an authoritarian bad ass but the genocidal evil regime they're trying to destroy are even worse...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VNkuEbDr4ard/
re you still with this Martyboy?

[scientificred]

Any way, late tea now, think I'll have Chicken Kiev ;)
Comedy is not your best output 19x. I think you should stick to your day job re footballing posts. I question your Christianity which you have posted recently.

[scientificred]

Can anyone justify this war?
Curious for your reply

[Daffydd]

Can anyone justify this war?
Curious for your reply

I'd struggle to justify any war. It is usually a sign of earlier failings in international relations. Wars brew for years before they kick off.

[scientificred]

I'd struggle to justify any war. It is usually a sign of earlier failings in international relations. Wars brew for years before they kick off.
Thank you Daffydd . Don't think anyone saw this panning out quite like this. I think we need China now to be a peacemaker. I hope for peace and prosperity to everyone. Combat climate change together. Save the planet.

[redebreck]

Can anyone justify this war?
Curious for your reply


I'd struggle to justify any war. It is usually a sign of earlier failings in international relations. Wars brew for years before they kick off.

It's confusing, because of all the media involvement. There are so many differing views on how and why Russia invaded Ukraine. Some media sources are claiming Russia have gone in solely to deal with neo-nazis in the country.
How is anyone supposed to figure out the truth?

[scientificred]

It's confusing, because of all the media involvement. There are so many differing views on how and why Russia invaded Ukraine. Some media sources are claiming Russia have gone in solely to deal with neo-nazis in the country.
How is anyone supposed to figure out the truth?
What media do you trust Redebreck. Russia are decimating Ukrainian cities. Mariopol is like the Alamo. The residents remaining are drinking radiator water. Do you believe this? Millions are fleeing Ukraine. They were living s normal life a month ago. They tell a story. Soon it will be tens of millions if they are alive and allowed or else captured or killed and deported to the Siberia. UK should do better but I understand the island nation mentality.

[Nineteenx]

What media do you trust Redebreck. Russia are decimating Ukrainian cities. Mariopol is like the Alamo. The residents remaining are drinking radiator water. Do you believe this? Millions are fleeing Ukraine. They were living s normal life a month ago. They tell a story. Soon it will be tens of millions if they are alive and allowed or else captured or killed and deported to the Siberia. UK should do better but I understand the island nation mentality.

I get that they are decimating cities, but in such conflicts, I believe it would be quite normal for forces to use civilian buildings to try and take out invading military targets, I don't think they're just decimating them for the hell of it, I think they have probably come under fire from Ukranian forces using civilian buildings as cover - I'm not defending it, but that's probably what is happening

[Nineteenx]

Comedy is not your best output 19x. I think you should stick to your day job re footballing posts. I question your Christianity which you have posted recently.

That seemed funny at not at all offensive at the time of posting, I have a habit of that, I'm a proper Melvin Udall at times like that

[scientificred]

That seemed funny at not at all offensive at the time of posting, I have a habit of that, I'm a proper Melvin Udall at times like that
I like mostly like your posts 19x Loathing and hatred is not very Christian. It can eat you up!

[scientificred]

Putin apparently has been having treatment for thyroid cancer over this past year. I was concerned before reading this that maybe he had some kind of death wish. I do not understand his logic behind this war short of some kind of Armageddon but with Russia being somehow victorious. I have become to the thinking that somehow he has to be removed from power for the sake of mankind and the planet . Today there are terrible reports of mass killings reminiscent of Hitler. I cannot see any peace deal being acceptable to Ukraine without full russian withdrawal from their land and Putin being put on trial but I don't see any of these happening. In absence of that I fear the war will escalate until Putin is brought to trial. But what needs to happen to bring that about? The kidnapped mayor of Mariupol, now freed in exchange for russian prisoners, said his captors appeared totally brainwashed as to the crimes Ukraine was already committing against russian people and hence the invasion and justification for the decimation of his city, but added they were afraid to kill or torture him.

[Daffydd]

Biden has said that "Putin is a war criminal and should be put on trial". Thanks Joe, Russian lawyers may question how fair such a trial would be. Western lawyers say they may only be able to get him on a charge of "aggression".

[scientificred]

Biden has said that "Putin is a war criminal and should be put on trial". Thanks Joe, Russian lawyers may question how fair such a trial would be. Western lawyers say they may only be able to get him on a charge of "aggression".
I can only hope the russian people will rise up and depose him and put him on trial themselves.

[TheDOC1979]

All the Putin hate, but Zelensky is acting like a right old narcissistic cunt. Showing up at the grammars for a speech. It's become laughable now. Siding with nazis and pleading for help from an occupier in the form of zionists. This cunt wants to start world war 3 and place the blame on everyone else. Putin is a cunt too, but let's not all paste this hypocritical cunt as the world's next saviour.

[scientificred]

Who is pasting him as saviour. He is just standing up for his people. Always in fear if assassination and probably for rest of his life. Not laughable. Needs help. Not a cunt. Doesn't want ww3. We want world peace, let's all come together to save the planet. Climate change is coming down the tracks Doc for you and your family too.

[TheDOC1979]

Who is pasting him as saviour. He is just standing up for his people. Always in fear if assassination and probably for rest of his life. Not laughable. Needs help. Not a cunt. Doesn't want ww3. We want world peace, let's all come together to save the planet. Climate change is coming down the tracks Doc for you and your family too.

If he was going to be assassinated it would have already been done SR. Plenty of rats in Ukraine that would take an early retirement to have him done.

The good old media, showing him as a peace lover yet forgetting what atrocities he has committed to the Russian speaking people of Ukraine. Several of my Ukrainian work colleagues from the oppressed regions have plenty to say about him, his government and what goes on behind closed doors. This is how propaganda works. It's awful.

How do you propose we save a planet that its own people don't care about it being saved. Electric vehicles are just another cash cow, solar panels equally ridiculous.

I have patient family members who can't pay for bills because of what Ukraine/Russia and our current tory cunts have done to the world. Parents committing suicide leaving their kids behind because they can't face the burden of dealing with an inability to provide for their families.

Is it a coincidence that Biden has made a trip to the EU, convince those to purchase oil from them instead of Russia bettering their own economy and ruining Europe without a shred of remorse.

What's going on is sickening SR, it goes beyond climate change now.

[scientificred]

If he was going to be assassinated it would have already been done SR. Plenty of rats in Ukraine that would take an early retirement to have him done.

The good old media, showing him as a peace lover yet forgetting what atrocities he has committed to the Russian speaking people of Ukraine. Several of my Ukrainian work colleagues from the oppressed regions have plenty to say about him, his government and what goes on behind closed doors. This is how propaganda works. It's awful.

How do you propose we save a planet that its own people don't care about it being saved. Electric vehicles are just another cash cow, solar panels equally ridiculous.

I have patient family members who can't pay for bills because of what Ukraine/Russia and our current tory cunts have done to the world. Parents committing suicide leaving their kids behind because they can't face the burden of dealing with an inability to provide for their families.

Is it a coincidence that Biden has made a trip to the EU, convince those to purchase oil from them instead of Russia bettering their own economy and ruining Europe without a shred of remorse.

What's going on is sickening SR, it goes beyond climate change now.
I just pray for all wars to stop. People everywhere to come together. Look after this planet and all the creatures and plants and realise what we have. It is all we have and all life is precious Doc.

[Martyboy]

Lads,lads...Wakey wakey!...Pay attention....This is Ben's preview for this week....Fully available Thursday....Oh and by the way The Khazarian(old name for Ukraine) Mafia he mentions are THE root of the cause of all this crap we've been through the last couple of years with the COVID PLANdemic/Ukraine crisis(suddenly Covid disappeared for a while on mainstream TV did anyone notice?).....I keep saying STOP believing the 'narrative' mainstream media channels all over the world WANT you to believe....These fuckers OWN mainstream media!!....


https://benjaminfulford.net

[Nineteenx]

All the Putin hate, but Zelensky is acting like a right old narcissistic cunt. Showing up at the grammars for a speech. It's become laughable now. Siding with nazis and pleading for help from an occupier in the form of zionists. This cunt wants to start world war 3 and place the blame on everyone else. Putin is a cunt too, but let's not all paste this hypocritical cunt as the world's next saviour.


If he was going to be assassinated it would have already been done SR. Plenty of rats in Ukraine that would take an early retirement to have him done.

The good old media, showing him as a peace lover yet forgetting what atrocities he has committed to the Russian speaking people of Ukraine. Several of my Ukrainian work colleagues from the oppressed regions have plenty to say about him, his government and what goes on behind closed doors. This is how propaganda works. It's awful.

How do you propose we save a planet that its own people don't care about it being saved. Electric vehicles are just another cash cow, solar panels equally ridiculous.

I have patient family members who can't pay for bills because of what Ukraine/Russia and our current tory cunts have done to the world. Parents committing suicide leaving their kids behind because they can't face the burden of dealing with an inability to provide for their families.

Is it a coincidence that Biden has made a trip to the EU, convince those to purchase oil from them instead of Russia bettering their own economy and ruining Europe without a shred of remorse.

What's going on is sickening SR, it goes beyond climate change now.

Doc knows the score, he and I would have a fine conversation over a pint or two

[scientificred]

Doc knows the score, he and I would have a fine conversation over a pint or two
An old friend of mine used to say that one's not enough and two is too many with the understanding that many more will follow the second.

[Mike Lad]

Siding with nazis
What are you on about?


The good old media, showing him as a peace lover
I missed this. I just see a guy upset about his country being invaded.


what atrocities he has committed to the Russian speaking people of Ukraine
Go on...


Several of my Ukrainian work colleagues from the oppressed regions have plenty to say about him, his government and what goes on behind closed doors. This is how propaganda works. It's awful.
That's called hearsay, and it's a cornerstone of propaganda. "Siding with nazis" - that's propaganda. He's Jewish ffs.


Doc knows the score, he and I would have a fine conversation over a pint or two

Yeah I'm sure that would go down great with literally any sane person within earshot.

Embarrassed for both of you.

[justme]

Its evident was the scenario Putin wants the USSR back.. (inserts the beatles) Time will tell how far hes willing to go.

[CCTV]

What are you on about?


I missed this. I just see a guy upset about his country being invaded.


Go on...


That's called hearsay, and it's a cornerstone of propaganda. "Siding with nazis" - that's propaganda. He's Jewish ffs.



Yeah I'm sure that would go down great with literally any sane person within earshot.

Embarrassed for both of you.

Jews have sold weapons to dictators that later were used on jews.

Just because he's a jew doesn't really hold much water, it's like saying a man, woman, black, white, British person couldn't align with their identities supposed enemy.

You've the historical British voice of hitler.
You have beta male feminists.
You have feminist hating women, a majority.
You have black people dubbed the blackface of white supremacy like Larry Elder for not being a democrat.
You have white people renouncing their whiteness and calling for an end to systemic racism which they rarely can point to any examples other than different groups do better at different things.

Being something, doesn't prevent you from working against your people, or working with those who hate your people.

When the yanks worked with the Taliban, it was to hurt the USSR. Not exactly kindred souls.

Big Z is on video talking with Azov. War makes for strange bedfellows.

[CCTV]

Its evident was the scenario Putin wants the USSR back.. (inserts the beatles) Time will tell how far hes willing to go.

Doubt it, not logistically feasible, and this war has originated via the expansion of economic and military alliances into the once dubbed lebensraum.

[Mike Lad]

Jews have sold weapons to dictators that later were used on jews.

Just because he's a jew doesn't really hold much water, it's like saying a man, woman, black, white, British person couldn't align with their identities supposed enemy.

You've the historical British voice of hitler.
You have beta male feminists.
You have feminist hating women, a majority.
You have black people dubbed the blackface of white supremacy like Larry Elder for not being a democrat.
You have white people renouncing their whiteness and calling for an end to systemic racism which they rarely can point to any examples other than different groups do better at different things.

Being something, doesn't prevent you from working against your people, or working with those who hate your people.

When the yanks worked with the Taliban, it was to hurt the USSR. Not exactly kindred souls.

Big Z is on video talking with Azov. War makes for strange bedfellows.
Sure being Jewish doesn't mean you can't associate with, support, or even be a Nazi. But it's a pretty strong piece of evidence to the contrary.

Conversely I don't see a shred of evidence of him "siding with Nazis". Happy to be shown otherwise, though.

[CCTV]

Sure being Jewish doesn't mean you can't associate with, support, or even be a Nazi. But it's a pretty strong piece of evidence to the contrary.

Conversely I don't see a shred of evidence of him "siding with Nazis". Happy to be shown otherwise, though.

It's a logical assumption. Contradicted by evidence. The azov battalion are still part of Ukraines forces.

In 2018 iirc, US house of reps voted to prevent military aid being used to arm, fund or train Azov Batallion.
You might ask why this was stipulated.

In 2022, Nato removes tweet posted on international woman's day after the Internet points out those stunning and brave lasses are donning nazi symbols and a part of Azov.

As said the taliban were strange bedfellows for the yanks. Did they side with the taliban when providing them with arms ?
I'd suggest yes, providing weapons to one side in a conflict counts as siding with those peoples.

If you think arming a party to fight your enemy, counts as siding with them.
Then you have evidence for Azov/Nazis being sided with via the supply of munitions.

If that's not enough for you, you might want to set what would count as siding with them

[Mike Lad]

It's a logical assumption. Contradicted by evidence. The azov battalion are still part of Ukraines forces.

In 2018 iirc, US house of reps voted to prevent military aid being used to arm, fund or train Azov Batallion.
You might ask why this was stipulated.

In 2022, Nato removes tweet posted on international woman's day after the Internet points out those stunning and brave lasses are donning nazi symbols and a part of Azov.

As said the taliban were strange bedfellows for the yanks. Did they side with the taliban when providing them with arms ?
I'd suggest yes, providing weapons to one side in a conflict counts as siding with those peoples.

If you think arming a party to fight your enemy, counts as siding with them.
Then you have evidence for Azov/Nazis being sided with via the supply of munitions.

If that's not enough for you, you might want to set what would count as siding with them

Tbh you sound like Fox News. Trying to polarise everything and avoiding any shred of nuance.

I suppose you reckon Corbyn was antisemitic as well.

What would I count as siding with Nazis? I dunno, sharing a similar core ideology for a start. If you want to take "siding with" at face value to mean "faced a common enemy during a conflict", then yes, there's an awful lot of that going on. But that's a propaganda tool the likes of Putin will use to encourage people to believe things that are fundamentally not true.

[CCTV]

Tbh you sound like Fox News. Trying to polarise everything and avoiding any shred of nuance.

I suppose you reckon Corbyn was antisemitic as well.

What would I count as siding with Nazis? I dunno, sharing a similar core ideology for a start. If you want to take "siding with" at face value to mean "faced a common enemy during a conflict", then yes, there's an awful lot of that going on. But that's a propaganda tool the likes of Putin will use to encourage people to believe things that are fundamentally not true.

I think you're projecting

Why make assumptions and bring in Corbyn.
Here's what I've said about the UK elections:
the amount of islamophobia and antisemitism accusations were embarrassing to see. Stupid stuff. Political smear games.
Jeremy's reply to charges of Antisemitism in that interview where he said, but islamophobia, was car crash pr.

Nuance can develop along a conversation.
So far I've added nuance to your but he's a jew stance.
I've added the nuance by providing the year in which the US House of representatives voted to prevent Azov/Nazis being armed - further.
I've added Nato in 2022 removing their post after people pointed to the nazi/azov battalions nazi symbols.

I added nuance by saying that war makes strange bedfellows.

If you like nuance, maybe refrain from saying not a shred of evidence.

Propaganda around this war from what I've seen, is largely a western thing.

[Mike Lad]

Why make assumptions and bring in Corbyn.
Because it's a similar thing. Smear campaign that people end up parroting. Reminded me of the whole fiasco.



So far I've added nuance to your but he's a jew stance.
Lol. My "but he's a Jew" stance? Ok. I said what I wanted to say. If people want to play devil's stupid fucking nephew and bring up Nazis then that's their business. Or as you might call it, their "but he's a Nazi" stance.

Peace.

[CCTV]

Because it's a similar thing. Smear campaign that people end up parroting. Reminded me of the whole fiasco.



Lol. My "but he's a Jew" stance? Ok. I said what I wanted to say. If people want to play devil's stupid fucking nephew and bring up Nazis then that's their business. Or as you might call it, their "but he's a Nazi" stance.

Peace.

Yes, same happened with Bojo and Farage.

You said:
That's called hearsay, and it's a cornerstone of propaganda. "Siding with nazis" - that's propaganda. He's Jewish ffs.
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He has sided with Nazis, Azov are nazis.
They have nazi symbols on their uniforms, they use nazi slogans and numerology.
Ukraine has a murky enough history, from the holdomor through to killing Jews as nazi ss.

The US house of representatives stipulated against them for that very reason.
Several years later they have Nato accidentally posting nazi symbology donning freedom fighters.

[Martyboy]

WW3's here already and it's hotting up....Greta finally admits there isn't a climate crisis and UFO sightings are going through the roof!....This week's full newsletter from Ben Fulford.....

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=197417

[Nineteenx]

Laughably, Israel apparently waded in today and said things about Russian forcibly taking another nations land and being in breach of international law :D :D :D Does the Israeli Primeminister understand irony or hypocrisy, the absolute nerve of him

[Martyboy]

Heard this said online a few times by various commentators.....Here's the recent UN Resolution condemning Nazism....The only 2 countries who voted AGAINST the resolution were the US and Ukraine...

https://countercurrents.org/2021/12/u-s-and-ukraine-only-two-countries-vote-against-un-resolution-condemning-nazism/

[Mike Lad]

Yes, same happened with Bojo and Farage.

You said:
That's called hearsay, and it's a cornerstone of propaganda. "Siding with nazis" - that's propaganda. He's Jewish ffs.
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He has sided with Nazis, Azov are nazis.
They have nazi symbols on their uniforms, they use nazi slogans and numerology.
Ukraine has a murky enough history, from the holdomor through to killing Jews as nazi ss.

The US house of representatives stipulated against them for that very reason.
Several years later they have Nato accidentally posting nazi symbology donning freedom fighters.
Can you just forget I ever mentioned the Jew thing? It has literally nothing to do with my argument. It was a throwaway comment of exasperation, designed to show the absolute absurdity of the suggestion that Zelensky shares Nazi beliefs.

You seem to have read something along the lines of "he's Jewish, therefore it is impossible for him to x, y, and z". That is not an assertion I have ever made.

The thing about propaganda is that it doesn't have to be false. It can be factual. It's just a matter of how you present those facts. When people put out the narrative that he "sides with Nazis", that is propaganda designed to make people think he personally shares Nazi ideology. You can be selective with the facts you present to people in order to make them jump to irrational conclusions. All I'm saying is that's what's going on here. "Siding with Nazis" is far too simple a phrase to describe the big picture here. And since "side with" is a phrase very commonly used to mean "agree with", it muddies things even further. I personally think it's irresponsible to spout it, regardless of how technically correct you can show yourself to be.

Also the USA/NATO are slightly more independent bodies with more clout and less reliance on other nations than Ukraine, so this idea that because Nato did a thing, therefore it's a moral constant throughout the globe is just wrong for me.

[Nineteenx]

Propoganda is inventing antisemitism claims against a political party who dare to justly criticise the Israeli Gov (UK allies) for their breaches of international law and illegal occupation of Palestine and their act of genocide which are not different from what Russia are doing in Ukraine

[scientificred]

I believe in the news I hear from sky regarding Ukraine. It is sad. I do not think we have seen news reporting like this before. So much mobile phone stuff. It is horrific and tragic. All wars are tragic. This war and all wars need to stop but I do not see an end. Putin from his point cannot be seen to lose. That is dangerous. We will be back to a cold war that is much colder than the cold war that was before. More money spent on nuclear weapons than ever before. We need the world to come together to sort out climate change otherwise many islands will be submerged and food supplies will be jeopardised and there will be millions of transient refugees and regardless of where you live you will be affected.
And people need to stop this cleverness of knowledge of world affairs via spurious internet links and acknowledge this. Call me naive . It is the truth.

[scientificred]

The sinking of the Russian flagship is the biggest embarrassment since their naval defeat to Japan in 1904/5. Remember reading about it in school.
Does not bode well for how Putin will react.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima

[Nineteenx]

One thing about the 'civilian targets', all the weapons the west have been arming Ukraine with and deploying drone strikes themselves also, do people think that the Ukranian fighters were stood out in the open with these weapons with a big sign saying "Over here" they'll have been hiding in civilian buildings, using them as cover, snipers and rocket launchers used on Russian forces from there, such things are inevitable in such a conflict

If Ukranian forces have been using civilian buildings as cover, which they will undoubtedly have been doing, the invading forces and going to target any building they are taking fire from

[Daffydd]

We all have our favourite news sources, often ones which confirm our own bias. It is hard to find an unbiased news service, and they have generally become far more 'tabloidy' in recent years. They have an agenda.

(I confess I have never watched Sky News as I dismissed it as Murdoch's TV version of the S*n when it was launched, that's my own bias.)

The British media talk about 'propaganda' as if it is purely the work of dastardly Johnny Foreigner but the news we receive is slanted and biased too. Sure there is fake news on the internet but there is also truth where the mainstream media refuse to go.

It is the 40th anniversary of the Falklands War and interesting to look at the old news coverage - propaganda - and attitudes to so-called "war crimes". The truth about these old conflicts is still coming out so I doubt we are getting the truth about Ukraine.

And as for 'civilian targets', the West should know full well about that after our own recent invasions on foreign soil. Twas always thus.

[CCTV]

Can you just forget I ever mentioned the Jew thing? It has literally nothing to do with my argument. It was a throwaway comment of exasperation, designed to show the absolute absurdity of the suggestion that Zelensky shares Nazi beliefs.

You seem to have read something along the lines of "he's Jewish, therefore it is impossible for him to x, y, and z". That is not an assertion I have ever made.

The thing about propaganda is that it doesn't have to be false. It can be factual. It's just a matter of how you present those facts. When people put out the narrative that he "sides with Nazis", that is propaganda designed to make people think he personally shares Nazi ideology. You can be selective with the facts you present to people in order to make them jump to irrational conclusions. All I'm saying is that's what's going on here. "Siding with Nazis" is far too simple a phrase to describe the big picture here. And since "side with" is a phrase very commonly used to mean "agree with", it muddies things even further. I personally think it's irresponsible to spout it, regardless of how technically correct you can show yourself to be.

Also the USA/NATO are slightly more independent bodies with more clout and less reliance on other nations than Ukraine, so this idea that because Nato did a thing, therefore it's a moral constant throughout the globe is just wrong for me.

You've made an inference from a statement, and then argue the statement you made an inference from is propaganda because you disagree with that inference you made from it.
I disagree with this argument strongly.

NATO posted Ukrainian pr and deleted it after the Internet complained about the nazi symbols on their kit.

The de-nazify claims of Putin, on a very surface level seem more reasonable than not as a result of pro-Ukraine pr - that was problematic.

Your argument, is yeah there might be Ukraine pr with nazi symbols on their kit. But it doesn't mean Zelensky agrees with Nazi ideology. That's correct.
Perhaps he's just happy to use them as they've been active. Perhaps other interested partners are happy too.

For others I'd suspect the more natural reaction would be...
Yeah they've been there from the start and before Zelensky, accredited with lots of activity against ethnic Russians.
Or,
What the fuck is going on, why are the good guys at nato posting their good guys&gals in Ukraine with Nazi symbols on their kit?

Zelensky was elected as his platform resonated, he's largely failed to deliver.
Corruption and conflict continued, relations with Russia worsened.

Putins propaganda is allegedly his de-nazify claim. Groups who have been running amuck since the pro-EU/NATO revolution, donning nazi symbols.
The other is that German & Yank led EU/Nato expansion poses security risks to Russia. I'd say that is a reasonably well founded claim.

In contrast, perhaps biased by the amount of content I see from the west, it appears as though propaganda is more a western issue.
More generally there has been a lot of RussiaBad messaging.

[scientificred]

That sinking of a battleship that size has not happened since the sinking of the Belgrano in the Falklands war. Incidentally I thought that incident was cruel and unnecessary.

[Martyboy]

Scary stuff from these lunatics at the World Economic Forum....Humans are now 'hackable' animals and 'free will' is a thing of the past.....Their 'Great Reset' aint for the good of what they call the '90% of useless eaters'....:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGGqJgQOoo

[CCTV]

Scary stuff from these lunatics at the World Economic Forum....Humans are now 'hackable' animals and 'free will' is a thing of the past.....Their 'Great Reset' aint for the good of what they call the '90% of useless eaters'....:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvGGqJgQOoo

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State–a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values–interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.
Mussolini/WEF

[TheDOC1979]

Laughably, Israel apparently waded in today and said things about Russian forcibly taking another nations land and being in breach of international law :D :D :D Does the Israeli Primeminister understand irony or hypocrisy, the absolute nerve of him

Haha, they understand nothing. Absolutely horrible state (not a country) committing all kinds of atrocities daily, but not an eyelid batted.

[scientificred]

Haha, they understand nothing. Absolutely horrible state (not a country) committing all kinds of atrocities daily, but not an eyelid batted.
I had a close palestinian relative who had not been able to see his mum for I think 40 years.

[Mike Lad]

I do see eyelids batted at Isreal fairly frequently. Just not often in a public forum. No one wants to be smeared as a racist for criticising foreign policy. :disturbed:

[scientificred]

First time I heard Australia and China mentioned publicly today by Russia spokesman. Spooky

[TheDOC1979]

I had a close palestinian relative who had not been able to see his mum for I think 40 years.

It's blatant apartheid mate.

[scientificred]

It's blatant apartheid mate.

I am very worried about the world right now doc. I have never been happy about the world but now I feel very sad. I only have war experience from things that happened in a far off land. My father was a flight lieutenant in WW2and my grandfather was a private combatant in WW1. Both wars to end all wars hopefully. So they thought . I cannot see an end game with this war. I am frightened to tell the truth.

[TheDOC1979]

I am very worried about the world right now doc. I have never been happy about the world but now I feel very sad. I only have war experience from things that happened in a far off land. My father was a flight lieutenant in WW2and my grandfather was a private combatant in WW1. Both wars to end all wars hopefully. So they thought . I cannot see an end game with this war. I am frightened to tell the truth.

Same here. The state we're in at the moment is a worry.

There was a post on twitter recently which stated that you during an election, when you chose the lesser of two evils to vote for in a "democratic election" clearly shows the stare we're in.

[scientificred]

I will put this out here, and not to condone Russia's present actions, but they have never got proper recognition for their part in winning WWII. It still hurts

[Nineteenx]

I will put this out here, and not to condone Russia's present actions, but they have never got proper recognition for their part in winning WWII. It still hurts

I agree, it was won because of them

How our Gov, the US and others are getting involved in this is costing lives and risking an incredibly dangerous escalation, if they'd not interfered, as Ukraine are not part of the EU or NATO and none of them really have any right to get involved and effectively wage war against Russia, just without putting their own troops on the ground, this conflict would already be over, lots of Ukranian civilian lives would have been spared, and the risk of future conflict through NATO trying to expand to positions right on the Russian border removed

[redebreck]

I will put this out here, and not to condone Russia's present actions, but they have never got proper recognition for their part in winning WWII. It still hurts

I can see why. Huge effect on the conflict. Hitler effectively split his resources in order to try to conquer Russia. Had he not done, heaven knows what would have ensued.

[Daffydd]

Supplying weapons and intelligence to one side but without "getting involved" is the kind of snide shit housery that we usually accuse Johnny Foreigner of.

And Wimbledon tennis club banning Russian and Belarusian players from competing can fuck off and all. "We stand with everyone affected by the war in Ukraine" - aye except for the Russians affected. What a bunch of cnts.

One love.

[justme]

ONE LOVEEEEEEE. just not for the Ukrainians who are being slaughtered

[Daffydd]

ONE LOVEEEEEEE. just not for the Ukrainians who are being slaughtered

"just not" is exclusion, and exclusion will never lead to peace.

even if a war ends militarily it still continues in peoples minds

[justme]

Well tell that to Russians who have invaded and are murdering and raping.. Tell them to have some peace

[Daffydd]

yeah and the Ukrainians, and all the Western countries involved, no exclusion

[justme]

so just sit back and take it. is that what your saying??

[Daffydd]

so just sit back and take it. is that what your saying??

No.

Wars happen because we separate people, exclude them, see them as 'other', and as separate from 'us', when in reality we are all one humanity, brothers and sisters. One Love. ...but we don't trust love so it is easier to be in fear and exclude 'other' people. and if we see them as 'other' then it is easier to hate and kill them (or to supply weapons for someone else to do the dirty work). Russia and Ukraine have been fighting for years, and we in the West haven't given a damn about them until now that it suits us.

Wars also happen because the masses buy into the old idea of "good guys and bad guys" (more separation), they think: "Russian bad, Ukrainian good" when for sure there are crimes being committed by both sides, just like in any other war you can think of. It's just that we justify the crimes on one side because we separate and identify with one side.

Excluding tennis players from Wimbledon because they are from Russia or Belarus is promoting exclusion and war, it does fuck all to help Ukraine. It further promotes the idea that Russians are 'other', and different to us. It is the same mentality that last century saw the great British public killing German dog breeds that were formerly beloved pets. Crazy.

The more we separate and divide the harder it will be to build peace when this is all over.

[justme]

Peace as never been attained in the entire history of human kind..Right now its not possible and i doubt it ever will be. Be nice to live in a world without war and poverty and hunger.. But right now its not realistic. and all we can do is fight back oppression

[Daffydd]

so just sit back and take it. is that what your saying??

That's the thing, the West has been sitting back and letting Ukraine take it. This conflict has been going on for years and we sat back, if we want world peace then we need to work at it, at least as hard as we work at war.


Peace as never been attained in the entire history of human kind..Right now its not possible and i doubt it ever will be. Be nice to live in a world without war and poverty and hunger.. But right now its not realistic. and all we can do is fight back oppression

Everyone argues that they are fighting back oppression. Putin reckons he is rooting out Nazis in Ukraine.

This week defence minister James Heappey said it was "entirely legitimate" for Ukraine to take the war to Russia and attack military targets on Russian soil, further escalating the war. He said that attacking supply lines is a "legitimate part of war".

What if Putin decides okay, it's legitimate for Russia to attack Ukraine's supply lines too? Like bombing the British towns where anti-tank missiles are made? fair enoughski? This is going to escalate because it is the only way people can see.

[scientificred]

Putin does not like UN but still a member state. UN is failed. Like League of Nations pre WW II.

[scientificred]

Worried about new idea that nuclear power is the way forward. This war in Ukraine is highlighting how fragile and dangerous that technology is.

[scientificred]

I agree, it was won because of them

How our Gov, the US and others are getting involved in this is costing lives and risking an incredibly dangerous escalation, if they'd not interfered, as Ukraine are not part of the EU or NATO and none of them really have any right to get involved and effectively wage war against Russia, just without putting their own troops on the ground, this conflict would already be over, lots of Ukranian civilian lives would have been spared, and the risk of future conflict through NATO trying to expand to positions right on the Russian border removed
Disagree entirely 19x. Putin's initial idea was that Ukraine would humbly submit and then progress further west to restore what was USSR . He failed. It is still his idiotic idea but he cannot be seen to fail. He was stupid and now he has lost lots of soldiers and hardware. He will carry on with this stupidity. He will decimate all of Ukraine and its people. Once they were close. Ukraine had the most nuclear bombs but resolved to give then up in exchange for never being attacked Sooner or later there will be a tactical nuclear bomb. From my understanding that will take our something like a football stadium but the far-reaching impact no-one knows

[Daffydd]

Disagree entirely 19x. Putin's initial idea was that Ukraine would humbly submit and then progress further west to restore what was USSR . He failed. It is still his idiotic idea but he cannot be seen to fail. He was stupid and now he has lost lots of soldiers and hardware. He will carry on with this stupidity. He will decimate all of Ukraine and its people. Once they were close. Ukraine had the most nuclear bombs but resolved to give then up in exchange for never being attacked Sooner or later there will be a tactical nuclear bomb. From my understanding that will take our something like a football stadium but the far-reaching impact no-one knows

Do we know for a fact what Putin's thinking was? The Western media seems intent on portraying him as a madman (as they do with all bogeymen... Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Kim Jong-un etc) and as stupid. If he's so stupid he should be easy to outwit, no?

[CCTV]

Do we know for a fact what Putin's thinking was? The Western media seems intent on portraying him as a madman (as they do with all bogeymen... Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Kim Jong-un etc) and as stupid. If he's so stupid he should be easy to outwit, no?

It's a peculiar impression that Putin is seeking to re-form the USSR.
I wonder how such people view him being able to do it ?

[Nineteenx]

It's a peculiar impression that Putin is seeking to re-form the USSR.
I wonder how such people view him being able to do it ?

The propaganda of our media is equally as bad as that of Russia, North Korea or anywhere else

People are far too quick to believe what they tell them or how they portray people or world events

Is Putin paranoid? Almost certainly - Having considerable natural resources and having seen the US aided and abetted by the UK rape loot and pillage the middle east for it's natural resources, based on those nations being a falsified perceived threat, is he right to be paranoid and is it surprising he has decided to take action to try and stop the Ukraine joining NATO and UK, US and other forces building weapons caches and forces on Russia's border, not really in my opinion

[scientificred]

It's a peculiar impression that Putin is seeking to re-form the USSR.
I wonder how such people view him being able to do it ?
Putin bitterly resents the split up of the USSR. Take back Ukraine and arm that new border.
Russia has a new friendship with China. China wants Taiwan back.
North Korea wants South Korea
Serbia is uncomfortable with Kosovo.
I am surmising quite darkly but could these situations if they flare up spread somewhat simultaneously and create so much mayhem that US forces are so thinly spread that NATO without US is helpless as is US itself. And UN is rendered useless too And then Russia will retake what it sees fit . Can't happen? Add in the likelihood of the transatlantic cable being taken out and massive cyber attacks at opportune moments.
I hope not! But we live in an ever more fragile world
Just my thoughts in answer to your question CCTV.

[Daffydd]

Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.

Vladimir Putin

[scientificred]

Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.

Vladimir Putin
Is that a quote Daffyd? If so from when? And was it a good translation ? I hope so ! My perception of Putin has changed from being a clever chess player to being unhinged. I fear he is vengeful against former USSR states and the former Warsaw pact countries despite the fact that they wanted Russia away and have voted against them. Yes there are russian speaking people in those countries who still like the idea of always having sausages and a roof over their head. Is that your expectancy in life ?

[CCTV]

Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.

Vladimir Putin

While this might dissuade some about Putins intentions.
I'm looking for a coherent explanation of the how, from those who believe it.

[scientificred]

While this might dissuade some about Putins intentions.
I'm looking for a coherent explanation of the how, from those who believe it.
I have offered my reply dear CCTV. I fear it is possible Are you saying it is not coherent?

[Daffydd]

Is that a quote Daffyd? If so from when? And was it a good translation ? I hope so ! My perception of Putin has changed from being a clever chess player to being unhinged. I fear he is vengeful against former USSR states and the former Warsaw pact countries despite the fact that they wanted Russia away and have voted against them. Yes there are russian speaking people in those countries who still like the idea of always having sausages and a roof over their head. Is that your expectancy in life ?

I don't know, I just googled Putin quotes and there were a few. Here's another:

"There used to be the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. There used to be Soviet troops in the GDR. And we must honestly admit that they were occupation troops, which remained in Germany after WWII under the guise of allied troops. Now these occupation troops are gone, the Soviet Union has collapsed, and the Warsaw Pact is no more. There is no Soviet threat, but NATO and U.S. troops are still in Europe. What for?"

Fair enoughski? He also (allegedly) said:

"There was no need to destroy the Soviet Union, it could have been reformed"

So yeah, he probably missed having that union, that sense of security and strength.

European Union good, Soviet Union bad. Putin (perhaps tongue in cheek) has in the past asked to join the EU, and NATO, and has been told to fuck off. Why can't we all just get along?

The West (politicians/media) seemingly refuse to listen to Putin's concerns and just lazily right him off as mad. These are the same people who will tell you how much they care about our mental health in the community.

It is pleasing that so many top tennis players have spoken out about Wimbledon's ban on Russian and Belarus players. Apparently these players can play, but only if they sign a declaration condemning Putin. That's usually the kind of tactics we are so appalled by when used by terrorists or dictators.

[scientificred]

I don't know, I just googled Putin quotes and there were a few. Here's another:

"There used to be the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. There used to be Soviet troops in the GDR. And we must honestly admit that they were occupation troops, which remained in Germany after WWII under the guise of allied troops. Now these occupation troops are gone, the Soviet Union has collapsed, and the Warsaw Pact is no more. There is no Soviet threat, but NATO and U.S. troops are still in Europe. What for?"

Fair enoughski? He also (allegedly) said:

"There was no need to destroy the Soviet Union, it could have been reformed"

So yeah, he probably missed having that union, that sense of security and strength.

European Union good, Soviet Union bad. Putin (perhaps tongue in cheek) has in the past asked to join the EU, and NATO, and has been told to fuck off. Why can't we all just get along?

The West (politicians/media) seemingly refuse to listen to Putin's concerns and just lazily right him off as mad. These are the same people who will tell you how much they care about our mental health in the community.

It is pleasing that so many top tennis players have spoken out about Wimbledon's ban on Russian and Belarus players. Apparently these players can play, but only if they sign a declaration condemning Putin. That's usually the kind of tactics we are so appalled by when used by terrorists or dictators.

Quite a good post Daffyd!

[scientificred]

Quite a good post Daffyd!
I would add that I remember a time when George W Bush said something like (in his Texan drawl) "Mar fraind, Vladimir Pootun, is welcome on mar rarnch ainytaime"
(In plain English - my friend Vladimir Putin is welcome on my ranch anytime).
How far we have become from such days!

[scientificred]

Russia national tv showed a program last Sunday at primetime depicting Britain and us as public enemy number 1 and collectively calling them thr anglo-saxons. The program went on to describe various ways they could destroy Britain.
The presenter stated something like 'britain is just a small island, one missile would sink it forever'.
There was also a simulation of massive tsunami caused by an underwater torpedo that would also wipe out all of Britain and Ireland.
Managed to find this clip...
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/03/russian-state-tv-shows-nuclear-tsunami-wiping-out-uk/
Scary stuff

[Martyboy]

Just spend a few minutes and listen to Ben Fulford...Our government,Canada's fascist prick Trudeau and Biden's fake admin are the problem that needs taking down...Read the document he aludes to in the vid....It's ALL making sense to me now....

https://benjaminfulford.net/category/weekly-video-reports/...April 22/22


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/us-uk-and-canada-walk-out-g20-meeting-war-in-ukraine-russia

[scientificred]

Whatever of you soldiers are left in that Azov steel factory, whether you are part of that so-called neo nazi brigade or other wise, you have shown amazing resolve, everyone wrote you off yet you are still there, if you can hold on for 4 more days you will be pissing on Putin's victory Day parade. You will be being bombed to bits to make sure that does not happen. The civilians with you are probably your close family. Putin would gladly hope you all die an ignominious death, trapped underground.
I salute you!
And I hope you manage to find a way out!

[scientificred]

Black sea needs to be open. So many countries struggling for food from Ukraine. The next option is India but they are struggling due to massive heatwave and poor harvest this year. Odessa needs to be open with a route through the black sea and that necessitates some military presence. Russia would give it in return for relaxation of sanctions. I thought UK had ships there! Are they still there?

[CCTV]

I have offered my reply dear CCTV. I fear it is possible Are you saying it is not coherent?

It's more coherent than some of your other off topic posts :)

[scientificred]

It's more coherent than some of your other off topic posts :)
Thank you!

[scientificred]

Not a good start to the grain shipment deal out of Odessa. Not good that UK is also trying to pull out of international agreements itself. we are in danger of setting a precedent with unforeseen consequences. You either lied to us Boris about that great Brexit deal or you and your many advisors are buffoons for signing it!
It was always going to be a problem!

[scientificred]

Should a nuclear incident evolve regarding the nuclear power plant in Ukraine then Russian communities will be more at risk owing to the generally prevailing wind, west to east

[CCTV]

Should a nuclear incident evolve regarding the nuclear power plant in Ukraine then Russian communities will be more at risk owing to the generally prevailing wind, west to east

You should refrain from developing a fetishism around nuclear fall out.

The cold War policy was indeed a scorched earth, Dr strangelove policy from both sides.
If this was goes nuclear, we are well and truly fucked.

[scientificred]

You should refrain from developing a fetishism around nuclear fall out.

The cold War policy was indeed a scorched earth, Dr strangelove policy from both sides.
If this was goes nuclear, we are well and truly fucked.
Dear CCTV, and I think you should refrain from making muddled comments!

[scientificred]

Perhaps half a million potential conscripts have left Russia in the past week. They are going to places like Georgia and Mongolia and Finland and other countries too Huge queues at the border.

[scientificred]

Russia bombs landed today in Poland
What next?

[Daffydd]

Russia bombs landed today in Poland
What next?

A strike on a NATO member is a convenient excuse for escalation.

I see Ukraine are going to sue Russia for breaking environmental law...

[Daffydd]

NATO say the missiles that hit Poland were Ukrainian...

[Martyboy]

Even EU nazi Jens Stoltenberg moved quickly to dispel the rumours it was Russia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OrNLzoCc3g

[Daffydd]

One year on and the "West" has donated over 60 Billion dollars to the war...

Joe Biden joined the well-worn path to Kyiv... posing for photos amid the wail of air raid sirens...

...then the BBC reported that he had told Putin of his visit in advance "for deconfliction purposes"

I wonder if the level of shelling in Kyiv was more or less than usual?!

[CCTV]

https://youtu.be/JsilnLnyWCA

[Martyboy]

https://youtu.be/JsilnLnyWCA

Trudeau is one of the WEF's 'global young leaders'....Most of the leaders in the western world are..(Sunak and Macron amongst others)....Selected not elected....They're trying their hardest to implement their 'Great Reset' agenda.....'By 2030 we'll all own nothing and be happy' according to leader Klaus Schwab...Feckin fascists!!..:mad-new:

[redebreck]

https://youtu.be/JsilnLnyWCA

Cannot understand how or why the Canadian politicians did not realise the guy was a hard-core Nazi.

[CCTV]

Cannot understand how or why the Canadian politicians did not realise the guy was a hard-core Nazi.

He was introduced as having fought against Russia in ww2, for an average person that would be enough for the penny to drop.

My guess these politicos don't care, just mad to pump up house/rent prices with immigrants/refugees and see big companies like raytheon and Blackrock get more money.

[Kev0909]

Israel v Gaza starting again.......

You know.. what israel do I don't blame the Palestinian people for fighting back and being angry.... "terrorist groups" they say, unpopular opinion no doubt...... but more like fuck you and taking over our turf and treating our people like complete shit etc...... you know what, fair play, they know they can't win, they know they'll get bombed to shit yet they still kick off...... that's how frustrated they are, and how wrong israel are being.

Viva la 'Palestinian's

[redebreck]

Israel v Gaza starting again.......

You know.. what israel do I don't blame the Palestinian people for fighting back and being angry.... "terrorist groups" they say, unpopular opinion no doubt...... but more like fuck you and taking over our turf and treating our people like complete shit etc...... you know what, fair play, they know they can't win, they know they'll get bombed to shit yet they still kick off...... that's how frustrated they are, and how wrong israel are being.

Viva la 'Palestinian's

A relative of mine lives in Israel. He's done his national service over there. I don't know to what degree the common people over there are aware of what's going on with the Palestinians. Maybe their press is like ours, feeding the government line to the populace.
It's a mess.

[Kev0909]

ofc america getting involved sending ships "just incase" nearby.......

honestly can't israel cope without them one of the most advance army's in the world?? against Hamas?????? jesus wept.

[justme]

they doing it because of fear or escalation from the other lunatic nations surrounding Israel. several Jewish people have been shot dead in Egypt..
And our government as put the police on standby in case parts of the Jewish community is attacked in the UK. by other lunatics

[Daffydd]

A relative of mine lives in Israel. He's done his national service over there. I don't know to what degree the common people over there are aware of what's going on with the Palestinians. Maybe their press is like ours, feeding the government line to the populace.
It's a mess.

I've met quite a few Israelis in Britain through work, they all did their compulsory national service but they do know what's going on. At least when they spend a bit of time over here they do.

[ianlfc]

Ya play with feathers, Ya get your arse tickled.

[Kev0909]

it is bad the innocent people killed in israel, i'm not for that btw, of course i'm not

Let's face it if israel wanted to they could flatten Gaza in a night but they do pick targets carefully... and obviously because it's such a crammed place... will be civilian deaths.... but if they acted like Hamas we'd be talkings 10's of thousands daily

What hamas achived in the attack though is crazy, you would have thought israel would have all the tech etc, to stop it or know of it.... not bad for a bunch of terrorist loons

People in gaza still been treated like shit for years and the people in general though, i've seen abuse and people getting shot for no reason... by israel..... something's going to snap eventually..... it's like the worlds biggest open prison.. imagine if Scotland just started building/taking over on english land and we had no say in the matter, probably a poor example but yeah.

[ianlfc]

240 innocent kids killed at a music festival and more abducted. How anyone can defend that it's beyond me, but then again I've seen it all before.

[Martyboy]

Food for thought....:frown:

Quote from Albert Pike in an 1871 letter to Giuseppe Mazzini...

"The Third World War must be fomented(instigate or stir-up) by taking advantage of the differences caused by "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other."

Recently:

Mossad and MI6 sources confirm the attack on Israel by Hamas was orchestrated by Benyamin Netanyahu in order to create an excuse for the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people. This is meant as a satanic sacrifice to start a nuclear holocaust. The Israeli military and Israeli people need to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu and his Satanic gangster followers. They are the ancient enemies of the Jewish people...:sorrow:

[scientificred]

Food for thought....:frown:

Quote from Albert Pike in an 1871 letter to Giuseppe Mazzini...

"The Third World War must be fomented(instigate or stir-up) by taking advantage of the differences caused by "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other."

Recently:

Mossad and MI6 sources confirm the attack on Israel by Hamas was orchestrated by Benyamin Netanyahu in order to create an excuse for the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people. This is meant as a satanic sacrifice to start a nuclear holocaust. The Israeli military and Israeli people need to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu and his Satanic gangster followers. They are the ancient enemies of the Jewish people...:sorrow:
You are a decent drummer Marty.
Concentrate on that!

[Martyboy]

You are a decent drummer Marty.
Concentrate on that!

Go back to mainstream media you clown...Patronising prick!!...:mad::mad:

[Daffydd]

The last story about Ukraine on the BBC website was 3 days ago. They better up their game.

[Kev0909]

The last story about Ukraine on the BBC website was 3 days ago. They better up their game.

Boring now init, moved onto the next big thing.....

papers and shit must love it when things happen .

[scientificred]

Go back to mainstream media you clown...Patronising prick!!...:mad::mad:
Stick to your drumming!
Otherwise post your own thoughts and not quoting others. Makes yourself appear stupid!
I am not patronising and not a prick!

[Kev0909]

Is half the middle east about to get bombed?

Is the conflict going to spread??

Poor ukrainians.... forgotten about pff

[toshin]

Half the middle east is always on the verge of bombing each other

[Daffydd]

I just worry that they won't meet their net zero commitments. I mean, is it even worth me putting my recycling out now?

[redebreck]

Half the middle east is always on the verge of bombing each other

all in the name of religion

[Kev0909]

Half the middle east is always on the verge of bombing each other

Not like this in fairness seems to be worse than the last war.

[ianlfc]

The worst thing is innocent people will always be the victims of war. And absolute whoppers from 1000's of miles away taking sides.

[scientificred]

I was hoping that nations would come together to stop global warming and combat climate change.
It needs a huge financial commitment from the big players.
China, Russia, USA, India.
Now WAR seems more likely.
Perhaps on more and more fronts one by one.
A world war!
Big democracy votes this year.
Frightened? Yes!
I remember posting previously that a democracy needs a strong army.
I think that quote came from Athenian times.
If world war fear grows then I also fear that self preservation grows and so things like UK oil reserves offshore will gain momentum
I am deeply worried.

[redebreck]

If world war fear grows then I also fear that self preservation grows and so things like UK oil reserves offshore will gain momentum
I am deeply worried.

You can thank the Conservative party, led by Thatcher, for selling off our North Sea oil and gas, to their rich mates.
While you're at it, thank the same scum for selling off our energy - gas and electric - to their same mates in the 1980s.
Gas and electric was part of the uk's national industries until those vermin decided to make money out of it.
Think about it when your next energy bill turns up.

[CCTV]

I was hoping that nations would come together to stop global warming and combat climate change.
It needs a huge financial commitment from the big players.
China, Russia, USA, India.
Now WAR seems more likely.
Perhaps on more and more fronts one by one.
A world war!
Big democracy votes this year.
Frightened? Yes!
I remember posting previously that a democracy needs a strong army.
I think that quote came from Athenian times.
If world war fear grows then I also fear that self preservation grows and so things like UK oil reserves offshore will gain momentum
I am deeply worried.

Hoping for things you know little about.

[Nineteenx]

Not sure how closely anyone else has followed the Israel genocide & attempted annihilation not only of the people but of all evidence of them ever having existed, but there is a lot even those following it closely seem to have missed

AIPAC do actually have complete control of US foreign & domestic policy & a huge influence in ours Germany’s the EU’s & others

Some public spirited person did a compilation of addresses to US Congres by Netanyahu which is incredibly damning

He requested or rather ordered wars or pre-emptive strikes against Iraq Iran Syria Lybia Russia & others, Iran is the only one that hasn’t happened yet & that certainly isn’t through a lack of trying to draw them into conflict

It includes footage of his address when Obama was sitting President & present when declaring he/Israel are better in charge of US foreign policy than Obama, cheered on vociferously by almost the entire AIPAC funded Congress but for a few rare examples

They have been introducing laws against the US constitution in over half the states forbidding US citizens from boycotting & in any state roles even of criticisng Israel :eek:

When Generation Z as thry call them all rapidly twigged that Zionism is a fascist racist colonial settler political movement founded on a fantasy even Elron Hubbard would be proud of that was aggressively antisemitic towards Orthodox Jews who did not accept Zionism share or support any of its believes or actions & that conflating Zionism & Judaism to falsely label anyone criticising the Israel Gov as antisemitic was an absolute nonsense they rapidly introduced a new law that criticising Zionism or Israel was antisemitic :eek: which of course it isn’t Zionists have conducted more antisemitism than anyone else

The UN has much to answer for as it was apparent to me the issue for decades has been the UN continuing to let the US veto all just sanctions & resolutions against Israel for FORTY SIX years

There are specific articles 27(3) & 52(3) to prevent this that are a little ambiguous & need tidying up or a new resolution/article bringing against the US & UK citing them & the purpose of their inception clearly outlining actions that make another nation ‘a party to the dispute’ to me it seem overwhelmingly apparent that where Israel is concerned the US & UK are ALWAYS a party to the polite & both should have had their vetos permanently abstained on all Israel related security council issues until they are again in compliance with international law

[Martyboy]

Not sure how closely anyone else has followed the Israel genocide & attempted annihilation not only of the people but of all evidence of them ever having existed, but there is a lot even those following it closely seem to have missed

AIPAC do actually have complete control of US foreign & domestic policy & a huge influence in ours Germany’s the EU’s & others

Some public spirited person did a compilation of addresses to US Congres by Netanyahu which is incredibly damning

He requested or rather ordered wars or pre-emptive strikes against Iraq Iran Syria Lybia Russia & others, Iran is the only one that hasn’t happened yet & that certainly isn’t through a lack of trying to draw them into conflict

It includes footage of his address when Obama was sitting President & present when declaring he/Israel are better in charge of US foreign policy than Obama, cheered on vociferously by almost the entire AIPAC funded Congress but for a few rare examples

They have been introducing laws against the US constitution in over half the states forbidding US citizens from boycotting & in any state roles even of criticisng Israel :eek:

When Generation Z as thry call them all rapidly twigged that Zionism is a fascist racist colonial settler political movement founded on a fantasy even Elron Hubbard would be proud of that was aggressively antisemitic towards Orthodox Jews who did not accept Zionism share or support any of its believes or actions & that conflating Zionism & Judaism to falsely label anyone criticising the Israel Gov as antisemitic was an absolute nonsense they rapidly introduced a new law that criticising Zionism or Israel was antisemitic :eek: which of course it isn’t Zionists have conducted more antisemitism than anyone else

The UN has much to answer for as it was apparent to me the issue for decades has been the UN continuing to let the US veto all just sanctions & resolutions against Israel for FORTY SIX years

There are specific articles 27(3) & 52(3) to prevent this that are a little ambiguous & need tidying up or a new resolution/article bringing against the US & UK citing them & the purpose of their inception clearly outlining actions that make another nation ‘a party to the dispute’ to me it seem overwhelmingly apparent that where Israel is concerned the US & UK are ALWAYS a party to the polite & both should have had their vetos permanently abstained on all Israel related security council issues until they are again in compliance with international law

Good post....Nice to see someone clued up.....Netanyahu's a bad bastard...The head of the snake,aka The Khazarian Mafia...:disturbed:

[scientificred]

Hoping for things you know little about.
Hope is a wonderful thing.
Your apparent knowledge is not.

[scientificred]

Good post....Nice to see someone clued up.....Netanyahu's a bad bastard...The head of the snake,aka The Khazarian Mafia...:disturbed:
What would you like to happen Martyboy?

[Martyboy]

What would you like to happen Martyboy?

Win a few million on the lottery and a buxom woman to come and see me for a weekly sex sesh would be ideal...:)

[CCTV]

Hope is a wonderful thing.
Your apparent knowledge is not.

Are you enjoying the Biden presidency?

[scientificred]

Are you enjoying the Biden presidency?
When it becomes clear that you have taken your head out of your bumhole then I might consider engaging with you. Here's hoping!

[CCTV]

When it becomes clear that you have taken your head out of your bumhole then I might consider engaging with you. Here's hoping!

I'll just assume you're very happy with the Biden presidency so

[Martyboy]

I'll just assume you're very happy with the Biden presidency so

The one you see now isn't the same fella as the REAL one you see a few years ago,either that or he's had some serious surgery!!....:D


https://michaelsuede.substack.com/p/will-the-real-joe-biden-please-stand

[scientificred]

I'll just assume you're very happy with the Biden presidency so
Always dangerous to assume.
Especially so when one's head is up one's bumhole!

[Kev0909]

Irann sends dronessss to israel.

Like any of them will hit air defense with us & uk help is crazy drones wont get near.