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    If manu dont get top4 or win the EL this year, ie no CL football next year.
    I think we could have the biggest revenue in the pl by the end of next season. Season ending 2021.

    Deloitte think by the end of this season, season ending 2020, us city or both of us might overtake manu on revenue.
    It's expected to be close for this season and dependent on how us/city fare in the CL ko stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    If manu dont get top4 or win the EL this year, ie no CL football next year.
    I think we could have the biggest revenue in the pl by the end of next season. Season ending 2021.

    Deloitte think by the end of this season, season ending 2020, us city or both of us might overtake manu on revenue.
    It's expected to be close for this season and dependent on how us/city fare in the CL ko stages.
    No fucking way! Seriously?!

    That's amazing news! Any projections on the sestainability of such a potential monumental flip??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    No fucking way! Seriously?!

    That's amazing news! Any projections on the sestainability of such a potential monumental flip??
    Also adidas and Chevrolet have both put penalties in their contacts that if Utd fail to get champions league for 2 seasons they have to payback some of the fee they were given.
    At the end of the day the big money is getting to champions league and by the looks of it the pot money will only get bigger.

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    As Ferdinand, I think, said, kids aren't going to be buying Man United shirts at the moment. They pioneered the global shirt sales model in the early nineties too.

    Nobody is dreaming of being Fred at the moment..
    Sir what is going on.. things is not going according to plan. u promiss early signing. noting happen. Man u 3 player now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    As Ferdinand, I think, said, kids aren't going to be buying Man United shirts at the moment. They pioneered the global shirt sales model in the early nineties too.

    Nobody is dreaming of being Fred at the moment..
    A huge thing for so many of the kids now is FIFA, so they're all going to want Allisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, Mane, Salah shirts, that misses out some of our vital players, but they're not fashionable or cool for the FIFA kids, even though they are incredible players
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nineteenx View Post
    A huge thing for so many of the kids now is FIFA, so they're all going to want Allisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, Mane, Salah shirts, that misses out some of our vital players, but they're not fashionable or cool for the FIFA kids, even though they are incredible players
    Its amazing how quickly things change..

    I love it these days when a taxi driver - in London - tells me they're a Man U fan and they have that embarrassed, long-suffering countenance, as if they know things are shit and will be for a long time. They had jumped on the bandwagon when things were going great and forgot that life has a way of turning around and biting you.

    LFC has kept competitive, almost having a team, for 30 years. The fans have stuck with the team through all kind of false dawns, empty promises and latterly, terrible appointments. The fans are different in Liverpool. I'm not sure their lot could cope with an extended period of malaise.
    Sir what is going on.. things is not going according to plan. u promiss early signing. noting happen. Man u 3 player now

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    Most of them won't. Some will. If LFC enjoys a prolonged period of success, there'll be plenty of fair weather fans on the bandwagon soon enough.

    And when LFC's success dries up, fans of rival teams will be saying the exact same things we are right now.
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    Some good points made. I read the latest Deloitte list last week, I still think overall Utd are some way ahead in overall revenue but Ians point about Chevrolet and Adidas wanting money back for top 4 failure is very interesting. All these things are damaging them and theyre so far behind they really could start taking major hits financially. It jist shows also how savvy the business' and sponsors are. They dont want to be tarred with failing clubs such is the fickle nature of reputation.
    Theyve been complacent. Just like LFC were in the early 90s, we just thought it would come back. One year leads to 2, 2 years leads to 3 and before you know it its 5.
    Same with Arsenal. Who'd have thought after their invincibles they would go 16 years without the title? Not many. Its such an easy trap to fall into and we will no doubt be in it again at some point in the distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    No fucking way! Seriously?!

    That's amazing news! Any projections on the sestainability of such a potential monumental flip??
    Champions league money had a decent increase in recent years. Our revenue jumped £77.9mill last year, the accounts haven't been published yet but likely CL money played it's part.
    Making top4 consistently is key and we look secure enough for the immediate future.

    How far you go in the CL is obviously important. Think we'd want to be in the quarters minimum each year which isnt a huge ask. Semis or final ideally.

    This year city's new sponsorship £65iirc for all their associated clubs NYC etc is on their books. Whereas our Nike deal only comes in next year estimated £80-100mill.
    We need to use our partnership with Nike to build our global appeal which is bloody strong already.

    If manu fail to make the CL next year they'll suffer. But I wouldn't be as certain about the longer term future for them. Look at how quickly we have turned it around since Klopp arrived and they are still a strong club financially, far stronger than LFC when Klopp took over.
    No need for us to obsesses over other clubs, whomever is going to join is will join us. Just up to us to keep it lit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toneata View Post
    As long as they've got bucketloads of cash to spend, they'll always be a good manager away from getting back on track. Luckily for us it seems the hierarchy at the club haven't got a clue how to recruit one.

    Think they'd need to go into administration for them not to win the title for 30 years though................fingers crossed.
    Indeed.

    A few sides are in transitional phases right now (Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham) and those sides that look to be improved / in the early stages of improving (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United) haven't had enough time to really solidify themselves.

    We spent a LOT of time finishing outside the Top Four positions

    09/10 - 7th, 63 points, 4th got 70 points.
    10/11 - 6th, 58 points, 4th got 68 points.
    11/12 - 8th, 52 points, 4th got 69 points.
    12/13 - 7th, 61 points, 4th got 73 points.
    13/14 - ran City close, finished 2nd.
    14/15 - 6th, 62 points, 4th got 70 points.
    15/16 - 8th, 60 points, 4th got 66 points.
    16/17 - 4th, finishing 1 point above 5th-placed Arsenal - the good time begin.

    We finished Top Four once in seven seasons, before that 16/17 season that became a spring-board for better things.

    If you manage to capitalise upon it, you "only" need to finish 4th once to begin a bounce-back. United will have more money than most clubs for some time yet, so we're reliant upon two teams (outside of ourselves and City, who you'd imagine will finish Top Four for the next 2-4 seasons at least) to become fairly consistent, fairly quickly.

    How much do we really rate Rodgers' Leicester, Lampard's Chelsea, Mourinho's Tottenham or Arteta's Arsenal to be better than, for talk's sake, Pochettino's United over a 2-4 season spell?

    They're very fixable with the right Manager - though they haven't found the correct one yet - and thank Fowler for that!
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