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Thread: Coronavirus and the impact on football

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    A cynic might suggest that people at the end of their life expectancy are perfect fodder to road test a vaccine. If they die of side effects nobody will question it.

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    Here is a list of assumptions (off the top of my head) that we are asked to take on board by the government, scientific advisory groups such as SAGE, international mass media, international bodies such as the WHO and influential funding figures such as Bill Gates. I find most people, even skeptics, find it hard to believe most of these facts are not true. I can only assume CD, who is highly critical of my attempt to undermine these assumptions without laying out his own beliefs, must be doing so from this consensus position. We do know however that this does not actually reflect a scientific consensus, as the Great Barrington Declaration points out.

    1) This virus is especially dangerous and deadly compared to influenza
    2) It threatens to overwhelm the NHS in a way that previous flu viruses have not
    3) Catching it is not only a threat to our own life but a threat to others. A positive PCR test makes you a danger to others
    4) contact with anyone is to be avoided as it may threaten their life. (or does it really? when we say gatherings of six people or from three households allowed, do we have conviction in the difference it will make?)
    5) closure of the schools, for example, is no longer a matter of slowing the spread of the virus - it is a matter of safety for children
    6) lockdowns protect people from catching the disease
    7) lockdowns help to 'control the spread of the virus'
    8) tiered, partial lockdowns slow the spread partially, allowing the NHS to cope
    9) mask wearing stops people from catching the disease
    10) it is the responsibility of the government to devise policy that saves us from catching the disease
    11) PCR tests help us to track the disease and contain it
    12) track and trace can control the spread
    13) our hope lies with these vaccines, which will be safe and successful
    14) Death rates after the initial spike are a reflection of failing to distance correctly. They are not seasonal and do not reflect health factors other than exposure to the virus, such as demographics, heart disease in the populus, care home culture or background immunity to coronaviruses.

    and by extension

    15) it is immoral to ignore these restrictions on normal life even if you feel safe personally
    16) the health benefits of being outdoors and living life freely are not important enough to influence policy
    17) the same goes for the health benefits of socialising
    18) the same goes for the importance of having a strong economy
    19) the same goes for the importance of maintaining routine health services such as cancer screening etc

    I have now provided a lot of evidence that shows all of assumptions 1 to 14 are probably, if not certainly untrue. We have scientific and empirical evidence that they have been incorrect to assume. But these are the pillars of government action and public opinion. The startling fact to me is that no one is interested in finding out that these assumptions may be wrong and so we have no ability to adjust to the emerging science. I think the journalism class in particular has failed in its duty to ask the right questions. The modelling that has guided decision making has been wrong from the beginning and is still wildly inaccurate, favouring excessive alarm scenarios.

    The exception is number 10) which is a philosophical assumption we don't even notice ourselves making.

    15 - 19 are assumptions which may take years to understand if anyone has the guts to face what they have done to the country. They reflect the immense complexity in public health and, in my opinion, the extreme stupidity of this single issue focus to policy.

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    And there we go, infection rate of just 47 per 100,000 in the town but put down into Tier 3.
    Fuck it all to bollox

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    Shut the pubs quick

    Quick 10pm get outta my pub

    Spreading spreading spreading it's all the pubs fault

    Oh wait

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    Ridiculous. The pubs now have to close in Southport, we can no longer protect ourselves from the virus with Gammon and pineapple. Ffs I thought it was protecting us really well too ...

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    Eat out to help out , worked a treat and not a word said or head rolled for it.

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    Lucky you - here even most shops are closed!
    Etiam si omnes, ego non

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    Lucky you - here even most shops are closed!
    They are here too

    my post was sarcastic

    Due to months and months ago pubs got the blame for it, when really it was very small % of spread in pubs

    Yet they made them close at 10pm, the off-liscence shops (Where you can buy booze late etc) was rammed, people on the streets/traveling all together

    pubs ain't been open like normal for ages if you was in tier 2 you had to buy a burger/meal to have a drink in the pub and noone really has been in tier 1 for yonks

    they're running out of things to blame now

    One thing is for sure, the gov here have completely lost control of this shit

    Imagine thinking the general public in this country will follow the tier rules, alot of people have lost track, a lot of people don't even know the fucking rules because it changes often and people here aren't smart i'm afraid

    Should be in a full lockdown only way to go, but once again to late for everything

    another 50k cases today nearly 1k dead good luck to the police tomorrow that's all I can say.
    Last edited by Kev0909; 30th December 2020 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev0909 View Post
    Should be in a full lockdown only way to go, but once again to late for everything
    Full lockdowns don’t make any difference, Kev!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    Full lockdowns don’t make any difference, Kev!
    The figures go down

    you can't deny that

    and if they are rolling out the vaccine while doing it, alls good

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