Coronavirus and the impact on football

[Taksin]

What I don't get, I can't technically go to the next city/town, and have to stay here....

BUT

there's plenty of flights still coming in... from america too

They are justified as essential business trips and that is calculated based on certain criteria.

You are making the mistake of believing the rational behind restrictions is held with conviction by those imposing them on us.

That fact that people want to gossip away about how terrible a Man City player is behaving by socialising with friends or family makes the whole narrative much easier to maintain.

[Kev0909]

Where has anyone said it isn’t a problem, Kev?

You do realise that hospitals are filling to overflowing with dying people every winter don’t you?

Someone pointed out that 20 million Americans died during Obama’s time in office.

I may as well ask you if you realise it’s normal for people to die if you are using that logic. We have to be specific about what the problems are if we are to justify destroying the economy and normal life, don’t we?

How many staff have had to go off? it's not as simple as you make out

And yes the usual winter pressures + Corona is why this has happened

Ambulances queuing.... beds aren't normally this bad...

What's the solution? send all the kids / teenagers back to spread it more? let it get more out of control until we reach 100% capacity with all the beds??

When it's normal to die waiting to get a ITU bed??

You've seen how much it's increased down to this new "strain" do you want it to reach 100k a day?

Maybe the frontline staff can work 18 hours a day for you?

I quote

"Since Christmas Day, the number of Covid-19 patients in hospital has risen by 50% alone - enough to fill 18 hospitals"

If people wasn't scared to go hospitals because of coronavirus, I bet you, they'd be at 100%

There's more people in hospital now with coronavirus than the first wave, PLUS WINTER PRESSURES what else can be done?

[Taksin]

Again, Kev, the science shows that lockdown doesn’t affect any of this. You are getting exasperated based upon the assumption that it is helping and all we need to do is observe it.

So, if that’s true, all your other questions to me are irrelevant.

Even if it wasn’t true there are very good grounds to question the policy, but we would need to keep the argument disciplined to make sense of that.

[Kev0909]

Again, Kev, the science shows that lockdown doesn’t affect any of this. You are getting exasperated based upon the assumption that it is helping and all we need to do is observe it.

So, if that’s true, all your other questions to me are irrelevant.

Even if it wasn’t true there are very good grounds to question the policy, but we would need to keep the argument disciplined to make sense of that.

We'll see dropped around 30% in the last lockdown

The UK on Tuesday reported 11,299 new COVID-19 cases, a figure signaling a weekly drop of over one-quarter.

The 27.6% decrease in cases came as a second national lockdown in England is in its third week and similar restrictive measures are in place in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. -

reported all across the place, how does lockdown not help if people aren't out and around others as much?

Would be even better if the people in this country has some fucking common sense funny how it got out of control after it was lifted again though- but I don't expect it until march this time hopefully some millions have the vaccine at least it'll probably go up again of course but at least there's that, and we'll be closer to spring and out of winter

And obviously less people around it = Less people in hospital = Less stress over winter

it's the only way forward sadly, there's nothing else that can be done apart from it even being a harsher lockdown, would you carry on how it was?? I don't see what's so complicated tbh but this could go on forever so I shall leave the subject be.

[Taksin]

You are talking about cases, which are positive PCR tests. They are running somewhere near 70% false positives, we know that.
There are all kinds of reasons why these results go up and down, based on how many people are taking the tests and other things like seasonality. I linked to Professor Bhakdi above who says using the tests this way is criminal.
Due to the propaganda, mortality is the only reliable measure of what’s happening, and mortality across Europe is more or less normal and low in some places such as Wales and Ireland.

You keep returning to your idea of common sense but I’ve showed you the science on lockdown. It doesn’t conform with your idea of what common sense is.

Given that fact, is it possible that your common sense is in fact a story that has its origins somewhere other than in the science?

[Taksin]

https://youtu.be/p_vAQyVlXzU

If you want to understand what is actually happening. Watch this video (with data up to yesterday), which explains things fairly simply. I can’t imbed it as I’m on my phone.

[Kev0909]

You mean the proper actual science?

From the top scientist's/Others advising Boris?

Are they all thick?? Clueless? Have no idea?

Please tell me what other option(s) we have it's widely reported the hospitals are at breaking point which is ALSO how tiers was based had a part in it, I was only in TIER 4 due to the hospital- the cases itself wasn't that bad compared to the rest of the country. (covers a wide area)

70%? Where's your proof? 70% of the cases is a lie then? there's no way to tell at the moment, stop spreading fake news.

a small amount of SARS tests was fake positive, I'd imagine rona to be around the same (only thing you can compare it to at the moment is the past)

"This rate of false positives PCR test results has been estimated at between 0.8% and 4.3%. " is the official word

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-is-the-science-that-prompted-boris-johnson-to-call-third-england-lockdown-12179535

Fact is if boris actually listened to em earlier we'd be in a better place

[Kev0909]

BREAKING: The Premier League has confirmed a season-high 40 positive coronavirus cases were recorded in the latest week of testing.

Thank fuck it's fake positives because it's clearly not effected some players who've had it at all considering they have more than 1 too, yet turns out the same result 90% of the time at least?

When these are top athletes too

You also do realise these cases won't be in hospitals until next week most likely?

The worst of the cases of course

if this happened earlier, would of been less going into hospital, expect the deaths to go up and the hospitals to get worse before they get better, even if we're in lockdown... changes nothing for a few weeks

[Taksin]

70%? Where's your proof? 70% of the cases is a lie then? there's no way to tell at the moment, stop spreading fake news.

“Experts from Oxford University's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine say the widely-used PCR test will result in false positives”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-tests-may-be-picking-up-traces-of-dead-virus-12064151

I’m pretty sure I linked to this a few months ago, Kev. They originally said ‘up to 90% false positives’, but most are saying ‘around 70%’ now. You may notice that the vast majority of positive ‘cases’ (such as the footballers) are not ill and therefore technically don’t have Covid-19.

Professor Carl Heneghan from the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-based Medicine who published that report, is a signatory of the Great Barrington declaration and therefore disagrees with the advice given to the government.

To answer your question about the scientists, the Imperial College advice is based on models. And the models have been proven wrong and inadequate. Why they are still being listened to I don’t understand. I think they are taking bad advice.

[CCTV]

Taksin do you have an opinion on the new strain being more transmissible?

Is it likely a result of lockdown forcing this evolutionary adaptation ?

Is it likely this increase in transmissibility will lead to a decrease in lethality ?

I've seen it suggested that it's evolution isn't surprising with lockdowns and that typically increased transmission rates tend to link with decreases in lethality.