Coronavirus and the impact on football

[RedNoodle]

How are they self-serving ?
I'd say everyone is self-serving myself so what are you talking about ?

Tbh I think people have such a high expectation of care and generally forget to enjoy the life they have before their time is up.

Because they are regularly considerably more interested in their careers/pay/perks than they are in caring for those that they are supposed to help. I myself have actually been 'used' by a number of departments within the NHS, as has another family member, with those involved more concerned with furthering their own interests, rather than the wellbeing of their patients. This includes a number of very prominent people within the NHS, including one very famous individual.

Whenever I've done a job that involves others, I have always tried to do my best for those people. In the NHS that should the 'prime directive' of all staff members. It however is way down on the list of their priorities, which is why many people have issues whilst using the NHS. If they were paid peanuts I could understand a little (but not much) more, but like I said earlier, they are NOT paid peanuts, never mind that they signed up for the job, nobody forced them to join that profession.

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I got my first shot last week, not because of the Job, but because of my health issues (heart). I’m normally in the control centre nowadays due to my health and age, but I’m “back in the trenches” at the moment in a support role. It’s a 3 man crew and they call me granddad! They’re normally youngsters (mid twenties), they love their job and - as I said earlier - they care so much for the people in their care and their communities.

I feel for you noods, genuinely I do. It sounds like you’ve had a shitty experience and that’s not right. I wish there was something I could do to help. It’s a far from perfect organisation, everyone knows that, but most NHS staff try so bloody hard every shift, and it can be frustrating for them as well. I hope you get some proper care soon.

Well that's good news, another shot in 3 weeks and that's you covered for a bit.

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Because they are regularly considerably more interested in their careers/pay/perks than they are in caring for those that they are supposed to help. I myself have actually been 'used' by a number of departments within the NHS, as has another family member, with those involved more concerned with furthering their own interests, rather than the wellbeing of their patients. This includes a number of very prominent people within the NHS, including one very famous individual.

Whenever I've done a job that involves others, I have always tried to do my best for those people. In the NHS that should the 'prime directive' of all staff members. It however is way down on the list of their priorities, which is why many people have issues whilst using the NHS. If they were paid peanuts I could understand a little (but not much) more, but like I said earlier, they are NOT paid peanuts, never mind that they signed up for the job, nobody forced them to join that profession.

No, no-one did though a few in that sector are compelled to care from abusive childhoods.
I wouldn't say that doctors are paid all that much over there in the grand scheme of things. Imagine nurses are on about the same as an electrician per hour. Over here they're about the same.

Part of medical care is looking after yourself.
They're only people with flaws after all.
Outside of getting a bad tooth pulled, stopped from bleeding to death or getting a bone set and pain killers. I think every other service is a minor miracle.

You do seem to be unfortunate in having so many ailments and some super rare conditions. At least you survived the nhs long enough to see us win the league and no6.

Out of interest how were their self interests served by not helping you ? Reads oddly

[fagin]

Exactly my point. One interaction regarding one member of your family (albeit an important one) has convinced you that the NHS is great. That is what generally happens in regards to the NHS and much of the wider world i.e. at best sticking your head in the sand, and at worst having a sort of "**** you jack, I'm alright" attitude to, or view of certain things.

Many people are not so lucky as to have just one condition and/or a member of their family that is easily treated, irrespective of whether it is something that saves a life, or stops someone living a life of pain or extreme difficulty.

Yes the NHS in 'theory' is a great idea. I think that every person on the planet should be getting universal/free healthcare. However it is nowhere near to being a perfect system, and anyone who thinks that it is has either had little interaction with it, has been very lucky in getting their or their family members conditions well treated, have vested interests/work for the NHS, or are terribly naive.

It's not just my experiences, but those of many other people, including other family members up to and including the death/killing of such people. You only have to read the news to know how many sickening things go on with the NHS. Do some basic searching and you will find thousands of examples of people that have been through similar things. Just because you have been lucky to have not been through such experiences does not mean that thousands upon thousands of others haven't. I'd be willing to bet my life that most of those who have to deal with the NHS on a regular basis and/or have multiple serious/complicated/expensive problems have had numerous issues with it and/or those that work within it.

Recently I had to endure one of many, many f-ups by the NHS where I am concerned, and in this particular case there was a huge dose of irony. What made it ironic (on top of having a number of my conditions triggered/made worse and I was also cost both time and money) was that at the same time somebody else was a victim of the same f-up. Do you know what was ironic? The fact that this somebody else was themselves a consultant. He certainly was not pleased.

I've had people who work in the NHS tell me that it has serious issues. What more do people need above and beyond words "from the horses mouth" to convince them that it has serious failings?

As for carers, they do not sign up for a job where there is a distinct possibility of those events I mentioned occuring, just as neither do the likes of those working in retail, public transport etc. How about people clap for them, never mind some of them getting more money than they currently do? Nope it's much easier to believe the narrative that the NHS is almost beyond reproach and staffed by selfless angels.

I know differently. Just as many thousands of others do who don't happened to have had the great experiences that you have.

I think i am correct in saying that most people in the UK love the NHS for all its faults its FREE.Over here i pay about $170 per month for health and dental but the coverage is only between 60-80 % with not so high overall limits.The rest has to be paid at the time of procedure.It does not cover any prescriptions.
Also various procedures are not covered unless you provide a credit card with a high limit prior to said procedure being performed.
I think Noods your beef with them is because you have so many issues and possibly the NHS is not well enough equipped for whatever those 23 issues are.I am certain that many of your issues could be resolved but you would have to fly to the US with a hefty wallet and obviously i understand also that is a dream for you.
I am not knocking you mate your medical issues are not your fault but condemning a FREE medical organization which is a Godsend to so many in the UK will not help your issues.....unfortunately.

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Nurses salary is average 25.5k. 12 hour shifts more often than not 13 or 14 hours that they don't get paid overtime for.
Their salary has been reduced by 7.4 percent over the ten years of this awful government. That is not right at all.

[Kev0909]

First time I've seen someone say nurses etc don't get underpaid lol

All the shit they have to deal with and people, also its not a job you can walk into years of training.

Yet a warehouse job can earn similar money

[skyebo]

Nurses salary is average 25.5k. 12 hour shifts more often than not 13 or 14 hours that they don't get paid overtime for.
Their salary has been reduced by 7.4 percent over the ten years of this awful government. That is not right at all.

That's why a lot of them are leaving. Overworked and Underpaid, you can't blame them.

[RedNoodle]

No, no-one did though a few in that sector are compelled to care from abusive childhoods.
I wouldn't say that doctors are paid all that much over there in the grand scheme of things. Imagine nurses are on about the same as an electrician per hour. Over here they're about the same.

Part of medical care is looking after yourself.
They're only people with flaws after all.
Outside of getting a bad tooth pulled, stopped from bleeding to death or getting a bone set and pain killers. I think every other service is a minor miracle.

You do seem to be unfortunate in having so many ailments and some super rare conditions. At least you survived the nhs long enough to see us win the league and no6.

Out of interest how were their self interests served by not helping you ? Reads oddly

Part of medical care is looking after yourself? Above and beyond not smoking, drinking, taking drugs or eating unhealthily (none of which I or my immediate family do), I'm not sure exactly what you mean. What about those like me and certain other family members who cannot 'look after themselves'? Should we just be left to rot and die (as we largely have) because those that are supposed to care for us are 'flawed'? I'm as flawed as anyone, but I care for/help others whenever I can, and have one example of that I will use as an example of both that/what kind of person I am and what goes on in the NHS till the day that I die.

Doctors are paid ludicrous amounts. I could go into a massive rant about them (especially my local surgery - somewhere I've not replied to for more than two months after being sent a text regarding some treatment that ran out in Dec, due to the issues I've had/will have with them) but I won't.

They are not miracle workers. They spend a few years at medical school reading/memorising out of date text books, and similarly outdated practices/techniques and think they know it all, something I've had serious issues with inc telling doctors and so called 'leading specialists' what I think/know is going on, only to be told I'm wrong, but then proved right, sometimes much later on and after a lot of unnecessary pain/suffering/issues up to and including potentially as serious as things get.

In regards to others 'self interests', let me put it this way. You fix computers, and a friend you've not seen or heard from for years says they've got a problem with their computer and that if you come over to fix it they'll pay you. You agree, and after spending a few hours fixing their computer, not only do they only pay you a fiver, they then ask you to leave as they've got something to do, and on top of that you never hear from them again.

They've done very nicely out of you, whilst you have not only not been fairly reimbursed for your time, you were also treated shabbily afterwards/dispensed with, and as a result not only are you out of pocket but you're left feeling used and angry.

I could go into more details about the exact kind of thing I'm referring to, but I'd rather not.

[ianlfc]

I don't want to sound harsh but they knew the wages when they were training . Unfortunately for them they are having to deal with a world pandemic though on the plus side A&E especially at weekends will be very quite compared to a normal one.

[RedNoodle]

The average nurses salary is around £33k p/a.