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    Ronaldo is a phenomenon though.

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    Like this moment, they r so bad but still manage to get some things to safe Ole. As long as Ole in charge I'm not worried

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetan991 View Post
    Like this moment, they r so bad but still manage to get some things to safe Ole. As long as Ole in charge I'm not worried
    Make the most of it, they won't keep him forever, especially if they play like they did tonight. Villareal deserved at least a point. Ronaldo was anonymous for most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetan991 View Post
    Like this moment, they r so bad but still manage to get some things to safe Ole. As long as Ole in charge I'm not worried
    Still convinced that Ronaldo was a "perfect" signing - but moreso for their rivals than for them, counter-intuitive as it sounds.

    He's so damned good that he will notch up plenty of goals. The problem is it takes development time/playing time in general from other forwards and that these goals mask deficiencies elsewhere.

    He's as close to a guarantee as you can get (in terms of the goals column and scoring winners) to secure the 66-78 points they'll need to finish in the Top Four. His presence will help them ride on a crest of optimism until February or so.

    But is the capture of Ronaldo what takes them to that NEXT level of 79-92 points? I don't see it. A harder-working forward, genuine defensive midfielder and some quality coaching would have been the better route for their long-term improvement, but they were unable to resist the short-term, fan appeasement crap. He may be a higher standard of player, but it's the Falcao/Di Maria/Sanchez/Ibrahimovic/Cavani situation all over again. Even the time it came off (Van Persie) was a short-term solution.

    Systems of play, patterns, data analytics and being better than the sum of your parts just aren't how they do things and in a World where sides are increasingly out-thought, their refusal to evolve is an endless source of amusement.

    Their constant recruiting of individual talents, willingness to spend big on wages, their big stadium, years of commercial deals and having plenty of players out there who grew up supporting mean they aren't going to "go away" any time soon and the right Manager could squeeze a League or Champion's League out of them if a few things fell their way but they need a massive rethink if they ever want to build a Dynasty again.

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    Ronaldo will get them goals in games they scarcely deserve to be in. If that keeps them in the hunt they will be dangerous

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    No way Ole way can get something from the big match, they still will win some small game to secure Ole position but with their Key player age, Ronaldo at 36 Cavani at 34, there is no way they can play a 90 mins pressing game, which is a trend now to win a big game.

    Building up your team with those 500-600k wages/week players are not healthy at all, the whole wages structure, dressing room, youth set up will be destroyed.

    Ole in the press conference said Lingard is the player for the future. 28 years old for the future? what the hell is that? but imaging u have 34 and 36 years old as a first team, u could understand his meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Still convinced that Ronaldo was a "perfect" signing - but moreso for their rivals than for them, counter-intuitive as it sounds.

    He's so damned good that he will notch up plenty of goals. The problem is it takes development time/playing time in general from other forwards and that these goals mask deficiencies elsewhere.

    He's as close to a guarantee as you can get (in terms of the goals column and scoring winners) to secure the 66-78 points they'll need to finish in the Top Four. His presence will help them ride on a crest of optimism until February or so.

    But is the capture of Ronaldo what takes them to that NEXT level of 79-92 points? I don't see it. A harder-working forward, genuine defensive midfielder and some quality coaching would have been the better route for their long-term improvement, but they were unable to resist the short-term, fan appeasement crap. He may be a higher standard of player, but it's the Falcao/Di Maria/Sanchez/Ibrahimovic/Cavani situation all over again. Even the time it came off (Van Persie) was a short-term solution.

    Systems of play, patterns, data analytics and being better than the sum of your parts just aren't how they do things and in a World where sides are increasingly out-thought, their refusal to evolve is an endless source of amusement.

    Their constant recruiting of individual talents, willingness to spend big on wages, their big stadium, years of commercial deals and having plenty of players out there who grew up supporting mean they aren't going to "go away" any time soon and the right Manager could squeeze a League or Champion's League out of them if a few things fell their way but they need a massive rethink if they ever want to build a Dynasty again.
    Ha barley moved last night. The quality for the goal was brilliant though. Perfect knock down and move for the return. You knew when it got to him even at that angle it was hitting the back of the net

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    Goal scorer. Absolute goal machine. If you want to be serial winners - you need one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggy81 View Post
    Ha barley moved last night. The quality for the goal was brilliant though. Perfect knock down and move for the return. You knew when it got to him even at that angle it was hitting the back of the net
    Oh he's insane in front of goal, no doubt - a killer.

    He'll rescue them often, hopefully keep Ole in a job, continue to invoke the nostalgiagasms to "the Glory Days" and grab headlines often enough to paper over the cracks. "The Dark Side of the force shrouds everything" and provided they don't win the Premium League or Champion's League I'm quite glad he's there. Their policy of going for the "name" over the system will delay their capacity to reach their fullest potential and that is good for everyone else as they continue to evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Oh he's insane in front of goal, no doubt - a killer.

    He'll rescue them often, hopefully keep Ole in a job, continue to invoke the nostalgiagasms to "the Glory Days" and grab headlines often enough to paper over the cracks. "The Dark Side of the force shrouds everything" and provided they don't win the Premium League or Champion's League I'm quite glad he's there. Their policy of going for the "name" over the system will delay their capacity to reach their fullest potential and that is good for everyone else as they continue to evolve.
    Yep. Itís hard to believe everyone can see it bad the people in charge at united. If you were trying to slow their progress you couldnít plan it better.

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