Click here for Liverpool FC personalised gift shop

Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 50

Thread: Diego

  1. #21
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Crime City
    Posts
    29,394
    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    Possibly - guess we'll never know. That was a very decent Argentina team in '86 from what I've read. Not amazing by any means (e.g. likely the 2006 team was better player for player from what I've read) but still decent.

    That 2006 team was no joke.
    That's why Maradona (as well as a few other players) are 'better' than Messi) i.e. they didn't/don't need to be surrounded by lots of other world class players, be pandered to by teams/managers, or be protected by refs and officials in order to consistently light up games, and even effectively win competitions on their own.

  2. #22
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    9,808
    One of - if not the best players I ever saw in a red shirt talking about his favourite player of all time.


  3. #23
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    City of Self Doubt
    Posts
    16,189
    Quote Originally Posted by RedNoodle View Post
    That's why Maradona (as well as a few other players) are 'better' than Messi) i.e. they didn't/don't need to be surrounded by lots of other world class players, be pandered to by teams/managers, or be protected by refs and officials in order to consistently light up games, and even effectively win competitions on their own.
    You don't need to be surrounded by world class players to win the WC necessarily. One or two will do. Look at Germany in 2014 - they weren't chalk full of people with a genuine case at being the best in the world in their position - I guess you just need 2-4 in key areas. Neuer, Lahm, Kroos, maybe Özil... at a rather large stretch one of the CBs.

    I think you need a solid core with some class sprinkled throughout.
    Etiamsi omnes, ego non

  4. #24
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Crime City
    Posts
    29,394
    Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
    You don't need to be surrounded by world class players to win the WC necessarily. One or two will do. Look at Germany in 2014 - they weren't chalk full of people with a genuine case at being the best in the world in their position - I guess you just need 2-4 in key areas. Neuer, Lahm, Kroos, maybe Özil... at a rather large stretch one of the CBs.

    I think you need a solid core with some class sprinkled throughout.
    Argentina have just that, despite some protestations from certain quarters. Given that on top of that Messi is supposedly the 'GOAT', they should have done much better than they have done, and they certainly should have won something.

  5. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    9,808
    2006

    Messi
    Tevez
    Mascherano
    Ayala
    Crespo
    Heinze
    Riquelme
    Saviola
    Melito

    All shite.. haha

    2010

    Messi
    Tevez
    Aguero
    Higuain
    Mascherano
    Milito
    Heinze
    Samuel
    Di Maria

    Total shite.. hehe

    2014


    Messi
    Aguero
    Higuain
    Lavezzi
    Di Maria
    Mascherano
    Zabaleta
    Demichelis
    Rojo

    Garbage


    2018

    Messi
    Aguero
    Higuain
    Dybala
    Di Maria
    Mascherano
    Zabaleta
    Banega
    Rojo

    Turds the lot


    Poor Messi - needs some better players - Like Ronaldinho - Xavi - Iniesta - Busquets - Neymar - Suarez - Alba..

  6. #26
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    City of Self Doubt
    Posts
    16,189
    @Noods

    Messi's been to four WCs iirc - 2006 but he was a baby then (though the likes of Pelč had already been the best player at a WC by that age but hey ho, he was mostly done with his great feats by the age of 26-7 iirc and Messi was still going strong post 30). In 2010 I think Argentina comfortably had one of the three-four best squads at the WC, but they had a clown of a manager and were by no means the favourites. Personally I had both Germany and Spain ahead of them. In 2014 they had a good squad, but not the best at the tournament and he and Masch took the to the final where they lost to Germany in a game where they had the better chances. In 2018 their squad was completely unbalanced - their defence was a joke.

    I see your point and agree with it to an extent, but I also feel for him - it's not his fault Maradona had Burruchaga to score against West Germany and he had Higuain to put it wide when through one on one vs Neuer with all the space in the known universe. That's why I hesitate to base my comparison of the two on such individual incidents. Imagine if Jorge misses that chance and idk... Rummenige puts in one more and Higuain or Palacio score one of their one-on-ones against Neuer. Then the script is completely flipped in the Messi v Maradona conversation. That's why I don't like basing such comparisons so heavily on such individual moments.

    Edit: spelling and some clarification
    Etiamsi omnes, ego non

  7. #27
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    City of Self Doubt
    Posts
    16,189
    Looking at the Argentina WC squad of '86 (and bear with me, this is waaaay before my time) Maradona had the likes of:

    Burruchaga, Pasarella, Pumpido and Valdano with him. I've at least heard their names and some pretty awe-inspiring things about the first two. Iirc Argentina were second favourites before the tournament (think I researched this when I wanted to have a structured Maradona vs Messi debate, but failed miserably ). So it's not as if he had ten planks of wood with him either.
    Etiamsi omnes, ego non

  8. #28
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    9,808
    Argentina were one of the favourites for the tournament. Can you hazard an unprejudiced guess as guess as to why ?

    Go on knock yourself out.

  9. #29
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    10,472
    I think Pasarella was a defender, and captain at that time. I used to like Kempes, but he was before then. Helped them win in 78.
    If you're not sure what to do with the ball, just put it in the net, and we'll talk about the other options later... Bob Paisley.

  10. #30
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    City of Self Doubt
    Posts
    16,189
    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Argentina were one of the favourites for the tournament. Can you hazard an unprejudiced guess as guess as to why ?

    Go on knock yourself out.
    I'm sure having the little junkie in their team didn't hurt. Don't in any way see how that demonstrates they had a poor squad though, provided that's your point.
    Etiamsi omnes, ego non

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •