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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGS View Post
    Rory Smith hinting we are after Konate in the summer.
    The summer of which year? 2525?

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    This is the Deloitte money league table for the 19/20 season. It was released a couple of days ago. The 18/19 amounts are in brackets.


    1 Barcelona - £627.1m (£741.1m)

    2 Real Madrid - £627m (£667.5m)

    3 Bayern Munich - £556.1m (£581.8m)

    4 Manchester United - £509m (£627.1m)

    5 Liverpool - £489.9m (£533m)

    6 Manchester City - £481.6m (£538.2m)

    7 PSG - £474.1m (£560.5m)

    8 Chelsea - £411.9m (£452.2m)

    9 Tottenham - £390.9m (£459.3m)

    10 Juventus - £349m (£405.2m)

    11 Arsenal - £340.3m (£392.7m)

    12 Borussia Dortmund - £320.7m (£332.4m)

    13 Atletico Madrid - £291m (£324m)

    14 Inter Milan - £255.6m (£321.3m)

    15 Zenit St Petersburg - £207.4m (£159)

    16 Schalke - £195.4m (£286.3m)

    17 Everton - £185.9m (£185.5m)

    18 Lyon £158.5m (£194.7m)

    19 Napoli £154.6m (£182.8m)

    20 Eintracht Frankfurt - £152.6m (£160.6m)


    Despite this, if you listened to some of our fans you'd think that we were paupers and that we don't even have a pot to pee into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedNoodle View Post
    This is the Deloitte money league table for the 19/20 season. It was released a couple of days ago. The 18/19 amounts are in brackets.


    1 Barcelona - £627.1m (£741.1m)

    2 Real Madrid - £627m (£667.5m)

    3 Bayern Munich - £556.1m (£581.8m)

    4 Manchester United - £509m (£627.1m)

    5 Liverpool - £489.9m (£533m)

    6 Manchester City - £481.6m (£538.2m)

    7 PSG - £474.1m (£560.5m)

    8 Chelsea - £411.9m (£452.2m)

    9 Tottenham - £390.9m (£459.3m)

    10 Juventus - £349m (£405.2m)

    11 Arsenal - £340.3m (£392.7m)

    12 Borussia Dortmund - £320.7m (£332.4m)

    13 Atletico Madrid - £291m (£324m)

    14 Inter Milan - £255.6m (£321.3m)

    15 Zenit St Petersburg - £207.4m (£159)

    16 Schalke - £195.4m (£286.3m)

    17 Everton - £185.9m (£185.5m)

    18 Lyon £158.5m (£194.7m)

    19 Napoli £154.6m (£182.8m)

    20 Eintracht Frankfurt - £152.6m (£160.6m)


    Despite this, if you listened to some of our fans you'd think that we were paupers and that we don't even have a pot to pee into.
    Are these figures gross or net? Are they profits or income? Is the spend deducted from this (wages etc, transfer fees (most clubs don't pay the full sum upfront).

    How many of those clubs have spent big at the beginning of the season and now again January?

    It is easy to look at numbers without the detail and nuances that in form it

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedNoodle View Post
    The summer of which year? 2525?
    lol, post of the year

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    Quote Originally Posted by HLOGI View Post
    Are these figures gross or net? Are they profits or income? Is the spend deducted from this (wages etc, transfer fees (most clubs don't pay the full sum upfront).

    How many of those clubs have spent big at the beginning of the season and now again January?

    It is easy to look at numbers without the detail and nuances that in form it
    Swiss Red's long Twitter thread on the issue is the most up-to-date bit of detailed info we will have on the subject, then there will be the release of the accounts by the Club (that, due to the nature of how that's done, are always somewhat behind) to supplement it.

    Swiss predicted if we had no fans for all of 20/21 we would lose £135m, which is no small chunk of change - and we don't know where we will be (full stadiums) for 21/22 - another full season of no fans / limited fans is a very scary prospect for most clubs and we may be thankful yet for being financially conservative, though we simply don't know yet.

    Also worth bearing in mind that some sponsor deals from big companies will be giving us less due to stipulations about fans/advertising. I would be very surprised for example if the likes of the Nike deal are panning out as per the original terms, but again, we simply don't have access to that info.

    Wage growth also exceeded revenue growth I believe, player amortisation and contractual bonuses to factor in, there's a lot of meat to it.

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    Is he factoring in net losses or just loss of direct income from BCD? Not sure how he could work out the offset in not having to police, steward and supply 54,000 fans every other week.

    On average it seems to be a 10% revenue loss at present so - £135, 000,000 in losses - which would mean (admittedly at a short glance) Swiss believes our Turnover is at the £1.35 Billion mark...

    Ridiculous...!

    No excuses for why we didn’t spend in 2019 - Why we sold Lovren and failed to replace & have so far done zip about urgent CB need.

    Sid - you do seem overly keen to swiftly counter any suggestion that the club isn’t really spending what it could. Overly keen t champion their stewardship and bleeding edge tech.. It’s kinda cute but...

    ...Ahem You don’t take a check do you?

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    I can't say I know (from memory) what he is or isn't factoring in. I'd need to look over it again and I'd also underline that I am no financial expert.

    A Google of "Swiss Red Liverpool money" would likely bring you to it, so if you should feel inclined to study it in detail, it's certainly very readily available.

    As for the Lovren sale, I think his sale funded Tsimikas, which was another area we needed cover. I'd certainly have welcomed a centre-back due to Mario's injury record and not wanting to take Fabinho out of the midfield on a semi-permanent basis, but we didn't get one - hopefully the Summer. Perhaps we will get Upamecano as he'll have a £38m release clause (rather than paying our Champion's League opponents £50m or so to get him now) or perhaps we get someone else. Certainly if we acquire nobody in that position in the Summer it's a disaster waiting to happen.

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    Manchester United - with their 74,000 seats have only made a record £110m ONCE on match day revenue.. So how we could lose £135m from BCD @Anfield with it’s (what a joke) 20,000 less seats is mind boggling!

    I might be wildly wrong but it seems utter baloney to me.

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    Maybe some link to commercial revenue, stipulations in sponsor contracts linked to there being bums on seats or something? I wouldn't have a clue when it comes to the finer points.

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    Deloitte Football Money League 2018-19 rankings / club / change from 2018 versus 2019 matchday revenue:

    1 – Barcelona (up €145m to €159m)

    2 – Real Madrid (up €143m to €145m)

    3 – Manchester United (up €120m to €121m)

    4 – Bayern Munich (down €104m to €92m)

    5 – Paris Saint-Germain (up €101m to €116m)

    6 – Manchester City (down €64m to €62m)

    7 – Liverpool (up €92 to €95m)

    8 – Tottenham Hotspur (up €85m to 93m)

    9 – Chelsea (down €83m to €76m)

    10 – Juventus (up €51m to €66m)

    11 – Arsenal (down €112m to €109m)

    12 – Borussia Dortmund (up €57m to €60m)

    13 – Atletico Madrid (up €57m to €59m)

    14 – Inter Milan (up €35m to €51m)

    15 – Schalke 04 (up €47m to €54m)

    16 – AS Roma (down €35m to €32m)

    17 – Olympique Lyonnais (up €37m to €42m)

    18 – West Ham United (up €28m to €31m)

    19 – Everton (down €19m to €17m)

    20 – Napoli (down €19m to €16m)

    So even gross - our match day revenue is at €95m - which is £84m - more like half of the £135m you saw from Swiss.


    Also Match day incomes have been increasingly dwarfed by commercial and broadcast monies. As people are not able to attend games more are signing up to live broadcast deals which increases the single largest block of revenue streams.




    These are uncertain times BUT just as in summer 2019 - you don't stand still - not if you want to stay ahead OR as is now the case - get back into the mix.
    Last edited by Steveo; 28th January 2021 at 11:03 AM.

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