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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Yes we allowed him to leave - he wanted to go - tried to leave in August! Don’t you Remember any of this?

    Oh look - at the very same time we tapped up Virgil...?
    So we tried to sign Virgil the same time we disallowed Coutinho to leave. That is not the same as

    we did sell Coutinho to fund it.

    is it?

    You're so bad at this, Steveo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post

    If I sell my house to fund my child’s operation - god forbid - is that the same as wanting to sell my house.??? WTF

    Yes it is. It suggests that you, as a free moral agent, chose to do one thing - sell your house - in order to achieve another thing - afford an operation for your child.

    It suggests that you decided you would not have paid for that operation by other means

    So yes, to recap, you did want to sell your house, the decision became the basis of your plan for managing your resources

    That's how free will works

  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Which probably means it is complete baloney.

    Choose CCTV’s hunches over the evidence
    Hunches ?

    Here's some perspective.

    Fsg have turned around the club's finances.

    They hired Klopp who was and is a perfect manager.

    They have signed up with Nike and as much as you despise Nike over the altruistic Adidas or New balance, it is a sign of progress. It's new balances loss imo that they weren't proactive in securing their great sponsorship deal by offering more money to a criminally undervalued deal.

    Having money in the bank is never a bad thing, our low net spend is a great thing considering the transformation of the squad.

    Klopp signed up till 2024, around the same time as we'd be looking at a new kit deal. It is an integral point where we need to be pretty strong to get another big kit deal. It is also a point where we might have to appoint a new manager.
    From a fiscal perspective 2024 is probably a good point to be planning for.

    Out of our current squad we could expect to have a decent side from the current squad. All our older players will be at the end of their careers or packed up.

    So
    Alisson/Kelleher
    Trent Gomez Robbo
    Fabinho Keita Jones Grujic
    Elliot Mini Jota
    Are young enough now to be considered then if they are still here. I'll spare adding neco and a few others like kabak etc.

    We can probably rely on one of Salah or Mane being sold to la liga in the coming years. Though they both could stay here past their high sale points.

    I like our low net spend as it simply means our squad turnover which has been amazing has come at the cost of little investment relatively.

    I think it sets us up well to add a commercial cash cow attacker, Mbappe being the better fit imo and a potential summer transfer.

    Then Klopp has a few places to fill over the coming seasons and that gives him time to do that and also see how certain youth players develop and whether say with Keita he can ever get fit for a few seasons.

    If we add Mbappe this summer.
    A 2024 team of

    Alisson
    Trent Gomez Robbo
    Jones Fabinho Keita
    Elliot/Mini Jota Mbappe

    Is a pretty decent side to have in lieu as of now.

    Van Dijk, Hendo, Gini, Front 3 are the players we'll have to deal with reaching the end of their careers over the coming seasons.
    Jota & Mbappe would be 2 of the standard required, maybe elliot comes good too.

    A longer term strategy would be the aim for us to be able to spend like manu have done with the revenue we generate.
    It's not a goal beyond us imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    So we tried to sign Virgil the same time we disallowed Coutinho to leave. That is not the same as

    we did sell Coutinho to fund it.

    is it?

    You're so bad at this, Steveo
    Not really Taksin - but I think you should eat fish it’s good for memory. Coutinho was out of the door - August 2017 - about to go - at the very same time we thought we had bagged Virgil. The Virgil deal falls through - and suddenly Coutinho’s move is off. He even went on strike. Or did I imagine that too?

    Fast forward to Christmas - Virgil deal is announced - and the night of his debut - Coutinho sold to a Barca is announced.

    So....
    Last edited by Steveo; 7th February 2021 at 04:28 PM.

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    "if we add mbappe"

    Good joke, real good made me laugh 10/10

    More likely to sign Ivan Toney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Not really Taksin - but I think you should eat fish it’s good for memory. Coutinho was out of the door - August 2017 - about to go - at the very same time we thought we had bagged Virgil. The Virgil deal falls through - and suddenly Coutinho’s move is off. He even went on strike. Or did I imagine that too?

    Fast forward to Christmas - Virgil deal is announced - and the night of his debut - Coutinho sold to a Barca is announced.

    So....
    I'm not the one crafting this story Steveo

    What you have just said contradicts your recent evasive statement;

    At no point have I suggested that the club wanted to sell Coutinho.

    You can't have it both ways, but that doesn't stop you from trying!

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    Also Steveo as you well know I've posted the net spend from transfermstkt repeatedly over the years, so I'm not sure how you posting the same evidence equates to my hunches versus your evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    I'm not the one crafting this story Steveo

    What you have just said contradicts your recent evasive statement;

    At no point have I suggested that the club wanted to sell Coutinho.

    You can't have it both ways, but that doesn't stop you from trying!
    Except is doesn’t.

    If the club know Coutinho wants to leave then that is a problem. The club wants Virgil.

    If you can’t put the two together - well maybe you should stick to medicine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    The Virgil deal falls through - and suddenly Coutinho’s move is off. He even went on strike. Or did I imagine that too?
    Do you believe that Coutinho stayed that summer because we couldn't sign Van Dijk so there was no point selling him?

    It's an interesting theory - never heard anyone use it before. Or are you just running around like a headless chicken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Except is doesn’t.

    If the club know Coutinho wants to leave then that is a problem. The club wants Virgil.

    If you can’t put the two together - well maybe you should stick to medicine
    These sentences barely hang together, Steveo. I honestly think you are floundering now. You can't have a proper argument if you don't know what you are arguing for.

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