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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Could be something to justmes joke, I can see why hed be interested in us...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fE7Otpoiq4
    Wouldn't be bad at all if true..

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    sorry didnt mean to mislead anyone. just a lot of fans on here and in the wilder world. want more huge investments in players. and who else is richer that Jeff Bezos?
    Cleaning up the Scots since the 13th century

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    sorry didnt mean to mislead anyone. just a lot of fans on here and in the wilder world. want more huge investments in players. and who else is richer that Jeff Bezos?
    Elon Musk but I would happily take either.. Would love to see the faces of the Mansours and Shitties fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Elon Musk but I would happily take either.. Would love to see the faces of the Mansours and Shitties fans.
    Why would you want to bring a sugar daddy in when everyone seems to be against City having success only because of the same thing?
    If you're not sure what to do with the ball, just put it in the net, and we'll talk about the other options later... Bob Paisley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyebo View Post
    Why would you want to bring a sugar daddy in when everyone seems to be against City having success only because of the same thing?
    It was a little tongue in cheek Skye - The post about Bezos was surely a joke?.

    But if we are being serious - I guess there might be a few reasons why I might like it.

    1. To have my cake and eat it.

    And

    2. ‘cause I don’t really give a flying a Monkey what everyone else thinks.

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    You’re a bunch of idiots..!


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    Manchester City and United have LOST the most money across Europe in the transfer market since 2016 with Everton and Aston Villa above Premier League rivals Chelsea and Arsenal... and Real Madrid have cost themselves LESS than newly-promoted Leeds
    New data shows how much teams have lost in the transfer market since 2016
    It shows money spent, money earned through sales and the total profit or loss
    Man City have posted the biggest loss, spending £554m more than they earned
    Rivals Man United follow them in second in the table, with a deficit of £515m
    Barcelona, PSG, Inter, Everton and Aston Villa also find themselves in the top 10







    CLUB LEAGUE MONEY SPENT MONEY EARNED TOTAL DEFICIT

    Manchester City Premier League £883m £329m -£554m

    Manchester United Premier League £730m £215m -£515m

    Barcelona LaLiga £1bn £614m -£413m


    Theres several others but not posted! not sure where we come in. It doesnt say.. But Man-city have made a loss of over half a billon in less than 5 years.. Ridiculous and they still paid 95 million in the summer transfer window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Manchester City and United have LOST the most money across Europe in the transfer market since 2016 with Everton and Aston Villa above Premier League rivals Chelsea and Arsenal... and Real Madrid have cost themselves LESS than newly-promoted Leeds
    New data shows how much teams have lost in the transfer market since 2016
    It shows money spent, money earned through sales and the total profit or loss
    Man City have posted the biggest loss, spending £554m more than they earned
    Rivals Man United follow them in second in the table, with a deficit of £515m
    Barcelona, PSG, Inter, Everton and Aston Villa also find themselves in the top 10







    CLUB LEAGUE MONEY SPENT MONEY EARNED TOTAL DEFICIT

    Manchester City Premier League £883m £329m -£554m

    Manchester United Premier League £730m £215m -£515m

    Barcelona LaLiga £1bn £614m -£413m


    Theres several others but not posted! not sure where we come in. It doesnt say.. But Man-city have made a loss of over half a billon in less than 5 years.. Ridiculous and they still paid 95 million in the summer transfer window.
    Are those figures for transfer spending deficits.

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    Jürgen Klopp has been let down by Liverpool owners
    Henry Winter, Chief Football Writer,
    February 9 2021, The Times

    There is no shame in losing to a team of Manchester City’s exceptional class or being outwitted by a coach of Pep Guardiola’s endless inventiveness. The only shame is in not responding. That is the challenge for Liverpool now.

    The central question is whether the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), will respond. It is wrestling with the cost of the pandemic, and can point to investment in the magnificent training ground at Kirkby and to almost £72 million spent on Diogo Jota, Thiago Alcântara and Kostas Tsimikas in the summer.

    The company is largely perceived as a good owner, partly because it is not Tom Hicks and George Gillett — fellow Americans and unpopular predecessors — nor the Glazers at Manchester United, and because John W Henry, the club’s principal owner, engages in community initiatives, speaks well and showed decisiveness when appointing Jürgen Klopp and recruiting Alisson and Virgil van Dijk.

    Yet FSG is also the organisation that proposed a £77 ticket before apologising to fans who staged a mass walkout in protest in 2016, that furloughed staff last year before relenting after a supporters’ backlash, that co-drove the shameless attempted power-grab of Project Big Picture and is now involved in money-spinning plans for a European Super League.

    For all the occasional romantic narrative spun around Henry, he is a businessman, looking for a fistful of dollars and more. Liverpool is not a hobby, a passion for Henry; he is prospecting in a Kop Klondike. Do the maths. Money means more. At a time when Liverpool’s squad required proper investment, Henry paused. All the indications are that the summer will be another period of retrenchment, of the seeds of success left unsown, and the fields of Anfield Road lying fallow.

    For the first time, Henry has let Klopp down, forcing him to raid the middle ranks of the Sky Bet Championship and the bottom of the Bundesliga for central-defensive reinforcements, corner-shop purchasing by a household name. FSG has gone all cheap on Klopp. For an owner who prides himself on his knowledge of the club’s history, Henry should know that Liverpool traditionally strengthened when ahead.

    Those of us lucky to be heading into Anfield on Sunday for Liverpool’s showdown with City, which became a meltdown, saw Sir Kenny Dalglish also arriving, striding in, always there, always supporting the team from the smart seats, just as he delivered on the pitch for them. Dalglish first arrived at Anfield in 1977, following Kevin Keegan, who was moving on to Hamburg. Henry and his acolytes will not need reminding that Liverpool won the European Cup in 1977 with Keegan in attack, then retained the trophy with Dalglish scoring the decisive goal. Momentum maintained. Always strengthen.

    Of the Liverpool team who lost the 2018 Champions League final in Kiev, seven started against City: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson, Jordan Henderson, Georginio Wijnaldum, Mohamed Salah, Roberto Firmino and Sadio Mané, while nine from the triumphant 2019 team in Madrid started at Anfield (adding Alisson and Fabinho). Even dynasties need refreshing. Even a pool of talent needs topping up.

    Liverpool look tired, in need of rejuvenating. Not since the start of the 1963-64 season have they succumbed in three successive games at Anfield, to Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and West Ham United. They still finished champions, under Bill Shankly, that season but that is not going to happen this year. City are too good. Liverpool too drained.

    They need substantial investment in the squad by FSG in the summer, a clearout too, perhaps freeing up some funds. Naby Keita, sadly, is too injury-prone while Divock Origi and Xherdan Shaqiri are good but not elite, although Liverpool fans will offer them thanks for the memories. Wijnaldum’s contract impasse seems symptomatic of Liverpool’s predicament: a principal owner looking at the bottom line when he should be focusing on giving Klopp the resources to be top of the table again.

    If money matters most to Henry, he will surely understand the price of not qualifying for the Champions League, of the embarrassment for him among his Super League plotters. Worryingly for the majority who care about the sporting integrity of the game, Liverpool failing to dash down the Premier League platform and reboard the Champions League gravy train may simply encourage FSG to become further in cahoots with the European greed club.

    Henry needs to respond the right way: speculate to accumulate. Back Klopp. In the acrimonious aftermath of Liverpool’s second-half collapse against an outstanding City, BBC Radio 5 Live’s 606 phone-in with Chris Sutton and Robbie Savage heard from some callers who had clearly divested themselves of all common sense. Klopp out, a couple ventured. Radio going gaga. Fortunately, Sutton and Savage put them in their place. Klopp represents Liverpool’s rescue plan.

    He will respond to the adversity. It is in his nature. He will be furious about Liverpool’s supine defence of their league crown, even if amid the bonfire of the sanities on Sunday evening it was forgotten that there have been far worse title defences, going back to Blackburn Rovers, finishing 7th in 1995-96, Chelsea 10th in 2015-16 and Leicester City ending up 12th a season later.

    Klopp, such an intelligent man, will scrutinise and analyse himself and others. He needs to be less twitchy in interviews and more bold with his substitutions. He needs to hold his nerve, keep showing the courage that defined his 2019 and 2020 teams. Removing Curtis Jones, who was playing well against City, was bizarre, running against Klopp’s identity.

    As well as reinvigorating his squad, Klopp should also consider continuing to refresh his coaching staff, bringing in a new voice for players to respond to. Sir Alex Ferguson was the master of recruiting players to challenge the squad and coaches to challenge the status quo.

    Some new faces will help but anybody with any familiarity with some of the characters in Klopp’s dressing room will know they will still respond. Experienced campaigners and driven individuals such as Henderson, Robertson and Mané will respond. At 35, James Milner’s legs are going, but not his hunger. Alisson is too conscientious a professional not to refocus and immerse himself in training to eradicate the errors of distribution that scarred the second half on Sunday.

    A supreme talent like Alexander-Arnold, only 22, will respond, working on his defensive attributes to complement his phenomenal attacking strengths. A fearless youngster such as Jones, only 20, will respond. Absent friends like Van Dijk and Joe Gomez will return at some point this year, and respond, providing the pacey cover that allows Robertson and Alexander-Arnold to push up more confidently. Jota will return and respond.

    Liverpool will be back and they will respond, but they need backing from FSG.
    
When Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United and Manchester City joined forces at the weekend to demand an end to the online abuse of players, they also referred to the criticism that referees endure, which needed condemning and addressing. The death threats sent to the referee Mike Dean and his family after his decision to dismiss West Ham United’s Tomas Soucek against Fulham, a red card overturned on appeal yesterday, sadly highlighted again the lowlifes lurking online, inevitably intensifying with fans at present barred from airing their views inside grounds. Dean is an honest, hard-working official who loves the game and makes the occasional mistake, yet some people criminally cross the line in calling him to task and the tech giants, as well as the police, have to devote the requisite resources to bringing the perpetrators to account.

    If the online platforms do not accept their responsibility and make those posting more visible then the government has to step in. The game also has a responsibility to Dean, including being more mindful of comments by managers or media that could fan the flames of enmity online.

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    An interesting article by Winter - and some very good points made.

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