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    We don't always have to spend huge for players to be successful. Of our backline only Allison and Van Dijk cost big money. As alluded to earlier they took us on to another level. The team has suffered from investment in key positions such as right back, centre back, defensive midfielder and a central forward. Some of our latest signings have not come to fruition. Thiago is increasingly looking like Klopp's version of Juan Veron, Tsimikas has been injured and Minamino has been shipped out. Only Jota looked the real deal before his injury and he represented a major long-term investment

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Are those figures for transfer spending deficits.
    seems so
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    At the time of correction, I would have given you a number less than the one you had given.
    Something like you were saying our net spend was 20 mill a season under whereas it was lower at 16 mill iirc.
    That's hardly 'correcting me' is it? Most available sources have our net spend at around that £20m mark give or take a million or two, a figure/margin of error which hardly requires any kind of 'correction'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Jürgen Klopp has been let down by Liverpool owners
    Henry Winter, Chief Football Writer,
    February 9 2021, The Times

    There is no shame in losing to a team of Manchester City’s exceptional class or being outwitted by a coach of Pep Guardiola’s endless inventiveness. The only shame is in not responding. That is the challenge for Liverpool now.

    The central question is whether the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), will respond. It is wrestling with the cost of the pandemic, and can point to investment in the magnificent training ground at Kirkby and to almost £72 million spent on Diogo Jota, Thiago Alcântara and Kostas Tsimikas in the summer.

    The company is largely perceived as a good owner, partly because it is not Tom Hicks and George Gillett — fellow Americans and unpopular predecessors — nor the Glazers at Manchester United, and because John W Henry, the club’s principal owner, engages in community initiatives, speaks well and showed decisiveness when appointing Jürgen Klopp and recruiting Alisson and Virgil van Dijk.

    Yet FSG is also the organisation that proposed a £77 ticket before apologising to fans who staged a mass walkout in protest in 2016, that furloughed staff last year before relenting after a supporters’ backlash, that co-drove the shameless attempted power-grab of Project Big Picture and is now involved in money-spinning plans for a European Super League.

    For all the occasional romantic narrative spun around Henry, he is a businessman, looking for a fistful of dollars and more. Liverpool is not a hobby, a passion for Henry; he is prospecting in a Kop Klondike. Do the maths. Money means more. At a time when Liverpool’s squad required proper investment, Henry paused. All the indications are that the summer will be another period of retrenchment, of the seeds of success left unsown, and the fields of Anfield Road lying fallow.

    For the first time, Henry has let Klopp down, forcing him to raid the middle ranks of the Sky Bet Championship and the bottom of the Bundesliga for central-defensive reinforcements, corner-shop purchasing by a household name. FSG has gone all cheap on Klopp. For an owner who prides himself on his knowledge of the club’s history, Henry should know that Liverpool traditionally strengthened when ahead.

    Those of us lucky to be heading into Anfield on Sunday for Liverpool’s showdown with City, which became a meltdown, saw Sir Kenny Dalglish also arriving, striding in, always there, always supporting the team from the smart seats, just as he delivered on the pitch for them. Dalglish first arrived at Anfield in 1977, following Kevin Keegan, who was moving on to Hamburg. Henry and his acolytes will not need reminding that Liverpool won the European Cup in 1977 with Keegan in attack, then retained the trophy with Dalglish scoring the decisive goal. Momentum maintained. Always strengthen.

    Of the Liverpool team who lost the 2018 Champions League final in Kiev, seven started against City: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson, Jordan Henderson, Georginio Wijnaldum, Mohamed Salah, Roberto Firmino and Sadio Mané, while nine from the triumphant 2019 team in Madrid started at Anfield (adding Alisson and Fabinho). Even dynasties need refreshing. Even a pool of talent needs topping up.

    Liverpool look tired, in need of rejuvenating. Not since the start of the 1963-64 season have they succumbed in three successive games at Anfield, to Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and West Ham United. They still finished champions, under Bill Shankly, that season but that is not going to happen this year. City are too good. Liverpool too drained.

    They need substantial investment in the squad by FSG in the summer, a clearout too, perhaps freeing up some funds. Naby Keita, sadly, is too injury-prone while Divock Origi and Xherdan Shaqiri are good but not elite, although Liverpool fans will offer them thanks for the memories. Wijnaldum’s contract impasse seems symptomatic of Liverpool’s predicament: a principal owner looking at the bottom line when he should be focusing on giving Klopp the resources to be top of the table again.

    If money matters most to Henry, he will surely understand the price of not qualifying for the Champions League, of the embarrassment for him among his Super League plotters. Worryingly for the majority who care about the sporting integrity of the game, Liverpool failing to dash down the Premier League platform and reboard the Champions League gravy train may simply encourage FSG to become further in cahoots with the European greed club.

    Henry needs to respond the right way: speculate to accumulate. Back Klopp. In the acrimonious aftermath of Liverpool’s second-half collapse against an outstanding City, BBC Radio 5 Live’s 606 phone-in with Chris Sutton and Robbie Savage heard from some callers who had clearly divested themselves of all common sense. Klopp out, a couple ventured. Radio going gaga. Fortunately, Sutton and Savage put them in their place. Klopp represents Liverpool’s rescue plan.

    He will respond to the adversity. It is in his nature. He will be furious about Liverpool’s supine defence of their league crown, even if amid the bonfire of the sanities on Sunday evening it was forgotten that there have been far worse title defences, going back to Blackburn Rovers, finishing 7th in 1995-96, Chelsea 10th in 2015-16 and Leicester City ending up 12th a season later.

    Klopp, such an intelligent man, will scrutinise and analyse himself and others. He needs to be less twitchy in interviews and more bold with his substitutions. He needs to hold his nerve, keep showing the courage that defined his 2019 and 2020 teams. Removing Curtis Jones, who was playing well against City, was bizarre, running against Klopp’s identity.

    As well as reinvigorating his squad, Klopp should also consider continuing to refresh his coaching staff, bringing in a new voice for players to respond to. Sir Alex Ferguson was the master of recruiting players to challenge the squad and coaches to challenge the status quo.

    Some new faces will help but anybody with any familiarity with some of the characters in Klopp’s dressing room will know they will still respond. Experienced campaigners and driven individuals such as Henderson, Robertson and Mané will respond. At 35, James Milner’s legs are going, but not his hunger. Alisson is too conscientious a professional not to refocus and immerse himself in training to eradicate the errors of distribution that scarred the second half on Sunday.

    A supreme talent like Alexander-Arnold, only 22, will respond, working on his defensive attributes to complement his phenomenal attacking strengths. A fearless youngster such as Jones, only 20, will respond. Absent friends like Van Dijk and Joe Gomez will return at some point this year, and respond, providing the pacey cover that allows Robertson and Alexander-Arnold to push up more confidently. Jota will return and respond.

    Liverpool will be back and they will respond, but they need backing from FSG.
    
When Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United and Manchester City joined forces at the weekend to demand an end to the online abuse of players, they also referred to the criticism that referees endure, which needed condemning and addressing. The death threats sent to the referee Mike Dean and his family after his decision to dismiss West Ham United’s Tomas Soucek against Fulham, a red card overturned on appeal yesterday, sadly highlighted again the lowlifes lurking online, inevitably intensifying with fans at present barred from airing their views inside grounds. Dean is an honest, hard-working official who loves the game and makes the occasional mistake, yet some people criminally cross the line in calling him to task and the tech giants, as well as the police, have to devote the requisite resources to bringing the perpetrators to account.

    If the online platforms do not accept their responsibility and make those posting more visible then the government has to step in. The game also has a responsibility to Dean, including being more mindful of comments by managers or media that could fan the flames of enmity online.
    Some good points I'd agree with, yet its has the typical lyrical flow of a well paid BBC journo and pitifully repost with the ball-less potency of a eunuch

    A team like city who've flailed in producing an incredible third season of football.

    A team perhaps demoralised by the CAS wilful assistance of financial doping and crooked accounting at the Etihad. An awful body in sport probably the worst ever. Enabling city to compete in the CL. After great work by the Germans in exposing their corruption.
    Whats that about the class and quality of city ?

    What contrived image has the city ownership developed ?

    A team demoralised by poor officiating and the loss of players like van dijk to the terrible and persistent injuring of lfc players by everton. Be great to leave the bitters in a lower league.

    A team with players whose international managers have been loathe to release, for relief and player welfare.

    A team that looks to produce beautiful football whilst sharing revenue sportingly with a host of teams that park the bus.

    A management that would seek to produce the greatest spectacle in football where the best teams, playing the highest quality football regularly would wet the appetite of football purists the world over.

    A management that has sought to drag the club up the financial ladder of European football. Delivered an unprecendted 6th and long sought 19th.

    Klopp has recruited from the championship, let down, oh no, yet with a no mark robbo, gini and shaq all recruited from championship bound, bottom of the epl sides.
    Against a Schalke side whose been in the CL struggling now, versus the calibre of Newcastle, stoke and hull and their European exploits.
    Of course a lowly championship player could never del alli for a season or two. The snobbish bore of a man who publicly dictate to Klopp, at least I have the decency to do it anonymously and in a quite place. Maybe you have some balls , not for truth but your own arrogance.

    How little you care for the welfare of Jurgen or Jwh you hypocrite and soft touch writer, pandering to meet the emotional tone of a disappointed fan base and to hell with an objective and more balanced report.

    Dear Henry Winters you authoritarian tyrant, please keep your maniacal phatansies to yourself. You and your ilk were Orwells warning to name but one.
    The welfare of the people…has always been the alibi of tyrants…giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.

    If fanning the flames of enmity are of such concern for you, I formally request your resignation from the BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedNoodle View Post
    That's hardly 'correcting me' is it? Most available sources have our net spend at around that £20m mark give or take a million or two, a figure/margin of error which hardly requires any kind of 'correction'.
    It meets a definition of correcting, it's not meant as a stinging blow, unlike my correction of they tyrant in lieu

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    Winter writes for The Times primarily, think his job is safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Winter writes for The Times primarily, think his job is safe
    BBC/Times an assault on our owner and manager. He should be in prison for his hate speech and xenophobia.

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    Really - where is the assault on Klopp?? Everything the he cites in Jurgen I myself noted on this very forum before Christmas.

    He has been very balanced on Henry too. What is your beef - is Henry a distant Irish relative?

    Below is the nugget for me at least.

    The company is largely perceived as a good owner, partly because it is not Tom Hicks and George Gillett — fellow Americans and unpopular predecessors — nor the Glazers at Manchester United, and because John W Henry, the club’s principal owner, engages in community initiatives, speaks well and showed decisiveness when appointing Jürgen Klopp and recruiting Alisson and Virgil van Dijk.

    Yet FSG is also the organisation that proposed a £77 ticket before apologising to fans who staged a mass walkout in protest in 2016, that furloughed staff last year before relenting after a supporters’ backlash, that co-drove the shameless attempted power-grab of Project Big Picture and is now involved in money-spinning plans for a European Super League.

    For all the occasional romantic narrative spun around Henry, he is a businessman, looking for a fistful of dollars and more. Liverpool is not a hobby, a passion for Henry; he is prospecting in a Kop Klondike. Do the maths. Money means more. At a time when Liverpool’s squad required proper investment, Henry paused. All the indications are that the summer will be another period of retrenchment, of the seeds of success left unsown, and the fields of Anfield Road lying fallow.



    Looks a very succinct description of the reality and divorced from any spin. I would go further - back to summer 2019 for the pause. A price we are now paying for.

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    City had a terrible start to the season. Were we close on 10 points ahead give or take. 10 points behind now. That’s some collapse. Very little to do with city and all to do with us.
    Last edited by eggy81; 9th February 2021 at 11:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiordearg View Post
    We don't always have to spend huge for players to be successful. Of our backline only Allison and Van Dijk cost big money. As alluded to earlier they took us on to another level. The team has suffered from investment in key positions such as right back, centre back, defensive midfielder and a central forward. Some of our latest signings have not come to fruition. Thiago is increasingly looking like Klopp's version of Juan Veron, Tsimikas has been injured and Minamino has been shipped out. Only Jota looked the real deal before his injury and he represented a major long-term investment
    Agreed..

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