Under-investment

[miller0863]

Talking about City and Utd’s spending is a red herring in this debate, held onto by the naysayers in this discussion.
Those of us who feel there is lack of investment point to our 14th placed position in the net spend table on the back of record profits, a Champions League win, World Club Cup/ Championship win and a Premier League win.
No one expects us to spend the obscene amounts spent by City and Utd but we could expect to match or better at least 10 of those clubs above us in the net spend table.
Our performances and results against the bottom six this year are appalling, something which would have improved with a stronger squad.
Financially we are one of the strongest clubs in Europe, outside the Oil rich anomalies.

Net spend may not be everything but it’s a large part of it and a major indicator in the debate. Bringing up City constantly is just annoying they are completely irrelevant.

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I think this season is not really fair to make a balanced arguement either way.

People can say we dont have strong enough squad players thats a fair point but we have had injuries to key players that is freakish bad luck.

As for not spending fair enough but we still need other clubs to spend to get Wilson Origi Shaqiri off the books we cant afford to let players rot.

All the love in for Pep is a joke how did the genius do in his first season at City ??

He had Laporte out last season and his answer is give me £100m for two CBs granted Dias is very good but Ake has played very little and they are writing off £40m on him.

Same with Mendy £50m he is crap lets face it and Pep must have spent close to £350m on defenders alone !

As for our power grab that is wrong Clarke organised that meeting between six clubs so obviously we will listen.

FSG are greedy businessmen and we all know they arent real football fans, but lets be right there was 6-7 clubs chairmen who didnt want project restart.

Funny enough one of those clubs is very very happy to play now they are 5th ....funny that anyone would think they were shit scared of relegation and losing MONEY !!

Next season is the time to see how things go but with very little chance of full grounds spending will be lower again not an excuse its a fact.

We can be smart by looking in the French league at the likes of Soumare if Gini goes sure we can get bargains over there.

[Steveo]

Talking about City and Utd’s spending is a red herring in this debate, held onto by the naysayers in this discussion.
Those of us who feel there is lack of investment point to our 14th placed position in the net spend table on the back of record profits, a Champions League win, World Club Cup/ Championship win and a Premier League win.
No one expects us to spend the obscene amounts spent by City and Utd but we could expect to match or better at least 10 of those clubs above us in the net spend table.
Our performances and results against the bottom six this year are appalling, something which would have improved with a stronger squad.
Financially we are one of the strongest clubs in Europe, outside the Oil rich anomalies.

Net spend may not be everything but it’s a large part of it and a major indicator in the debate. Bringing up City constantly is just annoying they are completely irrelevant.

100%..

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Really - where is the assault on Klopp?? Everything the he cites in Jurgen I myself noted on this very forum before Christmas.

He has been very balanced on Henry too. What is your beef - is Henry a distant Irish relative?

Below is the nugget for me at least.

The company is largely perceived as a good owner, partly because it is not Tom Hicks and George Gillett — fellow Americans and unpopular predecessors — nor the Glazers at Manchester United, and because John W Henry, the club’s principal owner, engages in community initiatives, speaks well and showed decisiveness when appointing Jürgen Klopp and recruiting Alisson and Virgil van Dijk.

Yet FSG is also the organisation that proposed a £77 ticket before apologising to fans who staged a mass walkout in protest in 2016, that furloughed staff last year before relenting after a supporters’ backlash, that co-drove the shameless attempted power-grab of Project Big Picture and is now involved in money-spinning plans for a European Super League.

For all the occasional romantic narrative spun around Henry, he is a businessman, looking for a fistful of dollars and more. Liverpool is not a hobby, a passion for Henry; he is prospecting in a Kop Klondike. Do the maths. Money means more. At a time when Liverpool’s squad required proper investment, Henry paused. All the indications are that the summer will be another period of retrenchment, of the seeds of success left unsown, and the fields of Anfield Road lying fallow.


Looks a very succinct description of the reality and divorced from any spin. I would go further - back to summer 2019 for the pause. A price we are now paying for.

Henry and Klopp are both hard working decent fellows. Yet this Winters is seeking to gag criticism for refs, while dishing it out in spades to our lads.

As per this succinct conclusion all the indicators, what indicators ?

I've posted a critique of the piece, maybe you could have a look at the absent points which would balance the piece.

For all the generous gifting by the altruistic city ownership, they burned out last season after 2 great seasons. Yet we are down now and it's the spend, maybe city didn't spend enough either ?

This cunt is all about the money himself ironically , soft on thinking and the piece doesn't reflect the football realities.

[CCTV]

Shit season so far, shit happens, Everton.

Go back to the summer and the acquisitions of jota and thiago. A bit of bad luck, bitters exist, and the spin on their stewardship is cringe. Can't remember the doom bad gloom posts

Wasn't many complaints in the summer and the only one made really re Lovren was a risk taken that typically would be safe enough. But then VVD got mullered.

Pandering to meet the emotional wants of fans, short on criticising city whose wondrous benevolent owners are well known to advertise with numerous papers so as to discourage criticism.

[CCTV]

Talking about City and Utd’s spending is a red herring in this debate, held onto by the naysayers in this discussion.
Those of us who feel there is lack of investment point to our 14th placed position in the net spend table on the back of record profits, a Champions League win, World Club Cup/ Championship win and a Premier League win.
No one expects us to spend the obscene amounts spent by City and Utd but we could expect to match or better at least 10 of those clubs above us in the net spend table.
Our performances and results against the bottom six this year are appalling, something which would have improved with a stronger squad.
Financially we are one of the strongest clubs in Europe, outside the Oil rich anomalies.

Net spend may not be everything but it’s a large part of it and a major indicator in the debate. Bringing up City constantly is just annoying they are completely irrelevant.

Maybe city should have given pep enough money so as to avoid a poor third season after w cracking seasons.
As city fans say, the owners haven't really backed pep.

[Steveo]

Henry and Klopp are both hard working decent fellows. Yet this Winters is seeking to gag criticism for refs, while dishing it out in spades to our lads.

As per this succinct conclusion all the indicators, what indicators ?

I've posted a critique of the piece, maybe you could have a look at the absent points which would balance the piece.

For all the generous gifting by the altruistic city ownership, they burned out last season after 2 great seasons. Yet we are down now and it's the spend, maybe city didn't spend enough either ?

This cunt is all about the money himself ironically , soft on thinking and the piece doesn't reflect the football realities.

Yawn...Again - the focus on City and also refs. t



The article is mainly targeting a lack of support for Klopp at a crucial time. If it gets you foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog - then perhaps you should look within and readjust your own perception of who and what is running Liverpool FC. Perhaps they are not quite so AMAZING as some believe. They we not amazing when we were winning nothing - not amazing while we won number 6 and and they have been below par since we won number 19.

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Yawn...Again - the focus on City and also refs. t

The article is mainly targeting a lack of support for Klopp at a crucial time. If it gets you foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog - then perhaps you should look within and readjust your own perception of who and what is running Liverpool FC. Perhaps they are not quite so AMAZING as some believe. They we not amazing when we were winning nothing - not amazing while we won number 6 and and they have been below par since we won number 19.

They tagging on of some politically motivated and hypocritical garbage at the end needs pointing out, as imo the article isn't as good as you think.

If you post an article you describe as succinct with the refs and city in it, don't be surprised if the reply to your article addresses those points in the article you posted.

It's rather glowing of city and yet fails to acknowledge we are having a dip they had last season. The CAS overruling the decision based on sound reporting on them in Germany. City shouldn't be in the cal this year and should be suffering from their own corrupt accounting practices.
Yet the case case again let's cheaters, benefit.

I'll defend Klopp and Henry against your Winters article.

I'm under no illusion as to the significance of klopp in our upturn in fortunes.
Net spend was larger in the same timeframe before Klopp arrived. Yet the benefits of that extra investment didn't materialise in 2 massive titles, 2 incredible pl seasons and 3 euro finals.
Same way with arsenal it didn't materialise, same way it didn't prevent Pepsi city dipping last season.
Spurs are also a very well run club too without the titles.

I did ask you what indicators are credibly the basis for the predicted summer out come ? Like most journos I'd suggest the artistry of the piece overrides a critical and composed piece.

Way i see it Klopp arrived and talked about building organically, using time to get a side together and acquire the requisite parts.
He was given that time and when the time came he got most of the targets he wanted, according to him he settled for Salah as the back up option.

We are all whinging now and fucked off with the season, bcd football, yet there was little to mean about at the start of the season.
I'd have liked Mbappe of course.

[eggy81]

Shit season so far, shit happens, Everton.

Go back to the summer and the acquisitions of jota and thiago. A bit of bad luck, bitters exist, and the spin on their stewardship is cringe. Can't remember the doom bad gloom posts

Wasn't many complaints in the summer and the only one made really re Lovren was a risk taken that typically would be safe enough. But then VVD got mullered.

Pandering to meet the emotional wants of fans, short on criticising city whose wondrous benevolent owners are well known to advertise with numerous papers so as to discourage criticism.

Nah there was plenty of posts even last season worrying about the mini slump in form post lockdown 1, though rather hopefully we all put it down to having walked the league and not needing to be near our best to finish. In reality the slump started last season.

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The cas again (fucking autocorrect)