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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlfc View Post
    Get yourself on Absolute Radio. You'll be singing along in no time.
    One thing the world definitely doesn't need (especially right now) is me 'singing'. Other people might be 'tone deaf', but I have 'the tone of death'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedNoodle View Post
    That **** Trevor Sinclair is now trying to excuse the Leicester players that had a party despite the rules in place due to Covid He says that they've been in a bubble for months so it's understandable. Oh do f-off. It certainly is not 'understandable', especially given the privileged position they find themselves in.
    Spot on Noods.

    Footballers have larger houses and gardens with much more privacy, plus can afford to have almost limitless stuff delivered to the House.

    No excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Spot on Noods.

    Footballers have larger houses and gardens with much more privacy, plus can afford to have almost limitless stuff delivered to the House.

    No excuses.
    Does that negate their basic human need for social interaction though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggy81 View Post
    I don’t really care how much they spend either. It’s top level sport. Whoever pays wins. That’s the way it’s always been bad the odd exception. Shouldn’t be any ffp IMO.
    Couldn't disagree more!

    Just flies in the face of meritocracy.

    I'll give you a non-sport example. Forewarned is forearmed, I'll be on my Soap-box here - and am not aiming to "have a go" at you. I can't state that enough.

    I dog-walk for a living. The bye-laws state there can be no more than 4 at a time. So I walk 4 at a time, maximum. To earn any decent money, I have to walk for more hours, which costs me more energy. To provide a good service (dog genuinely enjoys the walk and isn't stressed by other dogs) means I have to drive them further away to parks with more compassionate clientel, who won't let their Staffie/Rottweiler run up to the disabled Labrador I bought a ramp for out of my own pocket, potentially knocking it over.

    Because I am constrained by the time of giving them a full hour, plus pairing them suitably (won't put a nervous Whippet with a bouncy Boxer) and walking them to nicer parks, I face logistical nightmares with traffic and every minute counts. I work super hard on the dog's recall (so they don't disturb other people's dogs) and if their recall isn't adequate, I keep them on lead. Bear in mind I might be holding onto 2 Golden Retrievers, a Husky and a Doberman at the same time, having already been stressed by traffic and already being tired from previous hours of walking.

    I'm punctual, I negotiate with the clients about the time the dog is walked (so the "blocks" of time they are left alone for is as short as possible) and I come Home pretty zapped some days.

    Now. The rivals. Anywhere between 6 and 13 dogs at a time, dumped into a field to knock 7 shades out of each other as they are over-stimulated. They are constantly being conditioned to run up to other dogs (because they get chased or enjoy chasing another dog) and thus when their owners walk them at weekends, they are in charge of "don't worry he's only playing" dogs that terrify children at beaches, interrupt picnics, disturb dogs that need to be on a lead as they are leash-aggressive and so on. Also, in picking up a larger number of dogs, the first dog picked up is in the car/van for MUCH longer (as it takes longer to pick up a bigger group) which is creating all sorts of frustration and impulse issues, as well as the dog being far too hot in Summer months.

    These people will do one walk, maybe two at a push - and take in loads as they charge per dog. They're not under pressure of time to have the dogs dropped off for the next walk and if they take on a client that isn't "easy" they can just say "sorry, doesn't work" because it's such a small percentage of income, whereas every dog I take on counts. They're back in the House after about 3 hours of shoddy, law-breaking work that's causing all sorts of behavioural issues with dogs (and not picking up all the poo) and of course because they take so much in, they have all day to swan about with business cards, or afford a larger van with larger text to recruit more clients, or work at social media promotion.

    They're "flashier" than me. They do a far inferior job and make far more money for this vastly easier, no-conscience-whatsoever work. They cherry-pick the very easiest dogs (wee Bichons and Cockapoos) and my desperation to stay afloat means I end up taking on what's left and working through behaviour issues at a dog-walking rate just to get by, or having to work harder at being creative/smart with advertising - and am under constant pressure to be "perfect" at my job to stand out from the crowd, which takes a toll. The amount of stuff I have ended up memorising about ligaments, breed traits, medicines, socialisation windows, counter-conditioning to rehabilitate broken canine minds - just so that my work can "compete" with the amount these people can pay on self-promo (rather than EARNING a good reputation) has overwhelmed me at times.

    To stand out further from the crowd, I take 2-3 days at Christmas. One year in the past 5 I took all 5 days off. Beyond that, no time off for birthdays, bank holidays, anything - my availability is what makes me stand out. On Tuesday coming I have re-arranged the schedule (which took a lot of negotiation with clients who take my availability for granted) so that I can accommodate an arthritic client getting her Husky into the boot as she isn't physically capable of lifting him.

    When I see cheating, law-breaking, lazy route to victory with no consciousness stuff whatsoever in my place of work, I see the embodiment of what the Man City, PSG, Chelsea etc type clubs and their fans stand for. I always think of "the working man is the tough guy, you father is the tough guy" and "anyone can pull a trigger, let's see him get out of bed and work day after day" in association with those plebs, or the friend we all have who is an extremely good lad but his Bird leaves him for the local drug dealer and you have to support him through the Heartache.

    I know that was long-winded. I'm sorry it was. But fuck those people, fuck Man City and fuck the bigger-wallet-wins strategy.

    We won our Title through outsmarting the market and outworking the other sides and it made the 30-year wait infinitely sweeter. It won't be our last title either and I for one hope we aren't the biggest spenders that year either so we can rub the noses of the snide, supported a side for 5 years because money wankers right into the dirt.

    .......and breathe

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggy81 View Post
    Does that negate their basic human need for social interaction though.
    It doesnt but than us "normal" folk arent allowed to attend parties either.

    Sinclair is a drunk so of course he agrees with it !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Couldn't disagree more!

    Just flies in the face of meritocracy.

    I'll give you a non-sport example. Forewarned is forearmed, I'll be on my Soap-box here - and am not aiming to "have a go" at you. I can't state that enough.

    I dog-walk for a living. The bye-laws state there can be no more than 4 at a time. So I walk 4 at a time, maximum. To earn any decent money, I have to walk for more hours, which costs me more energy. To provide a good service (dog genuinely enjoys the walk and isn't stressed by other dogs) means I have to drive them further away to parks with more compassionate clientel, who won't let their Staffie/Rottweiler run up to the disabled Labrador I bought a ramp for out of my own pocket, potentially knocking it over.

    Because I am constrained by the time of giving them a full hour, plus pairing them suitably (won't put a nervous Whippet with a bouncy Boxer) and walking them to nicer parks, I face logistical nightmares with traffic and every minute counts. I work super hard on the dog's recall (so they don't disturb other people's dogs) and if their recall isn't adequate, I keep them on lead. Bear in mind I might be holding onto 2 Golden Retrievers, a Husky and a Doberman at the same time, having already been stressed by traffic and already being tired from previous hours of walking.

    I'm punctual, I negotiate with the clients about the time the dog is walked (so the "blocks" of time they are left alone for is as short as possible) and I come Home pretty zapped some days.

    Now. The rivals. Anywhere between 6 and 13 dogs at a time, dumped into a field to knock 7 shades out of each other as they are over-stimulated. They are constantly being conditioned to run up to other dogs (because they get chased or enjoy chasing another dog) and thus when their owners walk them at weekends, they are in charge of "don't worry he's only playing" dogs that terrify children at beaches, interrupt picnics, disturb dogs that need to be on a lead as they are leash-aggressive and so on. Also, in picking up a larger number of dogs, the first dog picked up is in the car/van for MUCH longer (as it takes longer to pick up a bigger group) which is creating all sorts of frustration and impulse issues, as well as the dog being far too hot in Summer months.

    These people will do one walk, maybe two at a push - and take in loads as they charge per dog. They're not under pressure of time to have the dogs dropped off for the next walk and if they take on a client that isn't "easy" they can just say "sorry, doesn't work" because it's such a small percentage of income, whereas every dog I take on counts. They're back in the House after about 3 hours of shoddy, law-breaking work that's causing all sorts of behavioural issues with dogs (and not picking up all the poo) and of course because they take so much in, they have all day to swan about with business cards, or afford a larger van with larger text to recruit more clients, or work at social media promotion.

    They're "flashier" than me. They do a far inferior job and make far more money for this vastly easier, no-conscience-whatsoever work. They cherry-pick the very easiest dogs (wee Bichons and Cockapoos) and my desperation to stay afloat means I end up taking on what's left and working through behaviour issues at a dog-walking rate just to get by, or having to work harder at being creative/smart with advertising - and am under constant pressure to be "perfect" at my job to stand out from the crowd, which takes a toll. The amount of stuff I have ended up memorising about ligaments, breed traits, medicines, socialisation windows, counter-conditioning to rehabilitate broken canine minds - just so that my work can "compete" with the amount these people can pay on self-promo (rather than EARNING a good reputation) has overwhelmed me at times.

    To stand out further from the crowd, I take 2-3 days at Christmas. One year in the past 5 I took all 5 days off. Beyond that, no time off for birthdays, bank holidays, anything - my availability is what makes me stand out. On Tuesday coming I have re-arranged the schedule (which took a lot of negotiation with clients who take my availability for granted) so that I can accommodate an arthritic client getting her Husky into the boot as she isn't physically capable of lifting him.

    When I see cheating, law-breaking, lazy route to victory with no consciousness stuff whatsoever in my place of work, I see the embodiment of what the Man City, PSG, Chelsea etc type clubs and their fans stand for. I always think of "the working man is the tough guy, you father is the tough guy" and "anyone can pull a trigger, let's see him get out of bed and work day after day" in association with those plebs, or the friend we all have who is an extremely good lad but his Bird leaves him for the local drug dealer and you have to support him through the Heartache.

    I know that was long-winded. I'm sorry it was. But fuck those people, fuck Man City and fuck the bigger-wallet-wins strategy.

    We won our Title through outsmarting the market and outworking the other sides and it made the 30-year wait infinitely sweeter. It won't be our last title either and I for one hope we aren't the biggest spenders that year either so we can rub the noses of the snide, supported a side for 5 years because money wankers right into the dirt.

    .......and breathe
    We’re more akin to the big time Charlie’s in your example than than we are to your operation Sid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggy81 View Post
    Does that negate their basic human need for social interaction though.
    If the rest of us mere mortals can find a way, they certainly can. They have better support networks than most.

    Restrictions are easing and more people are getting vaccinated. My sympathy for Footballers breaking rules like that is a bit limited quite honestly. Especially the likes of Kyle Walker and the prostitutes/strippers/whatever it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggy81 View Post
    We’re more akin to the big time Charlie’s in your example than than we are to your operation Sid.
    You're not wrong of course. But I've always felt that, by and large, "we" did more things the "right" way than not. Just a sense that more of the things we dislike about the game are happening more often and in more areas, you know?

    Like diving/cynicism seems worse than ever - and you have someone like Fernandinho getting away with what should be yellows all the time. Or the ridiculous wages/transfer fees that Chelsea's 04/05 and onwards spell did relative to the market, or same with City's. I know we've our shitty components (we are a part of the Machine that sees kids trying to bulk up early rather than play for fun and focus on technicality) too, but we have generally felt the (much) lesser of some of the Evil in the Footballing World, though as a fan I can't deny the underlying, tribal bias. Even things like yellow and red cards - for years it "feels like" (don't know the stats off-hand) we are really well-behaved in that department and I rarely recall us surrounding the refs to the degree/with the vitriol of, say, Fergie's United sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    You're not wrong of course. But I've always felt that, by and large, "we" did more things the "right" way than not. Just a sense that more of the things we dislike about the game are happening more often and in more areas, you know?

    Like diving/cynicism seems worse than ever - and you have someone like Fernandinho getting away with what should be yellows all the time. Or the ridiculous wages/transfer fees that Chelsea's 04/05 and onwards spell did relative to the market, or same with City's. I know we've our shitty components (we are a part of the Machine that sees kids trying to bulk up early rather than play for fun and focus on technicality) too, but we have generally felt the (much) lesser of some of the Evil in the Footballing World, though as a fan I can't deny the underlying, tribal bias. Even things like yellow and red cards - for years it "feels like" (don't know the stats off-hand) we are really well-behaved in that department and I rarely recall us surrounding the refs to the degree/with the vitriol of, say, Fergie's United sides.
    Completely agree that football is gone to shit. The on pitch product hasn’t been worse since I’ve been watching I don’t think. I just don’t agree there should be rules stopping clubs gaining the financial means to compete for trophies. If they didn’t get financial backing they would never win anything. It’s as simple as that. Everyone got backed financially at some stage to become”big” including us.
    We haven’t finished outside the top 8 of the top division since 1953 the year we were relegated. Since we came back up we’ve never finished outside the top 8.
    Don’t think we have any right to deny clubs that have endured much harder stunts some success.

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    Have you thought about being a dog trainer Sid? Have you looked into it?
    When you have 4 dogs in your car do they sometimes get aggressive with eachother?

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