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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post

    Nothing against Arabs or Russians, nor any race/nation. Some individuals within them and some regimes, certainly.

    For example I'd never take issue with having a Chinese owner, just because they were Chinese. Whereas if we were owned by the Chinese Government, that would be a different story, due to human rights issues.
    Hmm you would have to say that though Sid.

    And these individuals and ‘regimes’ (Americanism used to propagandise and demonise - aimed at those lacking individual thought)… you learn about them and their wickedness from where exactly? Seeing as you don’t read papers - I am left to wonder. One imagines your info is gleaned from the usual western sources? Film and Television news produced by the usual suspects.?

    What are your thoughts on the human rights issues ( not to mention the more than 1 million deaths ) contravened by US foreign policy - say Iraq, Libya and - oh I dunno - Afghanistan??

    Do we think this lot are ok? They sanction the film and TV we all watch AND they create the framework for billionaires like John Henry and the Glazers to flourish.. Junk food companies to poison billions, the likes of MonSanto to poison the very earth and big pharma to enslave millions more needlessly with their products.

    Have you ever managed to look at them in any other light Sid?

    Not that I want to shake you from your delusion - it’s so common to so many, but it needs pointing out.


    I guess this has gone off topic - but then we all know why that is don’t we..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Hmm you would have to say that though Sid.
    I'd like to know what that's supposed to mean.

    Given the conversational context, it reads as an implied insinuation that I'm a xenophobe or racist. That may not have been your intention and I'd be very reluctant to jump to conclusions as I have (thankfully) seen little evidence of that on here, but I think a clarification is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    I'd like to know what that's supposed to mean.

    Given the conversational context, it reads as an implied insinuation that I'm a xenophobe or racist. That may not have been your intention and I'd be very reluctant to jump to conclusions as I have (thankfully) seen little evidence of that on here, but I think a clarification is appropriate.
    Must admit I couldn’t even get the drift of what the post meant. Happy to be enlightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Hmm you would have to say that though Sid.

    And these individuals and ‘regimes’ (Americanism used to propagandise and demonise - aimed at those lacking individual thought)… you learn about them and their wickedness from where exactly? Seeing as you don’t read papers - I am left to wonder. One imagines your info is gleaned from the usual western sources? Film and Television news produced by the usual suspects.?

    What are your thoughts on the human rights issues ( not to mention the more than 1 million deaths ) contravened by US foreign policy - say Iraq, Libya and - oh I dunno - Afghanistan??

    Do we think this lot are ok? They sanction the film and TV we all watch AND they create the framework for billionaires like John Henry and the Glazers to flourish.. Junk food companies to poison billions, the likes of MonSanto to poison the very earth and big pharma to enslave millions more needlessly with their products.

    Have you ever managed to look at them in any other light Sid?

    Not that I want to shake you from your delusion - it’s so common to so many, but it needs pointing out.


    I guess this has gone off topic - but then we all know why that is don’t we..
    Exactly, US create an image to the world, everyone against them are bad evils. They r the worst in fact, killing after killing.

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    And what have FSG done morally wrong exactly? Exactly, not vaguely like ‘all capitalism exploits someone somewhere’. Let’s not be children about it.

    It used to be that if you spoke to football fans from anywhere in Europe, there would be something like a consensus that three clubs - Chelsea, PSG amd Man City had done something to distort the market and undermine the game. Their influence was seen as unfair and people saw the basic structure of those clubs as a sad sign of the times. The corruption of the mega rich, from cultures we don’t approve of, playthings of oligarchs, the clubs have become personal toys. We set up commissions to investigate the activity of these shady owners and fans generally felt the victories of these clubs were unfair, bought not earned, in some obvious way cheated and there was a moral high ground taken against them - you may have won but you’ve got plastic flags and plastic support.

    Now we have to listen to our own fans endlessly using those clubs and their gross excesses as a stick to beat our own club with. Our club, where the ownership spend every penny of our income back on the club and take no earnings. And we have to endure this constant mind numbering critique whilst being told it is on socialist principles too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    I'd like to know what that's supposed to mean.

    Given the conversational context, it reads as an implied insinuation that I'm a xenophobe or racist. That may not have been your intention and I'd be very reluctant to jump to conclusions as I have (thankfully) seen little evidence of that on here, but I think a clarification is appropriate.
    Not saying that you are a xenophobe at all - in fact, I think it is quite clear you are anything but Sid. Just implying that ANYONE would be compelled to make that statement when dealing with such a topic.

    I am questioning HOW you reach these conclusions about owners of other clubs seemingly so flippantly when by your own admission you don't read papers. Outside of print and, in a digital world largely controlled by US tech giants, we are far more likely to come across articles and media that slate the enemy - Russia and or any former associate of Putin is likely to be an easy target..

    Just seems you wanted to use the old bogey man put down on Roman and the Mansour's...not that I have any respect for the Mansour/UAE/City ownership at all.

    Just seemed an easy distraction from the point Souness was making.

    It could be seen as a dig at us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    And what have FSG done morally wrong exactly? Exactly, not vaguely like ‘all capitalism exploits someone somewhere’. Let’s not be children about it.

    It used to be that if you spoke to football fans from anywhere in Europe, there would be something like a consensus that three clubs - Chelsea, PSG amd Man City had done something to distort the market and undermine the game. Their influence was seen as unfair and people saw the basic structure of those clubs as a sad sign of the times. The corruption of the mega rich, from cultures we don’t approve of, playthings of oligarchs, the clubs have become personal toys. We set up commissions to investigate the activity of these shady owners and fans generally felt the victories of these clubs were unfair, bought not earned, in some obvious way cheated and there was a moral high ground taken against them - you may have won but you’ve got plastic flags and plastic support.

    Now we have to listen to our own fans endlessly using those clubs and their gross excesses as a stick to beat our own club with. Our club, where the ownership spend every penny of our income back on the club and take no earnings. And we have to endure this constant mind numbering critique whilst being told it is on socialist principles too.
    I don't know of any specific morally treacherous actions undertaken by them or their associated individuals. I am sure the likes of Henry made his pile by being nice..

    Man prints T-Shirts - is a jolly nice chap and makes billions... haha...


    I am simply saying that in any market-led economy - be you a Russian orphan in the wild east post glasnost - or a wealthy soybean farm boy in the good old US of A - it is highly unlikely that you make billions without some form of exploitation.




    Either way turning any discussion about transfers when a club is ontop into a debate on the morality of the owners - is clearly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetan991 View Post
    Exactly, US create an image to the world, everyone against them are bad evils. They r the worst in fact, killing after killing.
    But they own and control 99.99% of all film, TV production, and news media consumed in the west - BUT - these very same westerners believe they live in a democracy. They own the truth for billions of people who simply don't have the time to look a little more closely.

    Wickedly brilliant isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Either way turning any discussion about transfers when a club is ontop into a debate on the morality of the owners - is clearly ridiculous.
    So is using the collapse of Afghanistan as evidence that spending £100 million on Jack Grealish is desirable

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    As a response to Sid's off-topic comments in reference to those, I posted from Souness... Absolutely.


    EDIT: I am talking about the Afghanistan reference BTW - spunking £100 million on Grealish would never be my idea of desirable. Think what you could get with that money. Souness clearly rates him that highly.
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