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    UEFA Co-efficient.

    I'm one of the estimated 1-3 people who will care about this and that's fine Football matches aren't won here and there's no trophy for a good score, but it's a fantastic indication of the incredible job that Klopp and the squad are doing all the same, so here it is.

    As 99% of you will know -

    - The UEFA club coefficient rankings are based on the results of all European clubs in UEFA club competition.
    - The association club coefficient or country rankings take into account the results of all clubs from each association and are used to determine the number of entries an association is granted for forthcoming seasons.
    - The club coefficient rankings take into account the results of each club in UEFA club competition and are used to determine a club’s seeding in club competition draws.
    - The coefficients – from which the rankings are formed and which are based on performances over the last five seasons – will be updated directly after each completed round of UEFA club competition matches.

    It's been updated to take this season into account and it makes for very pleasant reading.

    In the 16/17 season, we weren't in Europe, on account of our low League position and Europa League Final loss in the previous season. So the big fat zero score was a huge anchor, weighing down our total score. The system rewards consistency, so a club could be regularly in Europe and theoretically have a higher overall score despite not going far in the tournament.

    In 20/21 our score of 101 put us 9th, only narrowly ahead of Arsenal (which seems laughable) in 10th.

    Now tiny drum roll we are third(for now) and only bettered by Bayern Munich (1st) and Man City (2nd) as we have finally shifted that zero score from 16/17, which has been a loooong time coming.

    Provided we stay relatively consistent in European competitions for a few seasons we should stay relatively high in the rankings, which will see us nicely seeded more often than not and thus give us "easier" group stages mostly. We can expect some drop in the positions as we will lose the 30 points and the 29 points over the next couple of seasons, which will be very hard to fully replace, but still.

    Current score (21/22) -

    17/18 - 30 points
    18/19 - 29 points
    19/20 - 18 points
    20/21 - 24 points
    21/22 - 4 points (for now, this will go up)
    Total - 105 points

    Pretty great to see!

    Looking at another club (Arsenal) we can see just how quickly a club might fall -

    17/18 - 21 points
    18/19 - 26 points
    19/20 - 10 points
    20/21 - 23 points
    21/22 - 0 points
    Total - 80 points

    If we imagine Arsenal miss out on European football again (and thus have a 0-score in 22/23) and inevitably lose the 17/18 score of 21 points then they'll drop right down to 59 points. Thus (potentially) finding it harder to break back into Europe/lower seeding when they get there/more difficult groups when they return. In short, Arsenal could, as a "European power" become really irrelevant, really quickly if they aren't exceedingly careful. Indeed, we faced the abyss ourselves - we'll see that by charting our own progress back to 04/05.

    04/05 - 95 points - 5th
    05/06 - 85 points - 6th
    06/07 - 90 points - 3rd (AC Milan first and Inter fourth, mental how that's changed!)
    07/08 - 94 points - 3rd
    08/09 - 103 points - 3rd
    09/10 - 99 points - 5th
    10/11 - 98 points - 5th
    11/12 - 74 points - 11th
    12/13 - 62 points - 17th
    13/14 - 42 points - 32nd
    14/15 - 31 points - 42nd
    15/16 - 41 points - 35th
    16/17 - 41 points - 34th

    17/18 - 62 points - 22nd
    18/19 - 91 points - 11th
    19/20 - 99 points - 10th
    20/21 - 101 points - 9th
    21/22 - 105 points - 3rd (for now)

    I actually find seeing that low spell in European rankings much more horrifying than looking at League table positions domestically. But more significantly, it shows were we were in Europe under Rafa's spell and how Klopp has pretty much got us back into the upper areas again and God that makes me so damned happy to see, particularly having shaken off the damage done by what was a very alarming fall.

    As to how far we can take it this season - who knows! But a strong Champion's League campaign with fans in the floodlit stadium would be a real treat, needless to say.
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    Thanks Sid. You can add me to the caring group on this. Interesting stuff

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    Pretty interesting that Sid. Bit surprised that City are 2nd. Where are Real Madrid, Athletico and Juventus.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faridtoxteth View Post
    Pretty interesting that Sid. Bit surprised that City are 2nd. Where are Real Madrid, Athletico and Juventus.?
    City are 2nd due to the sheer consistency of going quite deep in tournaments, quite regularly. Man United tend to have a good score for the same reason - their deep Europa League runs help them a lot.

    Real Madrid are 6th, Juventus 9th and Atletico 10th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faridtoxteth View Post
    Pretty interesting that Sid. Bit surprised that City are 2nd. Where are Real Madrid, Athletico and Juventus.?
    Just to go into it in more detail for you now that I'm home -

    Real Madrid (6th) -

    17/18 - 32 points
    18/19 - 19 points
    19/20 - 17 points
    20/21 - 26 points
    21/22 - 4 points (so far)
    Total - 98 points - lost the 33 points of the 16/17 season.

    Juventus (9th) -

    17/18 - 23 points
    18/19 - 21 points
    19/20 - 22 points
    20/21 - 21 points
    21/22 - 4 points (so far)
    Total - 91 points - lost the 33 points of the 16/17 season.

    Atletico Madrid (10th) -

    17/18 - 28 points
    18/19 - 20 points
    19/20 - 22 points
    20/21 - 16 points
    21/22 - 4 points (so far)
    Total- 90 points - lost the 29 points of the 16/17 season.

    Your top 10 is -

    Bayern Munich
    Man City
    Liverpool
    Barcelona
    Chelsea
    Real Madrid
    PSG
    Man United*
    Atletico
    Juventus

    *Man United are worthy of a brief discussion actually as they are pretty textbook example of the rewarding-of-consistency of the format. When they fail to get the Champion's League, they get the Europa League - and generally go quite far. When they mess up in their Champion's League group, they manage to finish 3rd rather than 4th, thus "dropping down" into the Europa League, where again, they tend to go far. It's one of the reasons I always want us to take the Europa League seriously when we're in it (much as the Champion's League is vastly preferable) as you can still be feeling the benefit of a decent run 4 seasons later - it can make or break your Champion's League group. Remember Alisson's glorious save in 18/19 against Napoli? Part of the folklore now, but if that ball goes in we don't win the Champion's League - we were in a "Group of Death" there and the higher your ranking is, the less chance of you being in one, generally speaking.
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    So we are gonna be 1 of the top seeded teams in each of the 8 CL groups?

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    I'm one of the other 2 😆😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydenham red View Post
    So we are gonna be 1 of the top seeded teams in each of the 8 CL groups?
    I'm just not computing this.

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    Well… just one of them I would have thought

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    Yea i think i phrased that badly.

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