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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post

    I've given examples of how this can be done and why I don't believe ffp has any grounds for action in terms of player sponsorships/ambassadorial payments.

    I've said looking for fact is not a sensible objective in this discussion.
    Yes but I have given reasons why your examples remain unlikely and not only unproven but, as far as we know, imaginary. The emails only prove they want to evade FFP regulations (in terms of players wages), not that they have found a way.

    We will have to seek confirmation from an expert on whether endorsements constitute payments to a player from the club. You may think FFP have no grounds for counting them but you may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huyrob View Post
    Have to disagree here, yes it may be the players agent who negotiates the sponsorship deal , but if he is negotiating with an outright benefactor with an open wallet then …?
    Then it is a concealed payment from the benefactor if the benefactor is connected with the club.

    I don't think those razor blades are made in Abu Dhabi - Gilette may have their own reasons for employing Raheem Sterling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taksin View Post
    You are muddying the waters if you are insinuating that non playing staff wages are included. That isn't what was reported in May. by the way they have City above us, not United;

    "Man City (£351m) were the only club in England with a higher wage bill than Liverpool, with Man United (£284m), Chelsea (£283m) and Arsenal (£225m) making up the rest of the top five.

    Swiss Ramble reports that Liverpool have seen the highest wage increase of the Premier League‘s big six over the last three years, at 56 percent.

    Worryingly, the club’s wages-to-turnover ratio increased from 58 percent to 66 percent, and though this was only the 14th-highest across the Premier League, it suggests the Reds have taken a big loss as their success coincided with the pandemic."
    The pandemic accounts aren't a complete year so I'd wait till next accounts are out before taking the increase as a percentage of turnover as concrete. Iirc there are TV revenue payments from that accounting year that will appear in the next year's accounts. Whilst the Nike boost via shirt sales can be measured then too.

    On the wages it depends who you cite and what year. This is one of the articles where I took that insinuation from
    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/truth-liverpools-wage-bill-man-15830856

    Liverpool currently employ in excess of 800 staff across the club's different departments who are all included in the latest set of accounts.

    In contrast, City's annual wage bill of £260million only includes 449 members of staff - 210 on the football side and 239 in commercial and administration.

    That figure is much lower than Liverpool's because elements of City's business are outsourced.

    It's also understood that a number of significant salaries at City are paid by the City Football Group, the holding company that administers all the global clubs under the ownership of Abu Dhabi United Group.

    Back in November, German magazine Der Spiegel alleged that City had previously sought to circumvent UEFA Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules by secretly setting up a shell company to pay players for their image rights. They claimed that it took millions of pounds off the City wage bill and enabled the club to announce a £26million boost in income for selling the marketing rights.

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    FFP is basically no use for rich clubs, all FIFA and UEFA wanted is money, pay fine go into their pocket everything fine.

    People do not complain when American owners buy clubs, take back all the profit back to their countries limited clubs spending and they called it as healthy style of management.

    Whereas Arab oil money clubs, they spent their own money, buy luxury players, fans do not need to pay a penny, I do not see any problem at all.

    It is not their problem to be rich, EPL need to control it well.

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    How the Gulf’s petrodollars lubricate the British economy
    Why it matters that money from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates weighs heavily and invisibly on British politics.




    City of gold: investment from the Middle East has transformed Londonâ?Ts skyline in recent years (Photo By )


    In the decades since the independence of Saudi Arabia in 1932 – followed by the post-colonial emergence of neighbours such as the United Arab Emirates and Qatar – Gulfpetrodollars have transformed a once sleepy region into a dynamic financial powerhouse. Last year, Abu Dhabi opened a branch of the Louvre; Qatar will host the Fifa World Cup in 2022. Even Saudi Arabia itself, the most secluded of all Gulf kingdoms, has embarked on an ambitious vision of the future with new roads, hospitals, transport links and cultural centres such as museums and cinemas.

    Britons from all walks of life have moved to the region as a result. The United Arab Emirates is currently home to around 300,000 UK citizens. British oil workers, accountants, doctors, retailers and engineers occupy all aspects of government and private sectors in the Gulf. A visit to a Qatari supermarket is to witness globalisation occurring in real time with British products such as Mars bars and Walkers crisps competing for space with basmati rice from Pakistan and mangoes from India.

    Naturally, Britain’s present-day relationship with the region is as old as empire. Throughout the Arabian peninsula, the*UK has variously acted as military bully, corporate raider, power broker and vizier. In the 1880s, wary of French encroachment from north Africa, the British forced a number of Gulf countries to sign agreements barring them from establishing relations with any other Gulf state. For much of the first half of the 20th century, the Gulf acted as a “cordon sanitaire*around India”, protecting British interests. During the Second World War, as Britain diverted food supplies away from its*colonies to feed troops in Europe and elsewhere, hundreds of Gulf nationals died as*a result.

    Britain’s role in maintaining its relationship with the Arabian peninsula has been more transactional since 1945, managing imperial decline while aggressively seizing on business opportunities and cautioning movements such as Arab pan-nationalism and the Arab Spring. If Britain has a policy in the region, it isn’t the promotion of democracy or civil society reforms, but the right to maintain arms sales, secure large infrastructure contracts and attract Gulf investment to the UK.

    It is often surprising how little British coverage of the Gulf examines just how the region’s petrodollars have subtly impacted the UK. British newspapers focus on tourists detained in jails in Dubai or human rights abuses involving domestic maids. But there is, of course, a more significant counter-effect to pursuing the causes of petrodollars. David Wearing’s deeply researched AngloArabia is an insightful examination of how money from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates weighs heavily and invisibly on British politics.

    As Wearing demonstrates, the UK’s reliance on Gulf money began decades before investors from Abu Dhabi or Riyadh expressed a financial interest in football clubs such as Manchester City or newspapers such as the Independent. By 1975, Saudi Arabia already held the equivalent in today’s prices of around £20bn worth of investment in the British economy. Much of this financing occurs discretely but makes an indelible mark on related sectors such as retail and tourism. In London’s case, this has most profoundly affected the housing market. Wearing, a teaching fellow in international relations at Royal Holloway, University of London, presents a complex study of how Gulf countries have used their sovereign wealth funds – state-owned investment funds – to win influence across all aspects of British life. According to the Sovereign Wealth Fund Institute, an organisation that monitors investments, 14 out of 78 sovereign wealth funds are managed by the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC, comprised of Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain). Their combined assets account for around 40 per cent of the value of all sovereign wealth funds.

    These funds have allowed the oil-producing bloc to invest heavily in the UK, some £35bn in the case of Qatar. Elsewhere, Abu Dhabi owns 4.9 per cent of Citigroup and Kuwait owns 5.7 per cent of Merrill Lynch. Many of these financial investments are also boosted by sizeable business portfolios that include buildings such as the Shard*and the Harrods department store. Abu Dhabi owns ExCel London; Dubai Holdings owns Travelodge. Students at the London School of Economics attend talks in the Sheikh Zayed Theatre. It is likely that anyone visiting or living in London in 2018 interacts with the Gulf on a daily basis. London’s skyline has also undergone the kind of Arabesque rejuvenation witnessed in Abu Dhabi and Dubai a decade ago.

    While British officials usually opt for a diplomatic silence when explaining the UK’s trade deals with Gulf countries, advisers occasionally betray the inner thinking of the relationship. Simon Mayall, a former Middle East adviser to the Ministry of Defence, may have spoken a little impolitically when he told a Commons select committee in 2016, “We are a values-based society. They are a values-based society. It is a different set of values, but they are increasingly globalised.”

    Although Wearing’s book reveals important research on the macro nature of Gulf finances in Britain, he has little space to explore how British politicians – and sections of the media – have failed to explain how Emirati or Qatari financing has also proven beneficial to some aspects of UK life at a time of austerity. Globalisation can be both predatory and constructive. Substantial amounts of Gulf money have helped create new businesses and aided in the rehabilitation of city centres such as Manchester and Birmingham. The UK is also seen as one of the global leaders in the Islamic finance economy and halal tourism.

    On the matter of arms sales, however, “British values” are often the first victims of realpolitik. In recent years, the British government has worked closely with the defence industry to aid Saudi Arabia in the prosecution of its war in Yemen, and successive Conservative administrations have largely remained silent on Saudi abuses there. Britain’s military reach can be seen all round the region: UK arms manufacturers are regular exhibitors at defence shows in Abu Dhabi; Gulf armies rely on American, French and British advisers to train troops and provide strategic advice. In the last decade, the Middle East and North African region – MENA – has accounted for over 50 per cent of all UK defence sales by value.

    As Wearing’s excellent analysis acknowledges, two immediate problems threaten the UK’s relationship with the Gulf. China is set to become the world’s largest oil and gas importer by 2020, and India will become the second largest by 2035. The GCC is best placed to supply both countries: Qatar already provides a third of all the gas imported by China. These dynamics will see a recalibration in the Gulf-UK relationship to one less rooted in shared history and more transactional on defence and investment.

    More substantially, a badly executed Brexit threatens to make the UK less desirable for Gulf countries seeking to diversify oil income. As Theresa May’s government prepares for an unpredictable aftershock following March 2019, this country’s assets could look less attractive to Gulf leaders who have long coveted British political and financial stability. Since the 2016 referendum, British ambassadors around the Gulf have given speeches emphasising the merits of “Global Britain”. The accuracy of that slogan – and the UK’s relationship with the monarchies of the Middle East – has yet to face its most severe stress test.*

    AngloArabia: Why Gulf Wealth*Matters to Britain
    David Wearing
    Polity, 240pp, £15.99


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...-David-Wearing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetan991 View Post
    FFP is basically no use for rich clubs, all FIFA and UEFA wanted is money, pay fine go into their pocket everything fine.

    People do not complain when American owners buy clubs, take back all the profit back to their countries limited clubs spending and they called it as healthy style of management.

    Whereas Arab oil money clubs, they spent their own money, buy luxury players, fans do not need to pay a penny, I do not see any problem at all.

    It is not their problem to be rich, EPL need to control it well.
    Arab oil owners spend their "own" money, interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    It's also understood that a number of significant salaries at City are paid by the City Football Group, the holding company that administers all the global clubs under the ownership of Abu Dhabi United Group.

    Back in November, German magazine Der Spiegel alleged that City had previously sought to circumvent UEFA Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules by secretly setting up a shell company to pay players for their image rights. They claimed that it took millions of pounds off the City wage bill and enabled the club to announce a £26million boost in income for selling the marketing rights.
    Right, so Der Spiegel are alleging what you are alleging. It would be interesting to have some evidence - I'm sure there are many people who would be keen to see this properly exposed. We've also recently had the pandora papers investigation released which should help with identifying offshore account activity.

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    I don't see how United's wage bill is lower when they have 7 players that earn more than Van Dijk and Ronaldo earns well over double what Van Dijk gets

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    It’s that damned data analytics team I tells ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetan991 View Post
    FFP is basically no use for rich clubs, all FIFA and UEFA wanted is money, pay fine go into their pocket everything fine.

    People do not complain when American owners buy clubs, take back all the profit back to their countries limited clubs spending and they called it as healthy style of management.

    Whereas Arab oil money clubs, they spent their own money, buy luxury players, fans do not need to pay a penny, I do not see any problem at all.

    It is not their problem to be rich, EPL need to control it well.
    Did you copy and paste this straight out of the Newcastle thread on red cafe or post the exact same post on both forums?

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