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Thread: Match Thread: EFL Cup 2nd leg first: Liverpool v Arsenal

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernboy View Post
    Every Liverpool fan on the planet knew how things were going to pan out when Arsenal went down to ten men. It's happened before with Salah and Mané in the team. We just lose concentration and become impatient. I appreciate that it's difficult against a low block but we need to be smarter.

    Minamino is no where near the player we thought we were buying. Thankfully it was a relatively cheap experiment.

    Milner actually looked his age last night. I love the guy but I think it's time for him to move on.

    Robertson's corner at the death was right up there with Aspas. His delivery was average/shocking all evening, only when Williams came on did we get dangerous balls into the box.

    The second leg will be interesting. Arsenal, obviously need to go for it, which should allow us a bit more space. Whether we can use that to our advantage is another matter.
    Haha, Aspas! That corner will never fail to make me laugh.
    Agree on your last bit, despite a purely brutal performance 0-0 is probably just as good for us as them.

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    Different gravy from the Arse last night. Never seen a so called big club shut up so quickly! Big Sam and The Owl would have been proud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Look - we created loads of chances and Ramsey played a blinder.

    Last season it was Virgil and a once in a lifetime defensive crisis (come on fellas) - or was it BCD, this season it seems to be Mo or a few midfield injuries or Virgil aint what he was.

    The fact is the squad has been under managed decline since winning. Number 6.

    Take your hats off to them for winning the title in 2020 in a hurry before the magic ran out. They were done before the lockdown and pandemic break.

    Without heavy investment we are not getting back to that level even with Klopp.

    If we are to win the CL we will need some more miracle moments like 2019. We will need to avoid a good number of teams too.

    This Carabao cup represents the best chance we have of wining a bean since 2020. It is a sad state of affairs when you look at where we were just 3 summers ago.

    A chronic lack of ambition OR a chronic lack of attention (too busy wanting to furlough staff to protect against the pandemic - but also chasing monopolistic money making opportunities Project Big Picture - ESL - and then seemingly having the cash to splash on Buying up more Sports clubs - Pittsburgh Penguins) OR both from those at the top has resulted in our rivals leapfrogging us with ease.

    FSG did their research. Few realise that Manchester United’s record profit came in 2019. For behemoth clubs like them and us - prime targets for US owners, it is leaning on that HUGE fan base that attracts them. Winning is simply something that puts a gloss over the top. It isn’t actually needed and it often comes at higher cost than is wanted.

    The sweet spot for Arsenal, Liverpool and United, is In being in the mix as much as possible. Getting into the CL is of huge importance BUT beyond that the ambition is the money… the revenue from TV, from sponsorship, from merchandise.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49808790

    It’s a different kind of cancer on the sport to the one brought in from the gulf , but it is no more benign and far worse for the individual clubs they own.
    How do you explain Chelseas faltering league campaign this year without mentioning their injuries ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Look - we created loads of chances and Ramsey played a blinder.

    Last season it was Virgil and a once in a lifetime defensive crisis (come on fellas) - or was it BCD, this season it seems to be Mo or a few midfield injuries or Virgil aint what he was.

    The fact is the squad has been under managed decline since winning. Number 6.

    Take your hats off to them for winning the title in 2020 in a hurry before the magic ran out. They were done before the lockdown and pandemic break.

    Without heavy investment we are not getting back to that level even with Klopp.

    If we are to win the CL we will need some more miracle moments like 2019. We will need to avoid a good number of teams too.

    This Carabao cup represents the best chance we have of wining a bean since 2020. It is a sad state of affairs when you look at where we were just 3 summers ago.

    A chronic lack of ambition OR a chronic lack of attention (too busy wanting to furlough staff to protect against the pandemic - but also chasing monopolistic money making opportunities Project Big Picture - ESL - and then seemingly having the cash to splash on Buying up more Sports clubs - Pittsburgh Penguins) OR both from those at the top has resulted in our rivals leapfrogging us with ease.

    FSG did their research. Few realise that Manchester United’s record profit came in 2019. For behemoth clubs like them and us - prime targets for US owners, it is leaning on that HUGE fan base that attracts them. Winning is simply something that puts a gloss over the top. It isn’t actually needed and it often comes at higher cost than is wanted.

    The sweet spot for Arsenal, Liverpool and United, is In being in the mix as much as possible. Getting into the CL is of huge importance BUT beyond that the ambition is the money… the revenue from TV, from sponsorship, from merchandise.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49808790

    It’s a different kind of cancer on the sport to the one brought in from the gulf , but it is no more benign and far worse for the individual clubs they own.
    We could well end up with 80-90(ish) pts this season.

    Which would make our last 4 season's points totals 97, 99, 69 and 85(ish). Which is the outlier season in that run?

    We've been beaten twice all season and we're still in all 3 cup competitions. We've just pissed the so called 'group of death' in the Champions League. Yet the majority of the forum want to tear it all down and start again.

    We've gone through every player in the squad not being good enough at some point over the last few years. The manager getting pelters for not changing the way he plays etc.

    Have we become a little entitled over the last few years?
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    It's interesting how the vocal critics turn on the owners when things aren't going to plan and credit the manager when they are going well. Also people have different takes on things based on their own personalities and biases;

    Nineteenx says that the problem is that the owners don't understand football as they are American. He also seems to think Klopp doesn't understand football as well as he does.

    Steveo attributes the deficiency to the owners running the club as a business, as if that was self-evidently a corruption. He prefers the oligarchs who 'love' football and who treat the club to their own charity. That seems to be the only way forward for him. The fact that they have to be business minded elsewhere to raise the funds is no slight on them it seems. The other fact that their wealth is stolen from the rightful inheritors of the oil and gas resources and then frittered away on over-paid prima donnas in a foreign country doesn't register as a criticism with him either.

    He also joins in the more common cynicism induldged in by Kev and a few others that the Yanks are just stealing and pilfering our wealth, in the form of the club as a resource which they consistently drain and run down.

    This is a season where we could still win the EFL cup, the FA cup, the Champions league and the League itself and yet we are already holding a moratorium. That doesn't seem like support to me. Plus, the only teams that could really beat us to those titles are the oligarch clubs, who everyone else hates for their unjust distortion of footballing resources. Yet it's all the Yanks fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    We could well end up with 80-90(ish) pts this season.

    Which would make our last 4 season's points totals 97, 99, 69 and 85(ish). Which is the outlier season in that run?

    We've been beaten twice all season and we're still in all 3 cup competitions. We've just pissed the so called 'group of death' in the Champions League. Yet the majority of the forum want to tear it all down and start again.

    We've gone through every player in the squad not being good enough at some point over the last few years. The manager getting pelters for not changing the way he plays etc.

    Have we become a little entitled over the last few years?
    I couldn't agree more

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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    We could well end up with 80-90(ish) pts this season.

    Which would make our last 4 season's points totals 97, 99, 69 and 85(ish). Which is the outlier season in that run?

    We've been beaten twice all season and we're still in all 3 cup competitions. We've just pissed the so called 'group of death' in the Champions League. Yet the majority of the forum want to tear it all down and start again.

    We've gone through every player in the squad not being good enough at some point over the last few years. The manager getting pelters for not changing the way he plays etc.

    Have we become a little entitled over the last few years?
    All good points. I don't think we've become entitled though, I think most are just annoyed at the lack of squad bolstering which is undoubtedly required. We are involved in those competitions but personally I'd say we are unlikely to win any aside from the EFL.
    The title us all but gone but very few of any expected us to win it.
    Theres just a few elements that have now become issues that are dogging us but they have been that way for some time now, especially the issues with midfield. If there had been some form of movement on that in the last 3 years we could argue but there hasn't aside from Thiago and to say he's been a disappointment is an understatement.

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    Entitled? Why not? 3 decades of not being able to compete on a regular basis. We’ve tasted success and it’s beautiful. Why would any fan want to only compete for a top four place and not relive days of old when we were always in contention for a trophy or too?

    We have a chance to compete on all front if we invest properly in the squad whilst we have a decent manager at the helm, yet we choose to accept mediocrity and fighting for a top four finish.

    Let’s be honest, our games this season, bar a few, we’ve been lucky to win. We’ve not held on when winning, but that seems ok for some.

    Everyone has to take blame, from the top down to the the dinner ladies in my opinion.

    You’re kidding yourself if you think our squad is good enough and it pisses me off when other fans act like “top reds” and state we’re not backing the team/manager.

    Jozza, stop living in the past mate. We’ve chalked this season already. I’m personally talking about our future, ageing players, and a lack of quality.

    Someone mentioned Tsimikas, you do realise he was bought a while back and didn’t play for us at all and just a back up. (Great back up in my opinion)

    Salah will probably leave due to a lack of ambition from the club taking us forward wanting to win everything they can.

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    I think getting our knickers In a twist over a 0-0 first leg semi final, is a bit much .
    Chill the fuck out lads !!

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    It's the carling bloody cup.

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