Ten (Cafe) Hag's at the wheel

[Steveo]

The area around the ground is a total disgrace - even though it is better than it was - BUT club has to take a good part of the blame for that.

The stadium looks much more impressive in height from the park when you can only see the 2 new stands which are Almost the same height - yet somehow STILL don’t match up with each other? The view from Walton Breck is alarming. Looks like a third rate stadia - The Kop was always deep rather than high but the lack of love is astounding, Corrugated iron. Tin pot is a comment I hear regularly from opposing fans who are beyond underwhelmed when they see it first time.


And a stadium is so much more than just seats - a means to a view on a sporting event. One could say the same about any building.

The home of the nations greatest club - from most angles looks like a dogs dinner AND when you consider that the very ownership itself is rooted in the need to bring the stadium into the 21st century - I urge anyone to go and sit in the Centenery or on the Kop - and look yourself in the mirror and say that is fit for purpose.

The fleecing of fans to cram into half a seat is a joke. You want the money… then provide the service. These Yanks want US Prices and Victorian services for the masses - to facilitate 1st class accommodation for the wealthy day tripper. It’s why Jurgen complained about the New Main stand and the prawn sandwich bridge I myself was a part of.

These are killing the game and they don’t even have the decency to provide an architectural monument to what the club once was. They are taking the piss and sadly so many scousers are are too Star Spangled and star struck to even notice. Love the city - the passion and the talent of so many of its people - but IF we want to be brutally candid - it isn’t home to that many of the brightest.

Shame on the greedy fuckers - they did their homework

[ianlfc]

I like the fact teams now fear Anfield. Well they did while Jurgen was here and hopefully that continues.
My fear of us moving to a shiny new stadium is teams will relish the thought of playing their and we lose the famous Anfield atmosphere which isn't a myth. Especially in big games.

[Steveo]

The noise isn’t generated by the stands at L4 Ian. It was the home of the BS originally - for those who want to get on the historical tip.

Weren’t you in Madrid? Ask anyone who was at the Ataturk. The Liverpool sound is made by the people. The owners couldn’t give a flying fuck about them.

So many Liverpool fans consistently get this completely the wrong way round. Most football fans are easy victims of the sound bite. But besides all that - there is no justifiable reason why after 14 years we have a stadium that still has 2 poorly equipped stands and looks such a disjointed mess.

Oh - and Terms like “shiny new” are consistently trotted out by the unthinking, for what else are our new stands but shiny and new? Yes they are trying their best to look more established than they are with their faux red brick and cheap as chips metalwork but that’s what they are.

Liverpool FC needed a much bigger and better stadium - it still does.

[Creator Supremes]

What we don't need is to go to their ground in our 3rd PL game of the season and defend like muppets again. That happened 2 years ago to give Tent Peg a massive boost after losing his first two. Then the media and some of their support got to bang on about their form for a few months. Come on Arne, let's put em back in their slot. Revenge for the PL and cup games in the spring

[CCTV]

The area around the ground is a total disgrace - even though it is better than it was - BUT club has to take a good part of the blame for that.

The stadium looks much more impressive in height from the park when you can only see the 2 new stands which are Almost the same height - yet somehow STILL don’t match up with each other? The view from Walton Breck is alarming. Looks like a third rate stadia - The Kop was always deep rather than high but the lack of love is astounding, Corrugated iron. Tin pot is a comment I hear regularly from opposing fans who are beyond underwhelmed when they see it first time.


And a stadium is so much more than just seats - a means to a view on a sporting event. One could say the same about any building.

The home of the nations greatest club - from most angles looks like a dogs dinner AND when you consider that the very ownership itself is rooted in the need to bring the stadium into the 21st century - I urge anyone to go and sit in the Centenery or on the Kop - and look yourself in the mirror and say that is fit for purpose.

The fleecing of fans to cram into half a seat is a joke. You want the money… then provide the service. These Yanks want US Prices and Victorian services for the masses - to facilitate 1st class accommodation for the wealthy day tripper. It’s why Jurgen complained about the New Main stand and the prawn sandwich bridge I myself was a part of.

These are killing the game and they don’t even have the decency to provide an architectural monument to what the club once was. They are taking the piss and sadly so many scousers are are too Star Spangled and star struck to even notice. Love the city - the passion and the talent of so many of its people - but IF we want to be brutally candid - it isn’t home to that many of the brightest.

Shame on the greedy fuckers - they did their homework

Guess over here the games are about viewing. Are those 2 ends not redeveloped parts ? Stadiums over here aren't top top like you'd see elsewhere as you put it.
Croke park is a bit of a monstrosity in the area and like Anfield cannot build up an end to have the bowl effect. But it has a lot of seats and doesn't cause issues for players on the pitch.
The newly built aviva stadium is a bit harsh, again one end is very small, even smaller than hill 16 in croker, and is visually distracting/annoying. Though the exterior finish is raved about by people who like the styling of it I suppose.
I think in time the club will find a way to mirror the redeveloped parts. You'll still be perturbed by the differing heights but it may not be as much of an eye sore with stands the same height as those opposite them. If that makes sense.

[miller0863]

Well the two new stands are a massive improvement on what they replaced.

Provided they improve the Kop and the next 3 year and the Kenny Dalglish within 6 years we should be ok

The old ground was pretty shocking to be fair

[Steveo]

100% - but they have stated there is no intention to do either.

Even if there is no way to increase capacity - they could and should increase the roofline of the SKD to match the new stands - same with the Kop - going Steeper & increasing the size of the tier/tiers. More room and a hugely more aesthetic ground.

This is what I always expected from the agreement to “redevelop” Anfield.

You don’t redevelop a house buy simply increasing the size of a few bedrooms or the Kitchen - that’s an extension. A redevelopment is a total redesign and re build of the entire structure. That is what was needed and agreed upon. After 14 years - 50% of that hasn’t been done and they have stated they have no intention to do so.

That’s shocking.

[Martyboy]

Watched this a year ago by KC...makes sense,good vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEj0HvfacGo

This one doesn't sound so promising according to KC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwwXdIGSEEQ

[CCTV]

100% - but they have stated there is no intention to do either.

Even if there is no way to increase capacity - they could and should increase the roofline of the SKD to match the new stands - same with the Kop - going Steeper & increasing the size of the tier/tiers. More room and a hugely more aesthetic ground.

This is what I always expected from the agreement to “redevelop” Anfield.

You don’t redevelop a house buy simply increasing the size of a few bedrooms or the Kitchen - that’s an extension. A redevelopment is a total redesign and re build of the entire structure. That is what was needed and agreed upon. After 14 years - 50% of that hasn’t been done and they have stated they have no intention to do so.

That’s shocking.

I'm not sure why you put so much faith in public utterances and positions. Especially when you have prejudiced skepticism about the yanks.
I mean do we need go back over Klopp statements, who you've described as a throughly decent man in contrast to jwh.

I don't know the area, or matters of fact but I'll post a few comments from martys videos below.

Watched this a year ago by KC...makes sense,good vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEj0HvfacGo

This one doesn't sound so promising according to KC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwwXdIGSEEQ

First video comments:
"The answer to expanding capacity on the Kop is simple. In Germany, the safe standing areas allow 1.8 standing places per every seat. If legislation was passed allowing this, the Kop capacity could be increased from 12850 to 23130 without any major structural changes, increasing Anfield to around 72000 capacity and restoring the Kop to standing AND the highest capacity stand. A similar conversion of the lower tier of the Anfield Road end would also add another 5000 to the capacity, lifting Anfield to close to 80000 without any more major structural changes."

"If I had a choice between the Kenny and the kop for a stage 3 I'd go for the Kenny all day more capacity and the stadium won't look odd, having said that I don't live on them back houses. Kop you could go standing in certain parts like park head, nice work again pal and bringing up discussions 👍"

From what you've said before, it would seem like there are some planning issues like the underground/through stadium road, and that advised recapacity of the kop were it standing in itself adds massive capacity.

The second video:
"I believe further expansion would require public transport and other infrastructure to be improved first. If the SKDS is redeveloped I would expect a similar stand to the new main stand. Would probably require the purchase or at least one row of houses but they managed to get that done for the main stand so it is possible."

"The KDS will be expanded. LFC own over 60% of those houses directly behind the stand now. Once they squire 100% then the plans will move forward. It will happen, but it’s a waiting game. AR was as well. It’s the Kop that’s the unlikely stand that may not get expanded, and not many will kind that as the Kop has a special place in Football as a whole."

I'd suggest, there's some less negative outlooks than you're own in these 4 comments.

And plenty of good reasons why the club would make a public position of no more expansion, a kind of leveraging their position.

On the local council, on the PL/state re safe standing, and then waiting on houses on that row allegedly needed to expand.

[Steveo]

Ok so you don’t know the area and are likely to have never witnessed a full house at Anfield or rival grounds - yet despite the club issuing clear statements that no further development is to take place you choose to use Youtube comments to defend the owners?

Are you related to Henry or Werner by any chance? Some long lost Irish Boston connection?

I ask because you seem to have the time to defend them at every turn - even when there is nothing to point to for the defence.

Every element of improvement has been paid for by the club - not the owners. The money is out of that which could have gone into the team. THIs is why we have such underwhelming improvements and also why we have to pay back the loans so fast. As anyone knows the bar was already so low. Why no attempt to look into ways to improve the other stands barely fit for purpose?

The answers are simple. They don’t want to spend a penny of their own on a franchise thousands of miles away.

So again - I am at a loss as to why anyone who isn’t from Liverpool or connected to the city - who has barely visited the place and who by their own admission hasn’t even seen all 4 sides of the ground would want to defend the lack of impetus and willing to make Anfield and the surrounding area befitting the most successful club in the land.