Ten (Cafe) Hag's at the wheel

[Steveo]

Seriously,

I was watching the bees before many of you were likely born. My local club for most of my childhood. They won’t be around in the top flight for long - but I am so glad they are here today.

[Steveo]

Brentford are another club transformed by an excellent ownership model

They are gonna win the league..

[Taksin]

Are you aware of the work done by the new owner, Steveo? It’s impressive

Saved them from financial ruin - they were in league 2 with crowds of 4,000. Took out a loan of £700,000.

Then instigated a ‘new model’ based on statistical analysis and recruitment, based on the Oakland Athletics baseball analytics. Sound familiar? Cleared out the old guard and stuck to his guns. Can’t argue with his success.

[Steveo]

Oh no - you clearly know more about my local club than I do.


Baseball is the future.



I had higher hopes for you.

Seriously. You seem a decent fellow but hopelessly out of your depth in this sport. Football isn’t business. One day you will realise. Until then - keep dancing,

[Taksin]

Oh no - you clearly know more about my local club than I do.


Baseball is the future.



I had higher hopes for you.

Seriously. You seem a decent fellow but hopelessly out of your depth in this sport. Football isn’t business. One day you will realise. Until then - keep dancing,

If you could stick to using facts and reasoning we might all be able to make an informed judgement about who’s out of their depth rather than taking your word for it.

I don’t need to be a boyhood fan of Brentford to know something about what’s been happening there. Have I said anything untrue above?

Just because you know everything about football doesn’t mean you can’t have a conversation about it

[Steveo]

All your arguments go straight down the crapper imo mate. If we for even one single solitary second imagine Klopp takes over after Whisky nose - or even. Van Gaal - maybe you are the only one who believes we get a look in.

It really isn’t the ownership that is the key. Unless you have a sugar daddy like Roman with passion and a blank cheque to get the best manager into the hot seat or the Sheik to do the same and buy and buy and buy until they monopolise the market.

That is the only scenario where the owners are so key at the top end. For mortals - those without the limitless funds / what matters is the manager. The big boss. The big cheese - head Honcho.

We all know it and if we don’t - we know nothing.


Where were we before Klopp?

Answer - nowhere. Like a line from one of the best films ever made. We “had a one-way ticket to Palookaville”

[Steveo]

And here is an interesting list of managers who are brilliant at picking great owners

https://sportsbrowser.net/most-succe...ball-managers/

[Taksin]

You don’t have to convince me there are good managers. I have never denied it. In case you’re confused, I am a fan of Jurgen Klopp.

You yourself have admitted owners can make a difference (if they conform to your narrow idea of what’s needed)

But how do you explain Benham’s success at both Brentford and Midtjylland? It’s an interesting case do you not agree?

And you have swerved Gary Neville’s interesting comments that you yourself posted. Why, you seem to think he was claiming Klopp is what’s holding us together when in fact he said nothing of the sort. He blamed the owners.

You can keep imagining Klopp at United and imagining what would have happened but he is not there - he is at LFC. If you want to believe that was a mere fluke, you can keep doing it to your hearts content and keep feeling sorry for me. But Neville disagrees with you - he thinks our club has it’s act together. The business is well run and that’s why we are a success.

It’s one more piece of support for my basic viewpoint and one more doubt for your overconfident assertions. United fans are currently protesting the owners not the manager. They can see that there are bigger problems than the choice of manager

[Taksin]

From 2015

“Midtjylland are not yet on the radar of most English football fans, but Benham increasingly is. The 47-year‑old Brentford owner made millions at his company, Smartodds, using mathematical models to predict football results and believes the figures can also provide a vital edge in the transfer market and on the pitch. Brentford’s former management team, Mark Warburton and David Weir, did not buy into that theory. Midtjylland, however, were more amenable – and, arguably, successful.”

“The club’s chairman, Rasmus Ankersen, describes what has happened since Benham invested £6.2m last July as “a fairytale”. But the introduction of specialist kicking coaches, in-game statistics for half-time team talks and the use of analytics for set pieces is Midtjylland’s new reality. As their Denmark defender Erik Sviatchenko puts it: “Matthew is the x-factor. His money is hugely important. But his use of statistics and mathematics is the extra thing that gives us the advantage. It is like Moneyball.”

Matthew Benham took a controlling interest in FC Midtjylland in July 2014

But you know all this, Brentford are your boyhood club

[justme]

Its easy for Brentford to become stable in a good way.. But its different with Man-united they are under constant pressure to perform and they can't handle it on the field or off it. They are expected to win.. everyone knows right now they aint winning the league for at least another 3 seasons.