Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[Steveo]

The asking price isn't the problem it's just unlikely that the player wants the move. Same result though

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[jozza800]

Fair enough

But you seem to be suggesting that recruitment is more of a deciding factor now than it was then when Rafa was here - and I see that as wrong - based on the players that were here when Klopp arrived certainly vs what Rafa inherited and the players signed by Rafa - certainly in that 2009 side compared to the ones we have now.

Hand Rafa anything like the Coutinho dosh and I am sure the squad he builds onto that superb 13- 14 players is at the very least a match for the best we had under Jurgen - as a group of players.

Beyond that we are talking about an elite manager vs a once in a lifetime manager. Klopp is a total one off and IMO did things here that Whisky nose - Pep and Rafa would not be able to do with the same tools.

On the sale of Coutts and subsequent purchase of Virg and Allison - and any parallel with that of Crouch and Bellamy has totally lost me I'm afraid - Do not get the point.

My memory is getting worse! I had it in my head that Rafa sold Nando to get Crouch and Bellemy in, but it was obviously the other way round.

I do think the recruitment has massively improved though. As amazing as Jurgen was/is you just cant roll the turd in glitter and have it stick for as long as it has.

That video I posted earlier on about the data guy actually has some interesting points about Jurgen buying into the process, as it was a similar model to how the German clubs operate (Sporting Directors etc), whereas Brendan wanted to run th eclub as 'the' mangager in the traditional sense.

The one stipulation Jurgen had was he had final say on who was brought in and who was sold.

[teesred]

"Martin Zubimendi will make his final decision THIS WEEKEND.

Liverpool are willing to pay his release clause, whereas Real Sociedad have offered him a new contract." - [@mitxelgonzalez]

Stinks of his agent playing a blinder for his client (which is their job, but still) - he will either get to join us and get an improved contract, or stay at Socieded and get an improved contract.

I guess he must be thinking about it which means it's not over. I think they'd have moved on already if there was no chance.
To be truthful if he turns the move down because of things other than money then fair play to him. There's more to life than that and if he takes the move when he's not really that into it- not sure I want us signing a player like that. It won't end well if so.

[Insidious]

I guess he must be thinking about it which means it's not over. I think they'd have moved on already if there was no chance.
To be truthful if he turns the move down because of things other than money then fair play to him. There's more to life than that and if he takes the move when he's not really that into it- not sure I want us signing a player like that. It won't end well if so.

Absolutely tees - if he takes time to reflect and absolutely can't take his Heart away from his homeland, it's to be respected.

As much as I would desperately love him here, we want him here in a way where he falls in love with the squad and the city and is happy - there'd be nothing worse for him or for us than sitting here in a year's time dealing with "homesick Zubimendi to leave Liverpool" stories.

[jozza800]

Jurgen always said he only wanted players that wanted to be here.

[Steveo]

My memory is getting worse! I had it in my head that Rafa sold Nando to get Crouch and Bellemy in, but it was obviously the other way round.

I do think the recruitment has massively improved though. As amazing as Jurgen was/is you just cant roll the turd in glitter and have it stick for as long as it has.

That video I posted earlier on about the data guy actually has some interesting points about Jurgen buying into the process, as it was a similar model to how the German clubs operate (Sporting Directors etc), whereas Brendan wanted to run th eclub as 'the' mangager in the traditional sense.

The one stipulation Jurgen had was he had final say on who was brought in and who was sold.

Recruitment ALWAYS looks better when you have the best manager on the planet in situ. As does bringing young players through. See Ferguson. Here's a list with my musings:


Andy Robertson - goes to United and disappears imo.
Trent - never makes it into first team Premier league football imo. where to play him? Will caveat this with - more than good enough but so many talents like this don't make it when they have such clear deficiencies in certain areas. See how devastated he was with Klopps last game - he knows how close he came to not making it
Henderson is sold and gone I imagine to a mid table side
Milner is the player City let go
Wijnaldum is somewhere between what he was at PSG and Newcastle
Salah most likely between Chelsea and Roma
Mane - maybe reaches the elite level as he had a natural inner. drive and had all the tools
Bobby - doesn't come close to one of the most coveted number 9's in world football

Virgil WC but again does he reach that level without Jurgen - possibly
Ditto Alisson WC


That wonderful squad people remember was infinitely better than the sum of the parts. They were managed and inspired to 'believe". Go back and see how amazing Lallana was for Klopp - he never came close to that for anyone else before or since. They believed they could do anything. Klopp rinsed evry last drop out of every last one of them.

This is not recruitment - this is management

Of that list

Virgil - Alisson - Mo - Mane & Bobby were all WC.. That is a huge bonus and a direct result of Jurgen Klopp and the rest who were way way below that level performed out of this world. Robbo and Trent knocking on the door for a good stretch.

The squad BECAME superb - the players all improving hugely to the point where players like Hendo and Milner were able to be key components in winning the big prizes. That doesn'T happen with any other manager. Pep wouldn't even use them never-mind get them there.


Here we are post Jurgen and HOPEFULLY Slot can benefit from whatever Jurgen instilled in the club and the core group. Maybe he can even get us to the next level - which I do not believe Klopp ever quite attained. But even IF he does - it will be because someone laid that foundation... Klopp did that - recruiters played a part yes BUT to overplay their hand is unwise imo.

[jozza800]

They HAVE to have the ability for any of what was achieved for that period of time. I'm not saying they were all world class, I mean as much as I loved Henderson as a player, I dont think there would be many (maybe 19x aside) would ever class him as World Class.

3 x 90+ seasons, 3 European Cup finals, and 3 domestic cups.

It's just not possible with bang average players. You cant run a club on belief alone, not for a sustained period.

You might eek out a title challenge or a cup or two.

[Steveo]

They HAVE to have the ability for any of what was achieved for that period of time. I'm not saying they were all world class, I mean as much as I loved Henderson as a player, I dont think there would be many (maybe 19x aside) would ever class him as World Class.

3 x 90+ seasons, 3 European Cup finals, and 3 domestic cups.

It's just not possible with bang average players. You cant run a club on belief alone, not for a sustained period.

You might eek out a title challenge or a cup or two.

WHO said they were bang average..? there you go AGAIN. Klopp inherited "bang average". Salah and Bobby and Mane are never bang average. Virgil was WC when we signed him so was Alisson. Shaqiri top class though like Thiago not a player to rely on fitness wise. Oxlade not bang average either though another with injury concerns - not close to WC but very capable player. Naby Keita - had WC potential even. Nobody is saying these players were bang average. literally nobody...

BUT Salah Mane and Bobby were not WC when signed - they became that HERE under Jurgen.. They were the spearhead and much needed after losing Coutts

[miller0863]

Jurgen always said he only wanted players that wanted to be here.

This.

He said if you had to “persuade” a player to join, he wasn’t the player for us.

[miller0863]

Links to a Wharton swoop.

Wouldn’t be averse to that