Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[Taksin]

I have no idea wether we actually wanted to buy Tchoumeni so I can only take your speculation half seriously. The evidence suggests that if we bought him, we wouldn't buy Nuñez. Maybe Mané's transfer request came after the Tchoumeni move - I don't know. There's an awful lot that you and I don't know.

In the above passage, Klopp says he loves these players to bits or something like that. I wonder if that is a part of the problem. He can say to the owners - we have 9 midfielders and I love them all to bits. That maybe the truth of what happened. I don't know, you don't know. Maybe if he said, 3 of them I don't love any more - then there'd be a different strategy.

He does say above that it is the injury situation that changes how the midfield looks and that if we buy someone then there's a different problem in a few weeks when players start coming back. That is a part of how the planning is done. They aren't playing fantasy football in the way that this forum is.

Also, over the last ten years, Everton have spent more money net on transfers than us. Clearly we are doing something right that they are not doing. It isn't to do with net spend or debt structuring or whatever

[CCTV]

I have no idea wether we actually wanted to buy Tchoumeni so I can only take your speculation half seriously. The evidence suggests that if we bought him, we wouldn't buy Nuñez. Maybe Mané's transfer request came after the Tchoumeni move - I don't know. There's an awful lot that you and I don't know.

In the above passage, Klopp says he loves these players to bits or something like that. I wonder if that is a part of the problem. He can say to the owners - we have 9 midfielders and I love them all to bits. That maybe the truth of what happened. I don't know, you don't know. Maybe if he said, 3 of them I don't love any more - then there'd be a different strategy.

He does say above that it is the injury situation that changes how the midfield looks and that if we buy someone then there's a different problem in a few weeks when players start coming back. That is a part of how the planning is done. They aren't playing fantasy football in the way that this forum is.

Also, over the last ten years, Everton have spent more money net on transfers than us. Clearly we are doing something right that they are not doing. It isn't to do with net spend or debt structuring or whatever

I apply a critical lens to public utterances, and I've said as much in previous posts.
Klopps brilliant at PR imo, but it doesn't mean he's totally honest. Often it requires the opposite.

The speculation around Touchy and Bellingham, comes form the trusted journos.
I'd agree with you, their words aren't entirely reliable either but they do seem to identify a small enough pool of players, and the players we've signed often sit in that group.
Klopp himself announced ward as his no1 the week before Alisson arrived. Likely a negotiation strategy.
The club issued an apology over VVD and coming into that January people referred to their word, as why we wouldn't sign VVD.

Like arsenal signing a centreforward, with ourselves the same issue has been raised with midfield. With ageing players and lads running out of contract next summer, it is largely accepted as the area that needs work most.

The forum has identified the high rates of injury within the midfield. Which putting favouritism aside, the issue of love, is a factual based argument.
With respect to the forum you see, I'd suggest in this instance the forum is a more honest and accurate assessor.

The net spend and wages, I've probably argued most against it in general, and earliest on the forum.
With that in hand, I think you can get into the details at lfc and see where the current failures in squad management and turnover are occurring.

[Kev0909]

Better you do, more money we earn too remember.....

Literally EVERYONE knows about are midfield issues, mates in pub always say need to sort midfield etc

It can't be that fucking hard to spend a bit of money for once, in a few years at this rate we'll be fighting for 4th/5th place

[jozza800]

I like the way we've gone about our business over the last few years.

We have a good midfield if everyone is fit...

But they're not.

It's sheer lunacy to expect Naby/Ox and (unfortunately) Thiago and to a lesser extent Henderson to be relied upon throught the season.

I am genuinely surprised that Ox hasn't been moved on and somone more robust brought in.

I will be stunned if we dont bring someone else in before the wondow closes. I can see us shifting Naby.

[jozza800]

There must have been money for a midfielder , it was well known we were in for Tchouameni. Or did we splurge all of that budget and more on Nunez.

Do we genuinely think that FSG wouldn't spend the money on a midfielder if Klopp wanted one?

[Kev0909]

Do we genuinely think that FSG wouldn't spend the money on a midfielder if Klopp wanted one?

As a manager why wouldn't you ? Strange.

Especially as half of them aren't good enough and half aren't reliable

[Steveo]

Do we genuinely think that FSG wouldn't spend the money on a midfielder if Klopp wanted one?

It's pretty clear from the manager than he cannot decide when to buy. He has said that himself just now and before in January 2021. Does anyone think he telling fibs?

Any ideas as to why he brings it up in the middle of transfer windows where we seem to be crying out for a player? Is it just coincidence that UBER owner-friendly Jurgen chooses these moments to be a little less Pro FSG in the media?

[Kev0909]

To be fair stevo we did sign Ben davies when we had a CB crisis....

(lol)

[Steveo]

Some more interesting stats people can choose to ignore if they wish. Looking at Sportrac these are the numbers

Salaries

Liverpool FC 2017/18 - £86,824,000
Liverpool FC 2018/19 - £122,980,000
Liverpool FC 2019/20 - £128,400,000
Liverpool FC 2020/21 - £133,374,000
Liverpool FC 2021/22 - £137,274,000
Liverpool FC 2022/23 - £153,740,000

£762.000,000


Arsenal FC 2017/18 - £122,983,273
Arsenal FC 2018/19 - £131,745,273
Arsenal FC 2019/20 - £115,410,273
Arsenal FC 2020/21 - £128,779,273
Arsenal FC 2021/22 - £93,961,273
Arsenal FC 2022/23 - £102,584,000


£695,00,00


So going by sportrac - we have spent £67,000,000 more over the 6 years on salaries and £228,000,000. less on the net spend. I will ignore the 2017/ summer spend as both clubs pocketed around £10,000,000.

So £161,000,000 less spent on those 2 expenses combined yet look at the difference in achievement.. Those data analysts must be fooking spectacular..

FYI capology puts Arsenal ahead on salaries too.. It would mean we have payed out around £230,000,000 less - eek


Salaries
Arsenal 2017/18. £158,256,000
Arsenal 2018/19. £135,360,000
Arsenal 2019/20. £118,540,000
Arsenal 2020/21. £147,450,000
Arsenal 2021/22. £114,370,000
Arsenal 2021/22. £103,100,000

Total £776,000,000



Salaries
Liverpool 2017/18. £95,673,000
Liverpool 2018/19. £127,460,000
Liverpool 2019/20. £114,870,000
Liverpool 2020/21. £130,920,000
Liverpool 2021/22. £139,992,000
Liverpool 2021/22. £146,982,000

Total £775.500.00

[Steveo]

To be fair stevo we did sign Ben davies when we had a CB crisis....

(lol)

noted... apologies..