General transfer thread (everything not LFC) 22/23

[jozza800]

Even Ronnie has seen the iceberg

Well sure he has, he trains with Maguire every day.

[Insidious]

Even Ronnie has seen the iceberg

I would love to know (pretty impossible to answer as football has so many phases prior to a goal) how much his lack of pressing and the lack of effort from some others effects their game - in an actually quantifiable, percentage sort of a way.

They conceded 57 goals last season - only conceded 29 the season before - I know we drubbed them twice but that is a stark difference - practically double.

As much as Ronaldo scores, he "costs" the team as well. That massive contrast isn't solely his fault of course but it will be intriguing to see if the team benefits via his absence, even though his goal-scoring output would be missed if he leaves.

[Steveo]

Lost or drew every game he missed. They would have had 10/15 points less without him imo. They had one of the best strikers in the world (yes still) and still stank to high heaven.

Carried them in the CL too.

[Steveo]

Worse still for them.. in the 5 league games he missed they amassed a grand total of 2 points… 2! That is flat out relegation form.

If only..

They were a kind of Jekyll and Hyde team with him and just utter putrid without him. Looked like us under Brendan at the end of 2014/15 and before Jurgen stepped in.

[justme]

Problem is with Ronaldo is the fact Man-united cant press they leave to much space behind and they cant drop off. He aint got the legs to run on the counter.
How many games did they lose with him in the 11? thats also got to be asked. Its the same with coutinho. good player but the win ratio with him in 11 isn't great.
for what its worth i hope they Keep Ronaldo.

[Steveo]

2 points from 5 league games he missed. Can anyone explain how Ronaldo is responsible for that? Was his stand in also not pressing.

And pressing - is it all that matters?

[Steveo]

Played 30 games and United made 49 points.

Roughly 5 from 3

Projected 64 points.

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Missed 5 games and United made 2 points.

Roughly 2 from 5

Projected generously 20-25 points. = Norwich City..

I know this is all BS by this is the kinda shite that gets used in data analysis. Less rudimentary I know but essentially is bullshit. Collect all the data you want and give it to Frank Lampard.

[Taksin]

2 points from 5 league games he missed. Can anyone explain how Ronaldo is responsible for that? Was his stand in also not pressing.

And pressing - is it all that matters?

A selected statistic taken out of context doesn't really need to be explained in the way you invite it to be. They were pretty shit all season, including when he played. I seem to remember we made them look quite inept with him in the team.

But yes, he did rescue them a few times with his undoubted eye for goal. It doesn't follow that his age and even intimidating status did not have a disruptive influence on them overall.

[Steveo]

Look at how they performed without him.


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[ianlfc]

It says it all about their squad when they are training every day with arguably the best ever ,and they don't try and emulate him with the effort he puts in.
They were very very lucky to have him last season