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  1. #721
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBPAISLEYFAN View Post
    Both Nunez and Minamino played great games against us in the Champions League and these performances seemed to convince / influence the powers that be, that they both merited a position @ LFC…

    Minamino was too lightweight and never really established himself in the starting 11, unfortunately whilst Nunez seems to possess all the attributes to succeed at LFC, the one attribute he does sadly lack is the ice cold skills of a clinical finisher.

    Given the Captain Chaos element of his style, he will always score goals and create chances, but imho not enough and certainly not in the key moments of games when they are needed most. These goals can be the difference between winning titles and Cups and not….
    Darwins goal or Assist per minute stats are essentially level with Salah, and ahead of Solanke whose having a great season, and Saka at arsenal their top goal contributor in the PL.

    I'm glad you brought up Minamino, pivotal in both our cup success that year. That year we lost the big2, and in the second half our PL campaign Taki never got a start whilst Salah had his own finishing yips at that time.

    Lucky for Salah he had great seasons at lfc under his belt. Darwin new to lfc had his best seasons at Benfica.

    There he was more clinical routinely outperforming Xg. Scoring loads and playing loads. He did take time to settle their too, into a higher quality league of football.

    For me, Pep outperformed Klopp last year in adapting to adding a striker like Halaand, better than Klopp had with Núñez.

    Open question to the forum, if Darwins failed to seduce you, what exactly would be acceptable for him to be a success.

    Like, if Darwins goal-or-assist per minute stats are tops this year, what do you want him to do ?

    Start and play more, his total Goals & Assist number would be Salah level. 19 goal contributions in the league, set for 38 on a full season.
    Start to outperform Salah & Halaand for goals&assists per minute.

    For a reasonably young man with a decent transfer fee and reasonable wage less that Trents, who had a somewhat tumultuous start if you're a bit of a fanny...

    I think he's handling the pressure rather well.

    Here's Halaands stats for the current season.


    Halaand started 15 of their 19 PL games,
    Playing 1,294 minutes

    19 Goal contributions
    14 goals from 14.9 Xg
    5 assists from 1.2 Xa
    Goal or Assist per 68.1 minutes
    Expected Goal contributions 16.1

    Underperformed on Xg -0.9 to Darwins -2.1

    Outperformed Xa like Darwin. But net Darwin outperformed him here +5.4 to +3.8

    On expected goal contributions
    Halaand +2.9 to Salah&Darwins +3.3

    Halaands Xg is twice Núñez's which shows he's the end point of more attacks, and getting more chances to score than Darwin. 14.9 v 7.1
    A more complex discussion as to why, but that's the base reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Darwins goal or Assist per minute stats are essentially level with Salah, and ahead of Solanke whose having a great season, and Saka at arsenal their top goal contributor in the PL.

    I'm glad you brought up Minamino, pivotal in both our cup success that year. That year we lost the big2, and in the second half our PL campaign Taki never got a start whilst Salah had his own finishing yips at that time.

    Lucky for Salah he had great seasons at lfc under his belt. Darwin new to lfc had his best seasons at Benfica.

    There he was more clinical routinely outperforming Xg. Scoring loads and playing loads. He did take time to settle their too, into a higher quality league of football.

    For me, Pep outperformed Klopp last year in adapting to adding a striker like Halaand, better than Klopp had with Núñez.

    Open question to the forum, if Darwins failed to seduce you, what exactly would be acceptable for him to be a success.

    Like, if Darwins goal-or-assist per minute stats are tops this year, what do you want him to do ?

    Start and play more, his total Goals & Assist number would be Salah level. 19 goal contributions in the league, set for 38 on a full season.
    Start to outperform Salah & Halaand for goals&assists per minute.

    For a reasonably young man with a decent transfer fee and reasonable wage less that Trents, who had a somewhat tumultuous start if you're a bit of a fanny...

    I think he's handling the pressure rather well.

    Here's Halaands stats for the current season.


    Halaand started 15 of their 19 PL games,
    Playing 1,294 minutes

    19 Goal contributions
    14 goals from 14.9 Xg
    5 assists from 1.2 Xa
    Goal or Assist per 68.1 minutes
    Expected Goal contributions 16.1

    Underperformed on Xg -0.9 to Darwins -2.1

    Outperformed Xa like Darwin. But net Darwin outperformed him here +5.4 to +3.8

    On expected goal contributions
    Halaand +2.9 to Salah&Darwins +3.3

    Halaands Xg is twice Núñez's which shows he's the end point of more attacks, and getting more chances to score than Darwin. 14.9 v 7.1
    A more complex discussion as to why, but that's the base reality.
    That is an Impressive analysis and presentation of stats, which I must say present a very strong argument in the defence of Nunez’s career @ LFC…

    Maybe I am just too old school, because despite all of the above, watching Nunez I am still of the opinion to date that he has come up seriously short when it really mattered, like I say to date he is just lacking the ability to be ice cold when it really matters.

    Saying that, we are top of the league and are technically undefeated, and also remain favourites in every Cup competition and have achieved all of this without actually firing on all cylinders, and so without doubt Nunez has heavily contributed to this success… so maybe I am just being overly critical…

    Ideally, maybe I would rather a player who was poor in every department, but he consistently scored lots of goals and also scored crucial goals in key moments… ha ha who knows…

    However, I would be interested to see how a comparison analysis of historically proven clinical goal-scorers would compare, ie… How would John Aldridge’s stats look under a similar analysis ?

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    Another frustrating performance from him.

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    The good and the bad from Núñez this evening.

    Another assist (two goals and an assist in the 2 games against Newcastle this season) but also a number of spurned chances.

    Hopefully having a goal and an assist in his last 2 games is a building block for him mentally, rather than being frustrated at not converting on the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Darwins goal or Assist per minute stats are essentially level with Salah, and ahead of Solanke whose having a great season, and Saka at arsenal their top goal contributor in the PL.

    I'm glad you brought up Minamino, pivotal in both our cup success that year. That year we lost the big2, and in the second half our PL campaign Taki never got a start whilst Salah had his own finishing yips at that time.

    Lucky for Salah he had great seasons at lfc under his belt. Darwin new to lfc had his best seasons at Benfica.

    There he was more clinical routinely outperforming Xg. Scoring loads and playing loads. He did take time to settle their too, into a higher quality league of football.

    For me, Pep outperformed Klopp last year in adapting to adding a striker like Halaand, better than Klopp had with Núñez.

    Open question to the forum, if Darwins failed to seduce you, what exactly would be acceptable for him to be a success.

    Like, if Darwins goal-or-assist per minute stats are tops this year, what do you want him to do ?

    Start and play more, his total Goals & Assist number would be Salah level. 19 goal contributions in the league, set for 38 on a full season.
    Start to outperform Salah & Halaand for goals&assists per minute.

    For a reasonably young man with a decent transfer fee and reasonable wage less that Trents, who had a somewhat tumultuous start if you're a bit of a fanny...

    I think he's handling the pressure rather well.

    Here's Halaands stats for the current season.


    Halaand started 15 of their 19 PL games,
    Playing 1,294 minutes

    19 Goal contributions
    14 goals from 14.9 Xg
    5 assists from 1.2 Xa
    Goal or Assist per 68.1 minutes
    Expected Goal contributions 16.1

    Underperformed on Xg -0.9 to Darwins -2.1

    Outperformed Xa like Darwin. But net Darwin outperformed him here +5.4 to +3.8

    On expected goal contributions
    Halaand +2.9 to Salah&Darwins +3.3

    Halaands Xg is twice Núñez's which shows he's the end point of more attacks, and getting more chances to score than Darwin. 14.9 v 7.1
    A more complex discussion as to why, but that's the base reality.
    Not being funny but if solanke was surrounded by better players, and played in the system we play

    I'm sure he'd get more assists too

    Nunez has salah, bit of a difference

    not saying solanke would be the answer, but if we had toney, we'd be title winners.. i'd say europa and league cup too at a push that's how big of a difference I think it would make.

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    Still love him….two great saves, he doesn’t fluff his strikes but woodwork and some great saves see, to earn him criticism……Love him, a way to go but he will get there.

    Out of thread but Endo was immense.

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    The free header was the one for me, didn’t hit the target, it was an excellent chance.

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    Frustrates the living shyte outta me but the guy is an absolute 100% genuine threat.

    He is miles off it finishing wise - but the lad has so much to offer… Grrrr Just waiting for it to click.

    Regardless - there are lots of goals to be had directly or indirectly via his chaos

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    We’ve had far less affective strikers than him lining up for us over the last twenty or thirty years.

    Diouf, N’gog, Lambert, Borini, Aspas, Benteke, Voronin, Baros etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    We’ve had far less affective strikers than him lining up for us over the last twenty or thirty years.

    Diouf, N’gog, Lambert, Borini, Aspas, Benteke, Voronin, Baros etc etc
    And I think that’s the genuine frustration with him , we all knew with baros and ngog that they were crap but we had to make good, Nunez has all the raw abilities to be an absolute star, but his finishing is so far away, but the rest of his game makes up for it , his work rate , assists , and general attitude.
    But fuk me I wish he could finish , let’s hope he keeps plugging away and he comes good .

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