Who Hates Klopp? #2

[Steveo]

Shanks more or less built the club mate, so poor were we when he took over. Completely in the shadow of Everton who were occupying a similar league position only an entire league above.

Paisley inherited what was arguably the best team in the land - Champions the season before and FA cup winners and runners up the season he took over. Like taking over City now or us in 2019... Shankly Inherited the equivalent of Middlesborough..!!


The difference is huge mate. Paisley was a very quiet man, little charisma by comparison and extremely doubtful he would have ever have commanded the respect he got - had he not been Shankly's right hand man for so long. Ditto Fagan and Moran.


Come on Sci.. Shankly's ethos was etched into the club. HE awoke the fans, they stuck with the team..Paisley was a huge beneficiary of that. His record will probably never be beaten, but that in no way means he was a greater manager than Shankly. There is a reason why Bill is known as the Messiah..

Let's not try to re-write history. eh

[Steveo]

A legacy can only be built brick by brick and no one knew it better than Liverpool’s Bob Paisley. Here’s his through anecdotes.

The city of Liverpool did not care much when Bill Shankly took over the management of the club in 1959, but fifteen years and several trophies later, when the man stepped down from his job out of the blue, they cared aplenty. Shock spread across the city, and a spirit-sapping sadness followed as the man who had made an entire city fall in love with football called it a day.

The fans were not the only ones winded. The news that the messiah of Liverpool Football Club was leaving Anfield for good was a surprise even to those who were closest to him – Bob Paisley felt as if his world was collapsing. The board asking him to replace the man who was by then considered a literal demigod by the fanatic Liverpool crowd did nothing to help his heartburn.


https://www.footballparadise.com/bricklayer-who-built-the-bastion-bob-paisleys-liverpool-legacy-through-anecdotes/

He built the foundations..

[scientificred]

You are denying any influence that quiet Bob or Joe or Ronnie had and that what happened soon after was just Shankly's legacy.
I think you was not there from 66-72.
If this forum was there and you were on it?
Or the other complainers?
Give over!
I give you the difference between serial winners and oftimes second place or worse
Paisley v Shankly
I give you great example of difference between the two.
Kennedy as striker or midfielder.
Bob knew what was best as soon as he took over.
Bob - Serial winner over 10 seasons.
Not afraid to change the team ever!
Shanks 6 trophies over 15 years and let his team grow old like Kenny.

[redebreck]

A legacy can only be built brick by brick and no one knew it better than Liverpool’s Bob Paisley. Here’s his through anecdotes.

The city of Liverpool did not care much when Bill Shankly took over the management of the club in 1959, but fifteen years and several trophies later, when the man stepped down from his job out of the blue, they cared aplenty. Shock spread across the city, and a spirit-sapping sadness followed as the man who had made an entire city fall in love with football called it a day.

The fans were not the only ones winded. The news that the messiah of Liverpool Football Club was leaving Anfield for good was a surprise even to those who were closest to him – Bob Paisley felt as if his world was collapsing. The board asking him to replace the man who was by then considered a literal demigod by the fanatic Liverpool crowd did nothing to help his heartburn.


https://www.footballparadise.com/bricklayer-who-built-the-bastion-bob-paisleys-liverpool-legacy-through-anecdotes/

He built the foundations..

Good article, except for the fact Liverpool lost the 1950 FA cup final (article suggests we won it).

[scientificred]

Good article, except for the fact Liverpool lost the 1950 FA cup final (article suggests we won it).

From that same article quote...
'Shankly’s aura hid the importance of the men behind him, but it was to become abundantly clear in the time to come as to how good Bob Paisley actually was.'
And a few more to come.

[scientificred]

From that above article...
'There were notable differences seen by the players straight away. While Shankly had no time nor patience for the smaller details, Paisley paid attention to everything. He noticed the little things that his predecessor did not. Bill Shankly made you want to play with all you had – Bob Paisley showed you how to.'

[scientificred]

And also from that article, quote
'Shanks’s hatchet man,’ is how Kevin Keegan, another Anfield legend, described him. ‘Shanks would load the gun and Bob would fire the bullets.’ Although Paisley was a man of few words, he was widely respected by the players for his remarkable eye for detail. Heighway even said that some players were scared of him; when someone like Bob was angry with you, you knew you were in the doghouse'

[scientificred]

And another from that article, quote
'In his very first game in charge against Luton Town, there was an uncharacteristic lack of detail in Paisley’s tactics for the players. Defender Tommy Smith remembers Paisley told him to “not go wandering around like a miner without a lamp” but to keep an eye for his man. Paisley neglected to tell him who the man exactly was. Whether it was to highlight the need for details or it was out of sheer nervousness is up for debate. Also in his first week in charge, the new manager sold Larry Lloyd, and the club earned £240,000 for his sale – three times what they had bought him for. This policy of selling players for a lot was one that became routine under Paisley. Selling Lloyd was a massive statement in itself, as he was an established player under Shankly. This showed that Paisley’s initial reluctance for the job might have been slightly exaggerated, as it took him little time to establish authority with his players.

The changes in style were quite evident too. While Shankly was always a fan of the massive stopper centre back, Paisley wanted a new kind of defender – one who could pass the ball comfortably. Liverpool started slowly building from the back patiently while keeping possession for most of the game. This became the normal playing style under Paisley. '
That article belies it's headline.
I could extract more quotes but I will not

[justincredible]

City and Real Madrid have better squads, that's obvious...
But you can see why Liverpool's first team are burned out after last season's heroics...

https://twitter.com/oddspedia/status/1612483083785195521?s=19

[Steveo]

@ Sci

You keep falling into the trap of trying to defend Paisley. There is no contest between what Paisley won and what Shankly won. It is on the record. Paisley had the luxury to learn from Shankly’s mistakes. He also took the team to the next level. Better footballing teams. Much more akin to the game I like.

(Next level - Something I have been waiting for us to do since 2020… The reason I believe this is impossible, had been due to a clear handicap by the current owners.)


But the two men inherited completely different squads in completely different leagues and in completely different times. When Paisley took over - we were at or level with the top. When Shankly took over, the club was the small club in the city and a league below the Toffees, languishing in obscurity and with no belief.

Shankly has no equal in that regard. What he did and how he transformed the club, building a lasting legacy, has never been done. Without Shankly there is most likely no Paisley, certainly not at Liverpool.

That’s why for so many - he is the greatest.