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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlfc View Post
    The joys of a manager. When you win trophies it's the players who get the credit, as soon as it goes tits up, its the manager who's in the firing line.
    Not sure that's how it is, especially on here. If you listen to some it's all down to Klopp.

    Klopp is great manager and his motivational ability is legendary but you you don't attain 3 x 90pt seasons and reach 3 European finals with average players.

    We're not going to spend £300m this summer, it's just not going to happen. We need to go back to what worked previously. Smart scouting and astute purchases that can be coached into a team.

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    It's the players who don't have the legs anymore to follow through his instructions. Jordan and Fabinho the prime examples.

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    Five of the midfield “bodies” Klopp referred to us having as the summer window closed, deeming it unnecessary for us to buy anyone are Keita, Ox, Milner, Fabinho and Henderson. None of those five are capable of playing 90 minutes the way Klopp wants, or even 60 minutes in most cases.
    That’s 5 ffs. While I accept Keita and Ox just wanted to see out their over inflated contracts and move on frees next summer, to have manoeuvred ourselves down such a blind alley is unacceptable, whoever is responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    Five of the midfield “bodies” Klopp referred to us having as the summer window closed, deeming it unnecessary for us to buy anyone are Keita, Ox, Milner, Fabinho and Henderson. None of those five are capable of playing 90 minutes the way Klopp wants, or even 60 minutes in most cases.
    That’s 5 ffs. While I accept Keita and Ox just wanted to see out their over inflated contracts and move on frees next summer, to have manoeuvred ourselves down such a blind alley is unacceptable, whoever is responsible.
    On Wednesday night it was about 15 minutes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    Five of the midfield “bodies” Klopp referred to us having as the summer window closed, deeming it unnecessary for us to buy anyone are Keita, Ox, Milner, Fabinho and Henderson. None of those five are capable of playing 90 minutes the way Klopp wants, or even 60 minutes in most cases.
    That’s 5 ffs. While I accept Keita and Ox just wanted to see out their over inflated contracts and move on frees next summer, to have manoeuvred ourselves down such a blind alley is unacceptable, whoever is responsible.
    Our purchases of (and subsequent inability to sell) those two has been the most unfortunate of our on-field errors in the Klopp era.

    The sheer number of midfield options we had should - SHOULD mind you - have been enough, particularly given the option of rest and rotation. Unfortunately it has proven not to be adequate and the problem was further compounded by an injury-laden spell for our attacking players who couldn't Polyfilla our issues by scoring the required goals.

    We also (first half of the season) tried playing our no. 8s higher and wider in the early parts of the season which left gaping holes - this also didn't help.

    As it stands we have lost one of our last five League games. If we can continue the trend of getting more wins/draws than losses we can hopefully sneak a Champion's League spot.

    If we don't I'd enjoy the Europa. I like the two-legged European games and it's a path to the Champion's League if the 23/24 campaign goes awry.

    I want nothing to do with the Europa Conference League though - absolute waste of time for us.

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    It’s the complete lack of forward planning that is our problem. I get why we couldn’t bring in the two (at least) new mids last summer because of the numbers we already had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    Our purchases of (and subsequent inability to sell) those two has been the most unfortunate of our on-field errors in the Klopp era.

    The sheer number of midfield options we had should - SHOULD mind you - have been enough, particularly given the option of rest and rotation. Unfortunately it has proven not to be adequate and the problem was further compounded by an injury-laden spell for our attacking players who couldn't Polyfilla our issues by scoring the required goals.

    We also (first half of the season) tried playing our no. 8s higher and wider in the early parts of the season which left gaping holes - this also didn't help.

    As it stands we have lost one of our last five League games. If we can continue the trend of getting more wins/draws than losses we can hopefully sneak a Champion's League spot.

    If we don't I'd enjoy the Europa. I like the two-legged European games and it's a path to the Champion's League if the 23/24 campaign goes awry.

    I want nothing to do with the Europa Conference League though - absolute waste of time for us.
    The fact we waited a full year to be blessed with naby in this squad is almost beyond parody. Like what the fuck did we see.

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    Same as Barcelona… apparently

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    Five of the midfield “bodies” Klopp referred to us having as the summer window closed, deeming it unnecessary for us to buy anyone are Keita, Ox, Milner, Fabinho and Henderson. None of those five are capable of playing 90 minutes the way Klopp wants, or even 60 minutes in most cases.
    That’s 5 ffs. While I accept Keita and Ox just wanted to see out their over inflated contracts and move on frees next summer, to have manoeuvred ourselves down such a blind alley is unacceptable, whoever is responsible.
    It's actually Jones, Elliott, Carvalho, Keita, Oxlade - Klopp at least understands pressing and counter pressing isn't all about running hard yards

    How does no-one get this, through no longer having a good press, we are running far more hard yards, long sprints back when our press is continually broken, pressing and counter pressing, when finely tuned, is not an exhaustive exercise, it's like circuit training, rhythmic running, of mostly 5-10 yards, not full on sprints or lengthy sprints, Henderson got injured in 19-20 not because of our pressing and counter pressing, but because his body was used to the rhythmic running of the press and counter press and he was suddenly doing 3 or 4 flat out 30 yard sprints against Atletico because Fab's reintroduction was seeing our press continually broken

    You lot really don't get this

    If all your players get to expertly positioning themselves off one another, reading the play, playing almost exclusively in one third to half of the pitch, winning almost all second balls so they aren't chasing down players, having to turn and sprint back after players released in behind them, how the FUCK are they, were they running further than in our current state of affairs?

    I'm fucking tired of this lame argument, logistically, having watched the games and the positioning of the players the running they were doing, wasn't as exhaustive or intensive as the running most other teams do and all the opponents we so regularly released players in behind had to do so many times every game, the argument it is fatigue, that we would some how be more fatigues than all the opposition sides we made do so much more genuine hard and exhaustive running and sprinting than we have been doing simply just does not stack up

    The more plausible explanations are the loss of our press and counter pressing and it deteriorating over time through Jurgen's changes and that not being addressed so were were expending more energy and/or the loss of sports science and key fitness in conditioning staff in the summer meaning the players are struggling for that reason

    Fab has never ever had the legs, he has never had the box to box length and bredth of the pitch running ability and athleticism of a DM, the kind Casemiro has sadly displayed in abundance in the filthy's last 2 games, the kind Hendo reularly displayed, never
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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    It’s the complete lack of forward planning that is our problem. I get why we couldn’t bring in the two (at least) new mids last summer because of the numbers we already had.
    Keita and Oxlade should have been moved on through their lack of being available through injury issues a very long time ago

    Thiago was an incredible error, why buy an ageing injury prone midfielder who isn't suited to your style of play to try and build your supposed evolution around? It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, it is the dumbest plan ever, akin to one of Baldrick's deliberately idiotic cunning plans on black fucking adder
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