Stefan Bajčetić

[Nineteenx]

Could easily do a detailed stat attack on it, look at everyone else's numbers in their contributions to goals or pass before the assist and big chances created and see how their numbers have dropped significantly since we tried to have a designated playmaker, as a significant drop in such stats together, through them seeing less of the ball and not receiving it from said playmaker where they want it or with the quality or spin they're used to, switches and medium to long balls especially would absolutely conclusivelyconfirm every single point i've made about him

His job is not only to create himself which he has comprehensively failed to do, it is to find team mates in positions from which they can create with the type of passing and service THEY thrive on, not what he thinks they should

[Steveo]

Well it’s interesting isn’t it.

So You cite Thiago as the reason for our demise. So was it Thiago who was responsible for the disastrous title defence campaign? Was that Thiago? Remember we still had Gini. We lost all senior CB’s and the team was way below par BUT you want to blame Thiago for that? In his first season? Set a record for passes in his first game, then nobbled by the BS.. No fans to welcome him to his new club. Not even allowed to socialise. New club - new league - new country… Yet the guy STILL was the seasons standout.

I seem to remember the team setting records for consecutive losses, playing Mids at CB… Again Thiago’s fault? And then I also remember, the huge upturn after Klopp finally dropped that strategy, and despite being without the captain too, we went on the make a remarkable 26 points from a possible 30 to qualify for the CL and a third placed finish when all looked lost.

Again - no thanks to Thiago right?

Then last season… A season that almost broke all the record books.. 2 results away from an unprecedented quadruple. A clean sweep on everything on offer, playing ever single conceivable game. Yet minus Thiago - the form wasn’t even top 4…

Again - no thanks to a Thiago right?

And here we are… the season after… A mirror of the title defence season in so many ways. Injuries in all departments though this time and a far far older squad from midfield to back line.

Our best mid so far this season, unquestionably - Thiago… Yet here you are again. Singling him out.

Funny eh

[dicko1969]

Thiago is a class worldclass player.
Unbelievable talent.
Thiago has adapted to the EPL.
Unfortunately fitness and age is against him.

Would be better 4231

Taa Konate Vvd Robbo

......Bajcetic Thiago

Salah Gakpo Diaz

......... Darwin ..........

[Nineteenx]

Steveo, you cited Thiago as 'having almost led us to a quadruple' in another thread

I don't think he played a sinngle game in the Carabao Cup

He had to be hooked against Inter and make no mistake our European campaign was ending v Inter but for Thiago and Fab being hooked and our captain you love to hate being brought on to steady the ship

Thiago and Fab collectively lost Modric and Casemiro in the Champions League final for them to combine to release Valverde to tee up Vinicius for their winner, sure you'll try and blame any other player, but that's where the goal came from, Thiago's position in relation to Modric is simply atrocious and Fab's blind charge towards Modric leaving Casemiro wide open is equally bad but typiical Fab

I see patterns, i kick off about things most people have no idea what i'm talking about or so upset about because my head insstantly recognises a change, looks at the new pattern and mechanics and works out its impact on each working part

I warned extensively all last season about our losing our runs in behind, direct and counter ability and limiting our use of Trent, Hendo, Virgil and other creative players and there were numerous games we struggled to create and score in as a result of these things, including all 3 finals

[dicko1969]

To be honest neither Henderson Thiago nor Fabinho are the next 4 year cycle 1st team choice.

[Nineteenx]

Thiago is a class worldclass player.
Unbelievable talent.
Thiago has adapted to the EPL.
Unfortunately fitness and age is against him.

Would be better 4231

Taa Konate Vvd Robbo

......Bajcetic Thiago

Salah Gakpo Diaz

......... Darwin ..........

Darwin's stank the place out at No9, Mo, Diaz, Jota, Nunez, hell all our attacking options are forwars, not attacking midfielders

You're revealing a huge part off the Thiago issue, Jurgen and our staff trying to reinvent the entire team around him, negating, limiting and disregarding the talents and abilities of practically all 10 other players for a 31 year old all fur coat and no knickers show boating crock

In you propsed system we don't get the best out of or play to the greatest strengths of:

Alisson, Trent, Konate or Matip, Virgil, Robbo or Tsimikas, Bajcetic, Mo, Gakpo, Diaz or Nunez or any or our other mids and forwards, that's just marvellous

[dicko1969]

I'm not saying that there isn't a difficulty with or midfield;
Right now relying on an 18yo and 3 midfielders (Hendo Fab Thiago) who all seem past their best. Although Fab is only 29.
Keita Ox are out in the summer.
Klopp already doesn't trust them to do the job required.
Jones is a total waste of a new contract.
Millie 37.
Elliott not quite ready yet to be a regular 1st choice.
Unbelievable that fsg have allowed this to happen , and that klopp has had to accept this situation.
A serious lack of forward planning , and stubbornness to get the key targets.

[Steveo]

Steveo, you cited Thiago as 'having almost led us to a quadruple' in another thread

I don't think he played a sinngle game in the Carabao Cup

He had to be hooked against Inter and make no mistake our European campaign was ending v Inter but for Thiago and Fab being hooked and our captain you love to hate being brought on to steady the ship

Thiago and Fab collectively lost Modric and Casemiro in the Champions League final for them to combine to release Valverde to tee up Vinicius for their winner, sure you'll try and blame any other player, but that's where the goal came from, Thiago's position in relation to Modric is simply atrocious and Fab's blind charge towards Modric leaving Casemiro wide open is equally bad but typiical Fab

I see patterns, i kick off about things most people have no idea what i'm talking about or so upset about because my head insstantly recognises a change, looks at the new pattern and mechanics and works out its impact on each working part

I warned extensively all last season about our losing our runs in behind, direct and counter ability and limiting our use of Trent, Hendo, Virgil and other creative players and there were numerous games we struggled to create and score in as a result of these things, including all 3 finals

Is this a quote? or not a quote? 'having almost led us to a quadruple'. What is hard to argue with is that our form without Thiago would have seen us likely miss out on top 4 altogether last season, nevermind be in with a chance for a quad going into the last game. And are you talking about these 2 games v Inter?

Inter Milan 0-2 Liverpool: Player Ratings
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2022/02/inter-milan-0-2-liverpool-player-ratings/

Thiago – 7
Was the only midfielder who survived the second-half substitutes, remaining on the field until the final minutes when he was replaced by Milner.

Played a brilliant ball over the top for Salah in the early stages, and made one vital interception in the second half in his own box.

Nothing as outstanding as we know he’s capable of, but a very useful presence in and out of possession.

And Hendo came on for Fabinho...

Liverpool 0-1 Inter Milan: Player Ratings
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2022/03/liverpool-0-1-inter-milan-2-1-agg-player-ratings/

Thiago – 8
Fortunate not to get a pretty bad injury when Alexis Sanchez decided to tackle pretty much the outside of his knee, with the ref naturally opting against so much as a free-kick.

Antonio Mateu Lahoz was dreadful. Thiago wasn’t, though.

His ball work was absolutely sensational at times, helping craft some of our best chances and being typically solid with his midfield pressing work too.

And Hendo came on for Jones...

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And Both Thiago and Fabinho were injured prior to the final. Neither should have started. The only reason they even played is due to the same dearth of quality we have witnessed - pretty much all of this season so far.

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I think you might be confused on this a little.

[Nineteenx]

I
Played a brilliant ball over the top for Salah in the early stages

And Both Thiago and Fabinho were injured prior to the final. Neither should have started. The only reason they even played is due to the same dearth of quality we have witnessed - pretty much all of this season so far..

If i'm recalling this correctly, the ball for Mo was very much the same as all his others overhit without the appropriate backspin on the ball

For a player of such supposed incredible technical ability, not being able to play a single switch, ball over the top or medium to long diagonal of the required quality because:

He doesn't understand if i piches ahead of the player backspin will make the ball sit up and slow up allowing the player to catch up with it and gather it, rather than running away from them as i believe this particular poor pass did

He doesn't understand if the player reaches the ball in flight or at the point it's about to hit the turf backspin makes the ball far easier to control

And most crucially of all, he doesn't understand the type of ball (including the spin on it) our forwards and full backs thrived on for 3 seasons prior to his arrival and tries to dictate to them what HE thinks is the right type of delivery

Steveo doesn't or won't see how these three thing are all hugely problematic

We're doing much better in Thiago's absence, creating more, counter better again, keeping clean sheets again, far better than in the 3-0 to Wolves debacle he was our senior mid in

We're looking more like Liverpool of 18-20 with each passing game without him

[Steveo]

Mate, not only are you clearly peddling a false agenda, you are making huge mistakes with what actually happened. If you are going to use a minute sample pool like the Inter game.. (can only assume it's one of the 2 I posted ratings for) .. then at least try to get the facts about the darned game correct.

Fabinho wasn't even subbed - AT ALL - in the 1:0 v Inter and Thiago was highly rated in both games even alongside Jones in Milan. Both had good games BTW.


I know it hurts you that Thiago is our best mid, and it exposes your ludicrous assessments for what they are.. but we all have to face reality from time to time.