General Transfer Thread Summer 2023

**JockStrap** · 24th November 2023, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by CCTV

By gross spend since 2000 were the 9th biggest club in the world, and 4th biggest club in the PL.

So why bring up net spend to make us look worse, if gross spend is what you deem most important.

Something, something, F$G.

**Steveo** · 24th November 2023, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by CCTV

By gross spend since 2000 were the 9th biggest club in the world, and 4th biggest club in the PL.

So why bring up net spend to make us look worse, if gross spend is what you deem most important.

I brought it up because you cited Real’s low net spend since 2014. It is very low. But it is ONLY low because of who they are - what they have won AND the fact you wish to ignore - that they were outspending everyone for years.

That’s why. Come on. Don’t act confused. You are trying to cite a clear and unequivocal anomaly and use it as evidence that anyone can perform as they have with a similar net spend.

They cannot and they never have.

**CCTV** · 25th November 2023, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by CCTV

We have Klopp and he has his players, up against Pep and his players.

Can't believe you retreat to the net-spending after posting those tables of net spend.

Over the last 5 years:

1) Chelsea: £-673.62m 
2) Manchester United: £-608.9m

6) Manchester City: £-314.28m 
9) Liverpool: £-218.29m 

● Real Madrid €-173.85m

Arguably the last 5 years are more prescient

Since 2014

1. United: €-1.326bill

6 Liverpool: €-451.86m

● Real Madrid
Since 14/15 €-193.15m
Since 13/14 €-255.15m

Originally Posted by CCTV

Not sure why you're moving on to gross spend since 2000s

Real 2.268 B
Manu 2.098 B
Lfc 1.756 B
Bayern 1.266 B

Lfc spend under Fsg 1.439 B
Klopp 0.933 B
Rodgers 0.4 B
Kenny 0.106 B

Pre-fsg 0.317 B

Originally Posted by Steveo

I brought it up because you cited Real’s low net spend since 2014. It is very low. But it is ONLY low because of who they are - what they have won AND the fact you wish to ignore - that they were outspending everyone for years.

That’s why. Come on. Don’t act confused. You are trying to cite a clear and unequivocal anomaly and use it as evidence that anyone can perform as they have with a similar net spend.

They cannot and they never have.

I guess Bayern with only 1.266 are just another anomaly, and united & chelsea another 2 over the past 5 seasons.

Real Madrid total spend since Jose 2010

Jose 187.5 m
Carlo 301.5 m
Rafa 100.4 m (15/16)
ZZ 70.5 m
Lopetegui 102.75 m
Solari 17 m
ZZ 310.5 m
Carlo 240.5 m

Total: 1.331 B

Since FSG took over they've outspent real Madrid in gross spend since 2010.
And outspent them on net spend since 2014 & 2019.

And that gross spend since 2010 includes €89 mill spent in 2010 summer by Real when FSG didn't own LFC. LFC spent €30.23 that summer (not included under FSG).
FSG have outspent Real by €206 mill since they took over in gross spending terms.

**CCTV** · 25th November 2023, 12:58 AM

Real spent €400 mill since fsg took over till end of 2014/15 season versus €506 mill by LFC

Real since Klopp took over spent €842 mill versus Klopps €933 mill

**CCTV** · 25th November 2023, 01:05 AM

Correction
Under fsg weve outspent real by €197 mill gross: 1.439 B v 1.242 B

In the pre fsg era... Real out spend us by €709 mill gross : €317 mill v €1,026 mill

**miller0863** · 25th November 2023, 03:06 AM

Real are about as big an exception to any rule as you are ever going to get.

**Joetan991** · 25th November 2023, 03:11 AM

Net spending is good indicator but again, if you want to judge rich club with unlimited resources, you need to see the whole picture.

One of the key advantages other clubs might don't have, they spend few hundred million on upgrading their youth system, spend big to attract youth worldwide, provide academy, facilities everything on them to stay in Manchester, it doesn't show in the "net spending". They got the raw and ready made players at the same time.

Youth expenses they can be covered easily by their surprisingly big sponsorship, perhaps only few youth turn good they can easily alter their "net spending" like selling youth like Palmer or Foden in the first team to show everyone they do train not only buying world class.

Behind the scenes, no one know how much money they throw in to develop youth system. I didn't say it's a bad thing, but to show true account of City, we need to see how they operate, not only on net spending.