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  1. #221
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    Firmino is taking his pay and going nowhere until Jurgen turns up. Jurgen made him.

    Sturridge was bought for £12 million as talented injury risk. Where have we seen that before..?

    Coutinho (a present from Rafa to us & Comolli) isn't getting close to rated as one of the best in the world and CERTAINLY ain't commanding £142 million for his club unless Klopp manages him. Vanished up his own arse once the German arm wasn’t around him.

    See the fee for Luis Suarez if you still don't understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    Firmino is taking his pay and going nowhere until Jurgen turns up. Jurgen made him.

    Sturridge was bought for £12 million as talented injury risk. Where have we seen that before..?

    Coutinho (a present from Rafa to us & Comolli) isn't getting close to rated as one of the best in the world and CERTAINLY ain't commanding £142 million for his club unless Klopp manages him. Vanished up his own arse once the German arm wasn’t around him.

    See the fee for Luis Suarez if you still don't understand
    Yep, this is where the manager 'Good Manager' comes in the Good Scouting - Good Players - Good Manager. The scouts have identified talented players. Jobs 1 & 2 sorted.

    Slot is supposed to have a reputation for improving players, so hopefully this will continue.

    We've been far better in the transfer window in the last 10 years, with only really a handful of absolute stinkers. It's even more evident when you compare it to the utter waste United spent in the same period.
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    True, and no coincidence that Klopp was here for 9 of them...but the players we bought might have suffered the same fate as those United have had they gone to Old Trafford. This is the thing. There is no way of knowing. Here's the thing. Coutinho stays at Liverpool - does he fold like he did at Barca? Doubtful.. but his entire career fell on its arse post Klopp. A classic example of a player performing like a king under one manager and like a nobody under another.

    I maintain that Ferguson left united in an absolute state - and it was partly imo deliberate (megalomania)OR due to not caring... but a similar state - and I am sorry to say it - to the the situation we found ourselves when Kenny stepped down.

    No succession planing in Kenny's case as it dawned on him so suddenly after so much trauma.. but the net result was similar.

    Total break from an uber successful all conquering legacy past. Boot Room (Shankly legacy) gone... Souness appointment led to a ripping up of the guide book and a new era which left a fan base full of expectation based on the past - but a club without the ability OR the drive (management) to deliver. And we were like United.. Spending plenty on players to no avail.. Chasing the dragon.

    These things go in cycles. What was miraculous post Shankly was the continuity that remained - that HIS legacy of the trinity - The fans - the players and the manager. remained in place for so long..

    One man brought that back - and his name is Jurgen Klopp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    True, and no coincidence that Klopp was here for 9 of them...but the players we bought might have suffered the same fate as those United have had they gone to Old Trafford. This is the thing. There is no way of knowing. Here's the thing. Coutinho stays at Liverpool - does he fold like he did at Barca? Doubtful.. but his entire career fell on its arse post Klopp. A classic example of a player performing like a king under one manager and like a nobody under another.

    I maintain that Ferguson left united in an absolute state - and it was partly imo deliberate (megalomania)OR due to not caring... but a similar state - and I am sorry to say it - to the the situation we found ourselves when Kenny stepped down.

    No succession planing in Kenny's case as it dawned on him so suddenly after so much trauma.. but the net result was similar.

    Total break from an uber successful all conquering legacy past. Boot Room (Shankly legacy) gone... Souness appointment led to a ripping up of the guide book and a new era which left a fan base full of expectation based on the past - but a club without the ability OR the drive (management) to deliver. And we were like United.. Spending plenty on players to no avail.. Chasing the dragon.

    These things go in cycles. What was miraculous post Shankly was the continuity that remained - that HIS legacy of the trinity - The fans - the players and the manager. remained in place for so long..

    One man brought that back - and his name is Jurgen Klopp
    Absolutely. The bit in bold is the most pertinent. Now I'm not saying Souness would have kept things going when he took over (as he's been cack everywhere he's been (Scotland doesnt count!) but he hamstrung himself by replacing a good chunk of that amazing late 80s side with some absolute guff. I dont think even Kenny would have kept the wheels spinning if he'd brought in the likes of Nicky Tanner, Julian Dicks, Neil Ruddock, Torben Piechnik and Istvan Kozma!

    It's no coincedence that we improved in the mid 90s with the influx of phenomonally talented kids. Roy Evans was a likable fellow but he wasn't the reason for the improvement. And it can be argued that Fergie benefited from the same thing, without that Class of 92 things might have been very different.


    Absolutely agree with the last point. Image had we chosen Frank DeBoer or god forbid Gary Monk!

    But as you say though, it's all conjecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jozza800 View Post
    Absolutely. The bit in bold is the most pertinent. Now I'm not saying Souness would have kept things going when he took over (as he's been cack everywhere he's been (Scotland doesnt count!) but he hamstrung himself by replacing a good chunk of that amazing late 80s side with some absolute guff. I dont think even Kenny would have kept the wheels spinning if he'd brought in the likes of Nicky Tanner, Julian Dicks, Neil Ruddock, Torben Piechnik and Istvan Kozma!

    It's no coincedence that we improved in the mid 90s with the influx of phenomonally talented kids. Roy Evans was a likable fellow but he wasn't the reason for the improvement. And it can be argued that Fergie benefited from the same thing, without that Class of 92 things might have been very different.


    Absolutely agree with the last point. Image had we chosen Frank DeBoer or god forbid Gary Monk!

    But as you say though, it's all conjecture.
    Have to agree with both you and Steveo’s great post…

    I think the problem we face now is that Jurgen and to a lesser extent Michael Edwards got LFC to the top of the tree both at home, in Europe and on the World stage with FSG’s stringent moneyball approach, based on developing and signing under the radar emerging talent within strict financial constraints rather than the moneyed Galactico approach of the likes of Real Madrid, Chelsea and Man City…

    As a result, because Jurgen through his genius has made their strategy work, I do get the sense they believe that with Michael Edwards back on board and Arne Slot in charge and showing his worth, that they are convinced more than ever it is their strategy that deserves a share of the accolades as much as the works of any individual… and so they are continuing with more of the same.

    Secondly, as we are so clear at the top of the Premiership and clear at the top of the Champions League League, FSG could argue..

    “ If it ain’t broke, why fix it..!! “

    TBF I can see the merits of that point of view, why would you run the risk of jeopardising a very successful and happy ship with potentially a couple of new signings that might just upset the applecart …when you are in such a healthy position at home and abroad.

    If only we had the benefit of hindsight now….

    Finally, maybe just maybe, their stringent adherence to their own Moneyball strategy is actually proving to be their blindspot in regards to the Trent, Salah and VVD contract situation, when in fact sticking to what they see as a successful strategy, a clear blind spot, could ultimately end up proving to be their biggest achilles heel moment…

    Who really knows what FSG, Michael Edwards and Slot are thinking, I guess only time will tell…

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    Virgil’s contract needs addressing & agreeing urgently & after that Mo, I think Trent wants to go to Real

    I don’t see Virgil as the type to try to hold the club to ransom over an offer from Saudi but Salah’s agent is definitely the type to do so

    I think 2 year extensions on their current salaries should be accepted by both to be fair, they’re both multi millionaires made by Jurgen & the club

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    We're top of the leagues, and Slot looks like one of the best around.
    Polished up a few dullened gems inherited from Klopp. Reshaping the side and bringing some freshness.
    Slots making good calls off the bench, managing the minutes reasonably well, and rightfully top of the leagues.

    Klopps a legend whose life cycle expired. It ain't easy at the top. Transformed the club. Slot has his own style and allure. Like Jurgen he's assessing the squad in his first season, and proving people wrong.
    Klopp made 2 cup finals in his first year with the squad he inherited. Missing out on top4 in part targeting the EL title. Went on to transform the club.
    Slots inherited a squad disappointed not to have won 2 PL's in the last 3 seasons & losing a CL final to Madrid 3 seasons ago, and it's flying.

    Slot

    Ali Kelleher

    Trent Bradley
    Konate Gomez
    VVD Quansah
    Robbo Tsimi

    Grav Endo Morton
    Maca Jones
    Sobozla Elliott

    Salah Chiesa
    Nunez Jota
    Diaz Gakpo

    Jaros, McConnell, Danns, Nyoni & Rio prospects

    Given Slots record at Feyenoord and his start at LFC, we are in a great position.

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    anyone heard the rumours of Jorrel Hato ?? 18 year old Dutch defender? we are "suppose" to be interested.. but we know now from experience being interested and actually signing anyone is two different things..
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    Get with the programme justme, it’s monitoring, we don’t actually sign players we “monitor” them.

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    Thats like saying. I nearly won the lottery last night. I was only 6 numbers short.

    Yep we only "monitor"
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