Match Thread: Brighton v Liverpool

[Steveo]

Stevo mate, CCTV is on a wind-up he's Jockstraps main account, don't rise to the troll .... he's come out with more bizzare things by the day........

I can't search posts because for some reason it's disabled but didn't he say mo salah is shit or something crazy ?????

I use to think he's a smart poster and enjoyed reading his posts/debates but he's turned into a right loopy

I know - I really shouldn't waste the time.

[CCTV]

In January 2024, you said.

Looks like an athlete first - footballer second. That isn't enough at Bayern.

Shouldn't be enough here either - but Klopp is such a miracle worker anything is possible. He could end up being a crucial component

In December 2024, you said.

Underperformed at Bayern too - might have just realised last summer. It’s time to turn all that potential into the real deal.

Does coincide however with a Dutch manager taking over.

In May 2025......

Grav was in Klopps strongest 11 last year and all Slot has done is picked Klopps best 11

No integrity, No substance.

I've broken down the minutes played in PL, starts, and given you your own words on Gravenberch.

I see you're posting a big lot of text, anything to avoid what you said on Grav, and the minutes played & starts under both managers.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?309934-Gravenberch

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310531-Could-Zubimendi%92s-decision-be-a-blessing-in-disguise-for-Ryan-Gravenberch%85

[CCTV]

In January 2024 you said...

"Yep in and out of the side doesn't help at all."

Grav played 411 minutes after January 2024 over 16 PL games.
He played 710 minutes of our first 22 PL games.

Meaning he was even more in and out of the squad after January 2024.

This year almost 3 times as many PL minutes played, 3 times as many starts, and widely acknowledged that Slot has unearthed a gem.

At this point you're arguing with what you've said in the past, as much as you are with me.

[Steveo]

Cannot face the REAL'ity about Real Madrid..

Cannot accept that Arne Slot Picked Jurgen Klopp's "strongest 11" all season


AND is instead trying to obfuscate and twist the convo into ridiculous realms... WHY? because he cannot contend with the facts.

And convenient that he cannot address the main points.

Again I stand by every word. Every word about Klopp leaving early because of the exhaustive work needed to keep going with the hugely restrictive sell to buy self sustain model.

Every word on Grav....Who last season did very much look like an athlete first footballer second. Do I think he is one of the best mids in the world even today.? After last season.. - Not a chance - but so many players Klopp brought in and worked with fit into that bracket. How many been world beaters before him and how many have fared well after his tutelage?

You need to just wake up to the facts. Something you seem incapable of doing.

Klopp left early because he was exhausted

“I cannot do it again and again and again.”. His words.

Which brings us back round again... to - Slot used Klopp’s best 11 all season whenever it mattered - some thing you cannot grasp. Instead choosing to post how many minutes the experienced Endo (isn’t in Gravs class) got under Klopp in their first season in a new midfield. Endo isn't close to one of Klopps strongest 11 even if he played every minute of every game last season. Do you follow?

This is the level of tripe you consistently serve up.

This is why Kev is right. You are just a WUM.. And not a very good one.

[CCTV]

Cannot face the REAL'ity about Real Madrid..

Cannot accept that Arne Slot Picked Jurgen Klopp's "strongest 11" all season


AND is instead trying to obfuscate and twist the convo into ridiculous realms... WHY? because he cannot contend with the facts.

And convenient that he cannot address the main points.

Again I stand by every word. Every word about Klopp leaving early because of the exhaustive work needed to keep going with the hugely restrictive sell to buy self sustain model.

Every word on Grav....Who last season did very much look like an athlete first footballer second. Do I think he is one of the best mids in the world even today.? After last season.. - Not a chance - but so many players Klopp brought in and worked with fit into that bracket. How many been world beaters before him and how many have fared well after his tutelage?

You need to just wake up to the facts. Something you seem incapable of doing.

Klopp left early because he was exhausted

“I cannot do it again and again and again.”. His words.

Which brings us back round again... to - Slot used Klopp’s best 11 all season whenever it mattered - some thing you cannot grasp. Instead choosing to post how many minutes the experienced Endo (isn’t in Gravs class) got under Klopp in their first season in a new midfield. Endo isn't close to one of Klopps strongest 11 even if he played every minute of every game last season. Do you follow?

This is the level of tripe you consistently serve up.

This is why Kev is right. You are just a WUM.. And not a very good one.

You call Kev our forum drunk, when he's clearly smarter than you. Enjoy the 3 of yereselves

If you had an ounce of integrity you'd realise you are talking shit.. again...

This big, Slot just picked Klopps best 11 line. started when we won the league.

You said in September, Klopp walked because of the squad and he couldn't complete with Arteta with this squad. You predicted doom.
As it became apparent we would win the league, you re-wrote history, again. No integrity. No substance.

[Steveo]

And here comes yet more drivel, bullshit and lies from the F$G Fan Boi.. I didn't expect anything close to a title win - and thought we would struggle even for top 4.. but so did so many others.. Only the Oracle knew ... However - I did also suggest before the season even started that your heroes FSG might have done it again - with Arne Slot. A point you seem unable to mention. Also throughout the season I repeatedly suggested Slot was more pragmatic - in favour of a higher quality game and ONLY interested in fielding our most technically gifted players. AKA - to anyone but Dougal - Klopp's "Strongest 11" .

Who was to know the man had so little ego? Who was to know he would trust Klopp so implicitly that he'd be content with nothing more than the tools he was left.... and no new additions... bar the ever present Chiesa....

And Please find the quotes where I ever said as your filthy lies suggest.

I never once suggested anything about Klopp not being able to compete with Arteta. I questioned you directly though on HOW Arteta - a manager "not in Klopps class, managed to finish higher than us x2 after a 40 point deficit... You pathetic shitburger

I swear the club couldn't find a more worthless excuse for a fan. Never goes to games - always cheers the owners who stiffed Jurgen




So: from 7.54 in the Video..

"I am Fully here... I don't think anybody realised any difference - in the last few months...." "IF - then maybe there is a positive change....laughs"

He knew he was off after that loooong summer - following that awful season and all the shenanigans to try his best to land a much belated new midfield. He did it. landed the players - not all of them the ones he felt he needed but he landed what he landed - and he integrated them so well that in just one summer they were looking like they were in their second season and part of a title challenge.. and yes.. almost a quad..


CCTV you talk about integrity while continuing to lie and lie.


Get your wallet out Dougal



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[CCTV]

I have integrity. I've given you the opportunity to accept Grav was in Slots best 11 this year and not in Klopps last year.
I gave you data/facts about who featured most under both managers. Pretty simple stuff.
I've even given you links to the threads where you said what you did about Grav.
I see pointing out what you said about Grav has stirred a reaction.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwards

That's a last link little pig 🐷

[Steveo]

We can all see the threads and we can all see you are lying. Twisting words and fabricating entire dialogues because you have no answers. I suggest standing by every word of what I did say on both matters has left you jumping up and down on the floor of your "sorry little grief hole". The rug has been pulled from beneath you Dougal..

While I am sure you will continue to do everything your "power" to try and dilute - obfuscate and disrupt the flow of my narrative... the reality and the work of the man who made the difference is there for all to see.


The Human defibrillator.
Before Klopp, Anfield was a grand old museum full of ghosts, rattling the chains of its own glorious history. The place was drowning in nostalgia. Klopp arrived not as a coach, but as a walking, talking, bear-hugging electrical storm. His opening gambit, turning "doubters to believers," wasn't some glib corporate slogan; it was a psychological rewiring of an entire city. He didn't just walk into the building; he mainlined charisma directly into its foundations.

The Gospel of Gegenpressing.
For years, English football was about solid banks of four, patient build-up, and the art of the long ball. Klopp’s football, by contrast, looked like a swarm of angry hornets whose nest had been kicked. This wasn't a tactic so much as a collective, high-speed nervous breakdown. He made it seem that the sole purpose of losing the ball was the sheer, orgiastic joy of winning it back within three seconds. It was primal, exhausting to watch, and for a time, utterly unstoppable.

The Alchemist of the Boot Room.
He took players who were merely good and turned them into deities. Andy Robertson was acquired for the price of a second-hand family saloon and became the best left-back on the planet. Henderson, a man whose running style resembled a panicked foal, was moulded into a Champions League-lifting captain of immense stature. He saw the world-beater inside the raw material, a trick that belongs more to Michelangelo than to a football manager.

The Shield against the Absurd.
In an era where football was becoming a sterile, remote television product, Klopp was the ultimate conductor of the crowd. He’d whirl his arms, demand noise, and celebrate a throw-in like he’d just discovered fire. He understood that a football club is a vast, illogical cathedral of shared emotion, not a business asset. He was the barrier reef protecting the ecosystem of the fans from the cold, deep waters of corporate ownership.

He Actually Delivered the Holy Grail.
Let's not beat about the bush. He won the lot, but specifically The League. The one that had become a 30-year punchline, a mythical beast spoken of in hushed tones. Winning the Champions League was glorious, but breaking the domestic curse was an act of communal exorcism. He stared down three decades of failure and headbanged it into submission. For that alone, his statue is assured.

And yet. The faint, persistent squeak of the handbrake was always there. For all the on-field chaos, the operation off it was a model of American pragmatism, which is another way of saying they watched every penny.


For the F$G Fan Boi, the SHILL - key reasons where Klopp's premature exit came from.

The Dogma of Net Spend.
In the great arms race of modern football, where nation-states buy midfielders for sums that could float a small navy, Liverpool often turned up to the gunfight armed with a carefully balanced ledger. The mantra from Boston was clear: you must largely eat what you kill. This meant Klopp was often trying to build a dynasty on a budget better suited to renovating a conservatory.

The First XI and the Seven Dwarfs.
A direct consequence of the above. For several seasons, Klopp’s best team was a thing of terrifying beauty, a perfectly calibrated machine. But look to the bench, and the drop-off was often vertiginous. He had his Fabergé egg of a team, but when one piece broke, he was often forced to patch it up with parts from a much cheaper Timex. The burnout of his key players was not an accident; it was an inevitability.

The Glacial Pace of the Transfer Committee.
While their rivals identified a target and acquired them with the ruthless efficiency of a corporate raiding party, Liverpool’s pursuits often had the drawn-out, will-they-won’t-they quality of a Victorian courtship. There was a caution, a need for the numbers to align perfectly, that meant opportunities were missed. Klopp needed a new part for his engine now, while the committee was still reading the user manual.

Infrastructure over personnel.
Bless them, FSG did some very sensible things. They built a magnificent new Main Stand and a state-of-the-art training complex. Long-term, these are great assets. But payback was needlessly far to swift and there were transfer windows during this construction where the team was crying out for reinforcement, and it felt like Klopp was being asked to conduct a symphony while the owners were busy polishing the concert hall.

Culture Clash Catastrophe.
The Super League fiasco was the headline act, a moment of such tin-eared hubris it united the entire sport in revulsion. It revealed a fundamental misunderstanding of the club’s soul. This was the cold, hard logic of the American franchise model colliding with the messy, socialist, community-based DNA of a club like Liverpool. Klopp, the ultimate man of the people, was left to stand in front of the cameras and effectively apologise for his bosses’ homework. It was a perfect, painful encapsulation of the philosophical divide he straddled for nine years.

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And so.. here we are - Champions in 2025 under Arne Slot, with Klopp's squad in its entirety - bar (the never present) Chiesa.. And we see a much welcomed change in tactic from the above.. What could it be...? What clusterbumphf of a catastroph could it be to witness such a monumental shift in the game?


Could it be the fact they KNOW FULL WELL. - minus Jurgen - the model they lumbered him with....has next to no chance of working.?

[CCTV]

Brighton are a well run club - so fucking what. The reality is our amazing manager wasn’t backed as well as Arteta despite the obvious need - and from 43 points behind us in 2020 they closed the gap in 3 years to be ahead of us 2022/23 and again in 2023/24.

This happened after they dropped the self sustaining model and we continued with the buy to let. It culminated in the best manager around walking early.

“well run” hmm

Laughable… This is the question and it’s one you will have a big job untangling.

How do you think Arteta overtook Klopp? Best manager in the world in situ for years at Anfield - and we took 99 points. So IF Klopp was ‘well backed’. How does Arteta drag a Joke of a side… one half this forum were pissing themselves about - from literally nowhere - to overhauling us to become City’s main rivals for both of Klopp’s last 2 seasons….?

You were also given the players signed over the shared Arteta/Klopp period and asked to detail how they gave Arteta this advantage.
No reply given by you.

In the end Slot won number 20 with the same squad. Which really puzzles you and your position at the start of this season.

Now no more chat with you steveo, without integrity or substance, there's little point asking you to address matters of fact.

[Steveo]

Good luck Dougal… See you on the Kop 😜