Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[dicko1969]

https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_and_the_magic_washing_machine/transcript?language=en#t-152051

Hans lovely fella. Rip

[dicko1969]

Ireland - $69,231.
Netherlands - $51,049.
Sweden - $49,836.
Iceland - $49,136.
Germany - $48,111
Austria - $48,005.

What created Ireland's wealth?

EU

[dicko1969]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_and_social_rankings_of_sovereign_states_ in_Europe

Here you can see in terms of GDP and per capita etc

[CCTV]

Meh, politics has always been a dirty business. If it wasn't money it was power. The nature of the profession. It's a necessary evil.

True, most human affairs including science have this charge too.
I think after ww2 there were sincere attempts at politics. But that has been lost since.

[CCTV]

https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_and_the_magic_washing_machine/transcript?language=en#t-152051

Hans lovely fella. Rip

Hes pretty cool alright , not sure if I've seen this one.

[dicko1969]

Also
Public debt in terms of % GDP
Unemployment
Average wage

Europe is far from being poor

Think about the politics , economics, migration... this is a very long story.

Hours to debate. So much to cover. Historically, Present and Future

[dicko1969]

Hes pretty cool alright , not sure if I've seen this one.

Magic washing machine
And the incredible stats the other

Lots of great interesting videos on Ted

Jamie Oliver... obesity
And Mike Biddle ..... about plastics
Elon Musk and travel under the city

https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_biddle/up-next

Oh and Google driverless car... x2

[dicko1969]

Banks and Greece.

Bailout
Why... because Greeks avoid paying taxes. Over 30 years avoidance.

What happens if a whole country avoids paying taxes... straight forward .. bankruptcy

[dicko1969]

Czech republic.

One of the first countries to benefit from countries like france of outsourcing.

Production in France over 25€ an hour.
In the past Czech republic dirt cheap.

So move production units to Czech republic, Poland, Romania.

Now of course China.

Jobs lost / Jobs gained elsewhere
Poorer European countries become richer, easier for companies to start up business there.

Cheaper products.
More profits for multinationals... globals

[dicko1969]

One thing that has always made me laugh... ironically of course.

People coming into the UK are immigrants.

Yet uk / Brits living abroad are ex pats!

Hum how does that work?

Nothing more annoying than ze English asking " do you speak English?" when abroad.

Fuck off speak their language!!

https://youtu.be/rxUm-2x-2dM

[CCTV]

To be fair CCTV, I think for a large portion of its young people the EU has achieved a number of those things.

There's not been a war between EU countries since its inception, France and Germany are basically married now instead of each other's throats and the union has made it a lot easier to live, study and travel abroad. I've also heard it's pretty good for science.

The trauma of ww2 played a big part. There are a few years of a void without war for example iirc.

War and arms have been exported outside of the region. Theres not a single country that's had a terrorist attack in Europe without having had military intervention abroad.

I'd also argue that the us in terms of a militarily dominant force has played a part in maintaining peace in Europe. Our armies know that a conflict were it to occur would be wiped out against the United states. They've warmongered for sure but they did intervene in Kosovo.

I dont think the argument is robust enough that the eu is essential or necessary for maintaining peace. For example if trade of goods was so important why would they be provoking Britain a nuclear power with tough trade terms.

Also on science, re global warming the yanks have the same carbon footprint as 10,000,000,000 3rd world persons. We are similar with a bigger population and slightly less of a carbon footprint per person.
Whites make up about 12% of the global population and contribute a carbon footprint equal to 20,000,000,000 3rd world persons. It would seem a rather unethical standard for the scientific community to stand over in principle and global wealth terms a 55% share resides in Europe and USA.

We're getting into big areas now though of discussion. I find it odd how we love science produces, like smokers ,but seem unaware of the related effects on health.

Over here we had the Atlantic documentary, very nice cinematography, which shows a terrible management of our finishing stocks. Flat fish have been shown to be a very useful tool in combating climate change and acidity in the ocean but very poor management of the resource.
Similarly a shell to sea documentary showed an estuary protected by EU law and it was illegal for you or I to move one shovel of sand in it, so as to protect salmon stocks.
Shell come in and get permission to dig a 9m? Trench to run a pipe through it. Envrionemental protection meets corporate interests. EU says go for it.

[dicko1969]

Next up

Demographics

Now in the 1970s I'm guessing 2.4 children per family in Blighty.

Recent times , you'll need to check, as low as 1.2 children.

Ageing population, baby boomers, just after the war , living longer putting extreme strains on nhs, services, and so on.

Coupled with the fact that to be a university graduate you need £45k+ to become a nurse, doctor, and so on.

So where do you get the qualified people.

Elsewhere.

Britain needs migration. Always has always will. And especiallywith the above stats.

[CCTV]

Countries such as your Ireland have got richer. 6th in the world.

Czech republic has improved vastly.
Due to Europe.

Reducing our corporate tax rate played it's part. The eu played it part and the peace process played a huge part imo. FDI from the states. We produce lots of pharmaceuticals. Tourism and I'd wager our 80million Americans who claim to be Irish had a part too. 1 in 6 euros comes from corporate tax money being filtered through here iirc today.

It's a big question you're asking. Inflation plays a part, when I was 16 a house was maybe 30,000 when I was 25 twas 300,000. Same house, different property bubble.
We too though have become a more unequal society in terms of financial inequality.

[dicko1969]

Britain population has grown

Year 2000 approx 59million
Year 2018 approx 69million

10 million more people
Net migration 1.5 million

So a crude calculation means the baby boomers and ageing population make up 8.5 million extra people in the UK

[CCTV]

Next up

Demographics

Now in the 1970s I'm guessing 2.4 children per family in Blighty.

Recent times , you'll need to check, as low as 1.2 children.

Ageing population, baby boomers, just after the war , living longer putting extreme strains on nhs, services, and so on.

Coupled with the fact that to be a university graduate you need £45k+ to become a nurse, doctor, and so on.

So where do you get the qualified people.

Elsewhere.

Britain needs migration. Always has always will. And especiallywith the above stats.

A means to an end. Interesting perspective on outsourcing and very true imo.

I saw a remain campaigner talking about how they needed foreigners to fill the NHS. Especially in home help. A 'native' woman in this area was talking about the lack of Brits willing to do these jobs.
The pay and work conditions are not good enough to entice Brits to care for vulnerable people. Another consequence of widening inequality, despite how empathetic people profess themselves to be on social media, there are declining levels of actual empathy per college graduate generation.
Narcissism rises and empathy declines with widening inequality gaps.

I've blurred as much as I can for today.