Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[dicko1969]

Are house prices CCTV

Another point
I remember in the early 2000 people in the UK saying my house worth this or worth that.

It only has better value if you trade your house for another in Bulgaria.

Who benefits from this? Banks. Plain and simple. Banks lend more money you pay more interest.

Second London, half is owned by China.

What I mean here is it is a bit like owning a football club Mr Abramovic . Sure value. Healthy market.

This creates a false, unfair market.

Similarly many tourists, Brits coming to Spain or France overinflated house prices for the local people. They couldn't afford and got driven out of their towns.

[dicko1969]

A means to an end. Interesting perspective on outsourcing and very true imo.

I saw a remain campaigner talking about how they needed foreigners to fill the NHS. Especially in home help. A 'native' woman in this area was talking about the lack of Brits willing to do these jobs.
The pay and work conditions are not good enough to entice Brits to care for vulnerable people. Another consequence of widening inequality, despite how empathetic people profess themselves to be on social media, there are declining levels of actual empathy per college graduate generation.
Narcissism rises and empathy declines with widening inequality gaps.

I've blurred as much as I can for today.

Yep another valid point.
This is the case in other wealthy European countries.
Immigrants (I hate this term) taking our jobs. Bullshit , people too lazy to work.

The average EEA migrant arriving in 2016 will contribute a discounted total of around £78,000 to the UK public finances over his or her lifetime.

Overall, the future net contribution of 2016 arrivals alone to the UK public finances is estimated at £25bn.

Had there been no immigration at all in 2016, the rest of us would have had, over time, to find £25bn, through higher taxes, public service cuts, or higher borrowing.

[Balinkay]

Ok, CC. Gave the inequality video a watch. Very enlightening. Actually remembered I might have seen it years ago. Some points smell somewhat fishy and it's TED, so I automatically approach it with a pinch of salt, but it was very informative. Cheers!

Think it shows pretty clearly that countries with a large healthy and wealthy middle class (not as in rich, which is what I think that means in England, but as in "in the middle"), such as Germany and Denmark do well.

[ianlfc]

The bigger question I want to know is , who are the fucking headers who stand outside the houses of parliament protesting and shouting at reporters ?

[Aldo1988]

The biggest question is who is going to do all the jobs the 'immigrants' did that the lazy dole dwelling wouldnt do?

[Balinkay]

The bigger question I want to know is , who are the fucking headers who stand outside the houses of parliament protesting and shouting at reporters ?

Isn't it people who're annoyed that "No deal" was basically taken off the table as an option.

[dicko1969]

Next up ...

29th of March is d-day

EU want UK out. No extension

[CCTV]

Ok, CC. Gave the inequality video a watch. Very enlightening. Actually remembered I might have seen it years ago. Some points smell somewhat fishy and it's TED, so I automatically approach it with a pinch of salt, but it was very informative. Cheers!

Think it shows pretty clearly that countries with a large healthy and wealthy middle class (not as in rich, which is what I think that means in England, but as in "in the middle"), such as Germany and Denmark do well.

Should be intuitive unless you've lost 1 of the 2 common moral channels !

[Balinkay]

It is, of course. Like I said, in hypothetical scenarios where everyone makes 10 dollars a year and one where 80% make 1000 and 20% make 10000000, I know which one I'd pick. I'm not sure battling income inequality necessitates hating rich people, but rather helping poor ones. In the end of the day, the inequality will decrease either way.

Obviously I'm a fan of a large middle class, I live in a place which is stereotypically known for it!

[Mike Lad]

6. How can you offer a referendum to the people on such a complex issue?

Late to this party but I find this question to be one of the most pertinent.

It was an enormous risk and one that Cameron massively underestimated. Staggering that the Tories are still in power.

If you simplify and polarise every bastard thing then you're going to end up with a confused mess like this. People are firmly in their camps now because they've been encouraged to be tribal about it. It's a tired comparison to draw but it's happened in the US with Trump. Having two options for issues as complex as this, with ramifications as high as this, is fucking mental in my opinion.

[Mike Lad]

Bal, I really do still plan on getting back to you re this whole thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you were mainly interested in how the UK benefits economically from being in the EU? I know it was fucking ages ago. Sorry.

[Balinkay]

No worries mate, good things come to those who wait.

Yes, that was what interested me most. Would like to know how the impasse in Ireland could be solved too, since at the time I didn't know it was quite as big a deal as it is.

[Mike Lad]

at the time I didn't know it was quite as big a deal

Don't feel bad, pretty sure most of the MPs didn't either.

[CCTV]

It is, of course. Like I said, in hypothetical scenarios where everyone makes 10 dollars a year and one where 80% make 1000 and 20% make 10000000, I know which one I'd pick. I'm not sure battling income inequality necessitates hating rich people, but rather helping poor ones. In the end of the day, the inequality will decrease either way.

Obviously I'm a fan of a large middle class, I live in a place which is stereotypically known for it!

I think you are still getting this wrong. Your proposing the situation if I read you right as misleading. Income inequality attached to 10$ a year and not with $1000 and a mill.
Heres a video from Mark Blythe where he touches on a lot of the issues. Even showing how the post ww2 to 1970s era was synonymous with the golden age of income equality and how it created the middle class. Seems you're opposing it due to a preference for a large middle class which it actually created. Hits on dickos Czech republic too and the state of the euro currency with its consequences in an interactive sense. Also detailing the switch in aims from full employment as a goal say to where we are now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqGITb0W4A

It's not about hating the rich, it's about having more equality in the society/system. It benefits the rich too, see Denmark et al where they have lower crime rates.
The rich though and there are billionaires who are currently saying that without addressing the inequality the rich will end up being hated and historically they then get attacked.

Again on your 2 systems redistributing wealth this video shows the 2 systems at play. The golden age of wealth distribution and the rise of the middle classes, versus the age of inequality and the squeezed middle.
Pretty mad how many liberals are so attached to Regan/Thatcher and now beat on the unemployed.

[CCTV]

Yep another valid point.
This is the case in other wealthy European countries.
Immigrants (I hate this term) taking our jobs. Bullshit , people too lazy to work.

The average EEA migrant arriving in 2016 will contribute a discounted total of around £78,000 to the UK public finances over his or her lifetime.

Overall, the future net contribution of 2016 arrivals alone to the UK public finances is estimated at £25bn.

Had there been no immigration at all in 2016, the rest of us would have had, over time, to find £25bn, through higher taxes, public service cuts, or higher borrowing.

I reckon you should watch this video too, it's long but hits a lot of topics and saves me paraphrasing it badly
It shows how the switch to Regan/Thatcher policies have impacted on policy, no longer aiming for full employment, stagnant wages etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqGITb0W4A