Reply With QuoteLet's hope this is trueOriginally Posted by ianlfc
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Let's have the FSG debate again then for Sid
Top earning clubs
Man City 664.9m
Real Madrid 640.7m
Bayern 611.4m
Barcelona 582.1m
The filthy 558m
PSG 556.2m
Liverpool 550.4m
Chelsea 493.1m
It's sensible to have a wage structure, it's sensible to be frugal and careful with your money, but, there does come a point when you look at that list and state the glaringly obvious, there is no reason with our income we can't compete with any other club for any player or raise our pay structure - The sportwashing clubs figures are the figures that include the made up deals to pretend they're conforming to FFP, so City have the squad they have and pay the wages they do based on them allegedly earning 114m more than us a season
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Let's hope this is true
"If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”
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There are plenty of reasons, 19x
Firstly, City and PSG are running an off the books scheme.
Secondly, spending isn’t a sign of good governance - look at Everton.
Thirdly our wage bill is high - higher than the advised level
Fourthly, to my knowledge we spend all our income and, crucially, we spend it well. What Man U do is not exactly admirable.
But the fact that we do actually have the best squad in the world or close to it, is the real point that those pushing back on all the whingeing are making
Rowdy Yates
My warren..? how so? It's a warren in that there are so many ways to analyse recruitment team a's success or financial team b's shrewdness or data analysis teams c's insights. it could go on forever..
What cannot be disputed is that we have seen a dramatic upturn in our fortunes since Klopp arrived at Anfield just a few months after losing 6:1 to Stoke City (yes) and after 9 games of a season where we had managed 1 single win!
I do not suggest that it is ALL down to Klopp either. I, along with many ex pro's and people inside the industry believe he is by far the biggest single reason though. I see a direct parallel with Shankly. He has united the 3 main pillars at ANY club, what Shanks called the "holy trinity". Players, Fans and Manager.
Lijnders speaks about it here.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/10/lijnders-evokes-shanklys-holy-trinity-to-explain-liverpool-fc-harmony/
1. And the Club is MORE important than Klopp, the club is more important than anybody! The club remember - is the fans. it isn't the owners and it isn't the manager. It contains both but is something much much bigger.
2. I can't speak for everyone but nobody is lacking humility when they say we could and should have replaced player a or b. Especially when that view has been shown to have merit.
If I don't insure my car for 6 months and drive around then get away with it - was I smart or lucky?
I guess we have different ways of looking at these things but for me it is simple. Even had we won the quadruple - it would have been wise to have kept or replaced Gini.
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We've got the best keeper - A marquee signing who we paid top wedge for and fought off Real to land
We've got the best CB who we paid top wedge for and fought off other clubs to land, although we were fortunate not many clubs were in the market for a CB that season
Collectively we have the 3 best CBs
We'll have the best full backs when we sign Ramsay
Midfield, a lot of teams have better than we do, we had better than we currently do, like him or loathe him, we were a better side with Gini than we are with Thiago, there are LOTS of better DMs and No6's than Fabinho out there, Rodri, N'Didi, Sangare, Tchouameni, Kante, Hendo, Milner, De Jong, Casemiro, Gueye etc etc etc absolutely loads of them, who unlike Fabinho all have incredibly similar strong traits, physical, technical and in their reading of the game and positioning you would use to define what a top DM has and needs to have
Hendo isn't as good as he was, he knows our system and how it needs to be played incredibly well and has great game intelligence so remains our most influential and important midfield, ideally, we'd want a new No6 to come in while he's still there or thereabouts to learn from him
Keita remains hit and miss, Milner great but can't play several back to back games, Elliot, Jones, Oxlade, not good enough, 2 have time to develop, but we need much better for our first team and with Thiago and Fab and letting Gini go, it's taking the piss to suggest our midfield recruitment has been good, our 2 best midfielders remain Hendo and Milner, the latter being restricted by age and they were here when Jurgen arrived
Up front, Jota, Mane, Bobby No9, sadly Bobby's powers are dwindling and Mane's set to leave. Jota's a very good player, but there are many better out there
LFWD Diaz Jota - Diaz was bought to give us back what Mane offered prior to having COvid, Jota can do a job there in odd games, but he doesn't offer those things and Diaz still has to bring his shooting boots he seems to have left in Portugal to fill the void on our left Mane's issues post covid created, we ideal need another player in that position, that player will most likely be Carvalho
RFWD Mo Minamino Oxlade - Mo is off, this summer or next, wasn't giving everything after Afcon this season, Minamino a good premier league player, not a top one and never will be, good squad player for cup games against lesser opposition, Oxlade will be off - So we need 2 players, 1 to come in this summer for RFWD (433) attacking right mid (4231)
So, no, we don't have the best squad in world football, we're not bringing Camavinga, Tchouameni, Marcelo, Rodrigo, Hazard, Assensio etc etc off the bench, or Grealish, Fernandinho (yes City have/had 2 DM's better than Fab) Gundogan
Last edited by Nineteenx; 8th June 2022 at 04:05 PM.
"If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”
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If we're struggling for CMs we could buy one and take Gini on loan from PSG paying the percentage of his wages we used to
"If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”
Rowdy Yates
Can you hand on heart say we have the best squad in the word? really? We won 2 domestic cups this season. Failed to beat a single team in the top 4 in 6 attempts.
Arguably worse if we look at all domestic comps... we played against top 4 teams 9 times and we managed 1 win against an under strength city. Not having a pop these are the facts.
8 draws out of 9 games.Best squad in the world?. We were relentless in winning the other games and showed real guts but "best squad in the world" ??
We did fantastic in CL group stages - though AC Milan and Porto, seasoned though they are - right now - not group of death material. Lovely ride through the knockouts until we met a proper heavyweight who can still mix it - where we lost.
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Yep, we have nowhere near the best squad in the world, any such talk is ridiculous, best keeper, best CBs and best full backs and that's where it stops, the rest of it needs an awful lot of work as I detailed at length in an earlier post
You also need to be a little careful Steveo, what your highlighting (writing off last season because of the CB issues, is we were a much better side with Gini in it than we are with Thiago in it, as other sides we were beating in 18-20 haven't made significant improvements that would alter our ability to beat them, we've weakened ourselves with poor midfield recruitment and a poor decision to let Gini go and not replace him, Mane not offering what he used to on the left post covid is also a mitigating factor
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Bid submitted. Liverpool make a £70.3m offer for Benfica’s star Darwin Nunez. #lfc #mufc
Diaz>Mane
Nunez>Firmino?
I hope we still have money to sort Salah's contract or get a replacement and a midfielder.....
we should have money to spend..... in the long-run we may have to spend more if FSG are not careful to compete if salah leaves on a free etc, and a aging midfield.
eitherway I think it's clear we need to spend money
Last edited by Kev0909; 8th June 2022 at 04:15 PM.
#FSGOUT
we are liverpool football club, not fucking norwich.
Rowdy Yates
@19..I don't need to be that careful mate...
We wouldn't have got as close to a Quadruple with Gini but no Thiago imo - but I am suggesting we would have hugely benefitted from both - or a Gini replacement. The point is having one doesn't mean you don't need the other.
3 regulars is not enough
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