Originally Posted by
CCTV
I focused on that paragraph as it was the most ridiculous assertion.
I've broken down how it read to me, with a near verbatim summary. So far this summary has not been corrected. It could be perhaps, but it hasn't been.
Again, Page 85 - "I have not claimed that keeping Ox makes us more attractive. That is your interpretation of what I said, or "twisting" if you will.
I have claimed that actions such as, to use my own words, "not freezing players out" will be a factor (only one of many, might I add) in us being an attractive proposition for a player - ie we don't treat our players like crap."
But please, keep saying "verbatim" and "proposition" and numbering points 1, 2 and 3 on a loop. It's all terribly exciting.
Originally Posted by
CCTV
Your quoted proposition has 3 parts
1) the idea that we should freeze Ox out is introduced, some may say we should, you argue against this,
(Is this an unfair twisting of your words ?)
2) another idea is introduced, we don't generally freeze out players..
(Is this an unfair twisting of your words ?)
Not discussed this, I think its a bit of a stretch, but I get your idea here that youth players are given more time here,
Though Trent didn't need the extra time. Top players rarely do, there are late developers. Most of our youth players end up frozen out.
With senior players we look to sell players and I'd argue a few were frozen out effectively already.
We only look to push out unwanted players in the main.
3) this not freezing players out, is an advantage in landing targets.
(Is this an unfair twisting of your words ?)
1 You directly cite Ox, in freezing out or not,
2 Propose not freezing out players is a thing we do generally
3 And this is probably a factor in landing players
This 3 step summary of your proposition, is taken from a direct quote, nestled together in one paragraph and not seperated out over pages.
I'd argue that having players like Ox & Keita whose reported wages near 300kpw between them,
and losing these players on free transfers next summer which seems likely now, a net loss in terms of transfer spending,
when their contributions have not met their expectations to date,
Is not an example of how we entice players to the club for me.
You might note where I said playerS in that one little bit of my 8-paragraph post that you're obsessed with when I said -
"Some may say we should have "shown Ox the door" for example but the fact that we generally don't freeze players out is probably one of the factors that makes lads want to come to us in the first place, same with giving younger lads a chance"
I was talking about a good dressing room, where the Manager generally doesn't boot lads out and players get a fair chance - one of many factors, some bigger than others, that would make joining us appealing.
You however presented it as a key reason for a target to potentially land, focusing on specific lads (such as Ox) with sardonic comments such as "I'm sure when Nunez signed it was because we have Ox and Naby both potentially leaving next summer as free agents, and rarely contributing" and adding questions like "how has keeping Ox made us a more attractive club for the players we want to add?" as if I was genuinely suggesting that the retaining of Ox in the squad was in-and-of-itself a key factor in player acquisition to belittle my comment.
Then repeatedly asked how you have misrepresented my point. Which was explained on page 85 - oh and on page 86, I quoted myself when you again prompted for an explanation (that you'd already been given) as follows -
""I have not claimed that keeping Ox makes us more attractive. That is your interpretation of what I said, or "twisting" if you will.
I have claimed that actions such as, to use my own words, "not freezing players out" will be a factor (only one of many, might I add) in us being an attractive proposition for a player - ie we don't treat our players like crap."
Page 85.
Your discrepancy my liege."
This really is incredibly boring. Verbatim. Proposition. Summary. 1, 2, 3.
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