Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[Nineteenx]

Thought you didn't like him?

Not hugely but Hendo the man behind our title win and best ever football under Jurgen will know if he's up to it

[ianlfc]

Nothing new though - the club spends what it generates.

In the last calendar year we have spent on Diaz, Núñez, Gakpo, Carvalho and Ramsay - that's 5 players with an outlay of £150m-ish or so of outlay - plus the relevant wages.

I think we're genuinely "all-in" on Bellingham and see value in the idea that he might be with us for 10 years (if he joins) or 4-6 years with an eventual sale to a club like Real Madrid. It's perfectly financially realistic to acquire Bellingham even within our (frugal) model if we pay for him in instalments and let a few lads off the wage bill.

Firmino alone is on around £9m-per-year and the new stand is set to generate £11m-per-year.

Remove Ox (£6.2m-per-year)
Remove Keita (£6.2m-per-year)
Remove Firmino (£9m-per-year)
New stand generates income (approx £11m-per-year)

Across one year there you have "found" £32.4m - Bellingham could cost £130m or so and the above would cover about 25% of the fee.

This is before weighing up letting go of lads like Adrian, Arthur, Milner.

This is before weighing up sales, such as Phillips or a more reluctant sale like Kelleher.

Bellingham is 100% affordable. Whether or not he will come is a different matter.

As a general aside, a lot of Liverpool fans on socials are "impressed" with Arsenal's business and applauding Kroenke. Arsenal recently paid off a loan by taking out another loan.....abd business is being funded against predicted future income.

Not saying that is "wrong" and that ours is "right" - I think both models are subject to criticism and can absolutely be improved upon.

That's all admiral, but in the reality of the football World you have to strengthen while at the top, Speculate to accumulated especially when you have a aging squad. What ever way you want to put it, you also need a big squad to allow for injuries.
Its all well and good having a shining new stand with lovely food facilities but you won't get the demand for it if you don't challenge seriously for honours. And there's a big chance the best manager in the world could think "fuck for this" and jump ship as there's no chance competing long term with teams who spend big year in year out.

[fagin]

Not sure if relevant but was reading Jaimie Carraghers take on LFC injuries,

he said " Medically wise we have had a bad season in terms of injuries.
Sometimes that can be down to bad luck and sometimes that can be down to the way injuries are looked after,who is involved.
They have not replaced a doctor (Jim Moxon) who left in the summer,whether that is a problem or not,he is not sure.
Aside of the really bad luck they need to sort that medical department out one way or another"......reported on Skysports.

[teesred]

That's all admiral, but in the reality of the football World you have to strengthen while at the top, Speculate to accumulated especially when you have a aging squad. What ever way you want to put it, you also need a big squad to allow for injuries.
Its all well and good having a shining new stand with lovely food facilities but you won't get the demand for it if you don't challenge seriously for honours. And there's a big chance the best manager in the world could think "fuck for this" and jump ship as there's no chance competing long term with teams who spend big year in year out.

Absolutely. No good being sustainable if you sink in the long term which is where this current model is heading.
They've got where they are due to Klopps ability to get more out of less. I genuinely think it's time they sold up and moved on before we get left behind completely.

[Steveo]

Not hugely but Hendo the man behind our title win and best ever football under Jurgen will know if he's up to it

Bit harsh imo…

Ok he has been surrounded by far better players, but has worked his socks of to make up the difference.

Calling him a “football”… that’s just not fair..

[Insidious]

That's all admiral, but in the reality of the football World you have to strengthen while at the top, Speculate to accumulated especially when you have a aging squad. What ever way you want to put it, you also need a big squad to allow for injuries.
Its all well and good having a shining new stand with lovely food facilities but you won't get the demand for it if you don't challenge seriously for honours.

I don't disagree - I'd always want to add quality players to the club. I'd personally always be looking at the 18-24 bracket and I would see us be much more ruthless about moving lads on to help ensure that the squad doesn't collectively age too much to begin with.

When we were at the top however, we took a different approach - we rewarded a lot of players in our squad with large salary rises, presumably to hang onto our core so as to prevent any bumps along the road - ironic when we have hit a deep pothole - and spent the extra on renovation and enlarging of the ground - which will pay us back further down the line despite our current malaise. Staff clearly didn't expect any set-back to be THIS bad (certainly has been compounded by injuries) but we could have prepped the season differently.

In terms of balancing our budget, we have (in my view) biased too much towards wages over transfers. If we compare to Arsenal this season (picking them as they're League leaders and not an Oil Club) they have -

2 players on £200k or more per-week (Jesus/Partey) to our 3 (Salah/Van Dijk/Thiago)

2 players on £150-200k per-week (Zinchenko/Pepe) to our 4 (Trent/Firmino/Fabinho/Allison)

4 players on £100-150k per-week (White/Xhaka/Odegaard, Nketiah) to our 8 (Henderson/Jota/Núñez/Keita/Ox/Melo/Matip/Robertson

Addressing this imbalance between fees and wages would go a long way, so we will need to make the most of it and needless to say we need to get cracking this Summer, particularly in midfield.

[Kop On Portugal]

Not sure if relevant but was reading Jaimie Carraghers take on LFC injuries,

he said " Medically wise we have had a bad season in terms of injuries.
Sometimes that can be down to bad luck and sometimes that can be down to the way injuries are looked after,who is involved.
They have not replaced a doctor (Jim Moxon) who left in the summer,whether that is a problem or not,he is not sure.
Aside of the really bad luck they need to sort that medical department out one way or another"......reported on Skysports.

And no one can't argue with that. Jamie tell the truth here again. Our medical staff need to be sorted asap.

On another point, we are in rush to be sold, we have to be sold for any petro state, we need a serious injection os cash on our club or we will be on another year's like between 2009 and 2013

[teesred]

And no one can't argue with that. Jamie tell the truth here again. Our medical staff need to be sorted asap.

On another point, we are in rush to be sold, we have to be sold for any petro state, we need a serious injection os cash on our club or we will be on another year's like between 2009 and 2013

Agree. Said yesterday it almost feels like the wilderness years 09-13. Not quite that bad but there's little cause for optimism at the moment. We look like a team and club on a downward trajectory if you remove the staggering profits (which nobody can seem to see where they are ending up).
It'll be hard to sell Bellingham the project if they're not funding a rebuild in other areas too. It looks to me and a few others like FSGs business model has come to the end of the line, their luck has run out.

It's a sad fact that we do need to be acquired by a mega billionaire to compete going forward but it's either that or we sink into mid table obscurity albeit with our morals in tact. They don't win trophies or have you compete at the top though.

[Steveo]

19 asked a very good question.. seems to have been lost in all the talk..

"We're now earning more than the filthy, who have huge debt repayments each year and have continually spent far more on managers transfers and wages than us

Just where the FUCK is all our revenue..."

Add all the above to the narrative around them having a crumbling stadium (although still worth more than ours) and the fact they have won ZIP for years...


WTF is going on? Where is the money?

[Steveo]

Agree. Said yesterday it almost feels like the wilderness years 09-13. Not quite that bad but there's little cause for optimism at the moment. We look like a team and club on a downward trajectory if you remove the staggering profits (which nobody can seem to see where they are ending up).
It'll be hard to sell Bellingham the project if they're not funding a rebuild in other areas too. It looks to me and a few others like FSGs business model has come to the end of the line, their luck has run out.

It's a sad fact that we do need to be acquired by a mega billionaire to compete going forward but it's either that or we sink into mid table obscurity albeit with our morals in tact. They don't win trophies or have you compete at the top though.

If we look at NESV/FSG's tenure then - "the wilderness years".. coming after being ranked the best team in Europe (destroying Real by 5 goals to nil over 2 legs) in 2009 and taking United's strongest side to the last 2 games of the season - including a 1:4 drubbing at Old Trafford! ... There is only Rodgers wonder year with Luis - that stands between total shyte and Jurgen Klopp's transformation - turning doubters into believers....

in short....7 years of Jurgen is all that separates us from what we achieved and where we are today!

I would put that to anyone questioning the manager.