Look at yer own tables 'n' explain how giving Klopp mair dosh wid hae led tae mair success.
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Rowdy Yates
Any analysis that highlights how poor our owners have been, is deemed "poor" by Henry's apologists.
We can look at 10 years - we can look at 5 years. It makes no difference. On the infrastructure and the playing staff F$G have been small timing it in ownership of the nations most successful club.
F$G owe Klopp a huge debt.
First Team
Look at yer own tables 'n' explain how giving Klopp mair dosh wid hae led tae mair success.
Rowdy Yates
There is no need.
Deep down…. even a knob-Jockey knows that had Klopp been afforded more of “the risks” he has cited as absent - we win significantly more.
Koala tea
When fsg sold melwood to a social housing body you were aghast it wasn't left as a greenfield site.Originally Posted by Steveo
When that decision was reversed I heard about it from Bob on here.
When you commented you weren't happy it was being left as a greenfield site, you seemed upset and were speculating they'd make even more money from women's football.
Had fsg built a brand new bernebeua like bowl, you probably moan about the carbon footprint of the build or how it would make fsg more money.
Klopp considers himself lucky to be at Liverpool. His success isn't about money and he hasn't been sacked as he would have been at many of our rival clubs. We are lucky to have him of course and I'm expecting 2 decades minimum.
He's not beyond criticism. Just look at last season, a wee tweak at the end and we nearly made top4. Season before away v city and v real in the final.. 2 massive games we failed to win.. maybe a wee tweak makes a big difference.
You can always point to net spending. But even in net spending no more you can always wheel and deal.
For me last summer & season were the first failures of Klopp & fsg.
In the here and present, Klopp looks rejuvenated and we are beating city away tomorrow to go top of the league
First Team
There is a need fir clarity. Yer argument isnae making any sense according tae th' data ye posted.
Rowdy Yates
When fsg sold melwood to a social housing body you were aghast it wasn't left as a greenfield site.
When that decision was reversed I heard about it from Bob on here.
When you commented you weren't happy it was being left as a greenfield site, you seemed upset and were speculating they'd make even more money from women's football.
Had fsg built a brand new bernebeua like bowl, you probably moan about the carbon footprint of the build or how it would make fsg more money.
Klopp considers himself lucky to be at Liverpool. His success isn't about money and he hasn't been sacked as he would have been at many of our rival clubs. We are lucky to have him of course and I'm expecting 2 decades minimum.
He's not beyond criticism. Just look at last season, a wee tweak at the end and we nearly made top4. Season before away v city and v real in the final.. 2 massive games we failed to win.. maybe a wee tweak makes a big difference.
You can always point to net spending. But even in net spending no more you can always wheel and deal.
For me last summer & season were the first failures of Klopp & fsg.
In the here and present, Klopp looks rejuvenated and we are beating city away tomorrow to go top of the league
Melwood was an opportunistic shite show mate.. and most who are aware of the details will say the same. Sold to developers - 'to flatten the site and build 160 high-end family homes'. Ultimately - only after multiple appeals and demonstrations AND second raft of developers - Torus - couldn't get what they wanted that the women now have. Don't see what is to defend F$G with here apart from a huge amount of spin.
Even in this watered down version of events it is clear to see what really motivates them to act and then - when faced with determined opposition - as with Season Ticket price hikes and Trademarking names - back track.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/08/fsgs-thankless-task-amid-melwood-sale-and-liverpool-trademark-disputes/
But enough on the weak work on the infrastructure and move to a training ground few players enjoy.
On to Jurgen and his "backing"..
Yours seems to be the "logic" Joetan highlighted to perfection and WHY it got under the noses of a few.
The better Klopp does with less...the more is asked of him. If he doesn't perform a miracle - or comes within a whisker it is his fault OR the officials cheating us.
I honestly believe for some of you - if he was managing to stay away from the jab in a boxing match spinning plates with his left with the right tied behind his back - you and your ilk would say - see - he is doing just fine... Doesn't need anymore to compete.. Then in round 5 when he gets caught - you'd say.. That's on him. Didn't block the jab..
Instead of being real and accepting the very reasonable (one that most neutral fans accept) view that with better backing - missing out on titles by a single point x2 need not have come to pass. Nor - perhaps would we have needed the last day of the title defence season to make it into the CL and save us from spending 2 out of the last 3 seasons outside in the cold..
Your last line..
'In the here and present, Klopp looks rejuvenated and we are beating city away tomorrow to go top of the league.'
I can dig that.. Klopp looks invigorated and the result tomorrow - that is something we all are hoping for.
Last edited by Steveo; 24th November 2023 at 05:03 PM.
First Team
Mibbie ye'll explain how the clubs that hae spent far mair than us, in th' timeframes ye chose, havent won as much. Huv a go that, wi'oot pinning it all oan th' manager.
Rowdy Yates
Oh yes.. let's just forget the manager shall we..Bless...You are a hoot lad. And United Are shyte right.. but finished higher than us 2x out of 3 since our title win. Arsenal where nowhere until they got a manager in place and they too finished higher than us last year. Spurs made one CL final on a similar net spend to us. Spurs are where we would be minus Klopp.
Don't you forget it either Laddie..
First Team
Th' hyperbole doesn't wirk wi' me lad. Ah didnt say forgoat th' manager and ye know it. Let's agree Klopp is daein' a brilliant jab 'n' pairk that fur a minute.Oh yes.. let's just forget the manager shall we..
Don't you forget it either Laddie..
Back tae yer figures, in th' timelines that ye chose. Yer greetin' aboot oor spend yit 5 teams hae spent far mair than us 'n' 4 o' thaim hae won nothing. Sae how dae ye think throwing mair dosh at Klopp guarantees mair sucess whin yer ain figures contradict that?
Rowdy Yates
Not my figures bimbo. Recognised net spends of the relative clubs across the last 10 years.
Now... after 456 posts - starting from January 2023 - and not 1 of them of any use.... Either write in English OR do us all a favour.. take your tedious, daft Scot/glish accent and fuck off.
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